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2011 NBA Playoffs |OT3| Heat Lifelongs Assemble

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reilo said:
I think Dirk, Hakeem, Kobe, Jordan, and so forth have proven time and time again that age doesn't matter when you win -- experience does.
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Yeah, I think you're confused:

Lebron's team has about 7+ years to grab 12 rings and 17 finals appearances between them, also when you include players in this era who might just surpass Bosh in the near future (or already have) like Blake.
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And Trax isn't saying Lebron's era is excused because they had to play Shaq, specifically. Their excused because they were rooks playing against an era in its prime, just how Shaq didn't get his rings until Jordan retired.
 
Fatalah said:
Sorry to interrupt ya'll, but Chris Bosh is the best basketball player of all times.
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Best Heat player of all time for sure, he's had two 30 point games in this series.

He has some of the best role players playing with him though.
 
thekad said:
Yeah, I think you're confused:
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If you give a monkey a typewriter and infinite time, they will write a Shakespeare play.

But go ahead and ignore my point that by this time in their careers -- spanning 25,000 minutes played -- the truly great already won multiple rings between them.

If your argument hinges upon that Lebron and co will win once all of the great teams are done for, then lulz. They've had plenty of opportunities in the past three or four seasons to do so already. Outside of Wade, they came up empty-handed -- facing the exact same competition as Dirk, Kobe, Shaq, Duncan and Kidd.
 
reilo said:
If you give a monkey a typewriter and infinite time, they will write a Shakespeare play.

But go ahead and ignore my point that by this time in their careers -- spanning 25,000 minutes played -- the truly great already won multiple rings between them.

If your argument hinges upon that Lebron and co will win once all of the great teams are done for, then lulz. They've had plenty of opportunities in the past three or four seasons to do so already. Outside of Wade, they came up empty-handed -- facing the exact same competition as Dirk, Kobe, Shaq, Duncan and Kidd.
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Also, as an addendum to the "entering their prime" counter-argument, Trax and thekad must believe that Wade, Bosh, Lebron, et al will become even better than they already are within the next few seasons.

To that, again, I say: lulz.
 
reilo said:
Also, as an addendum to the "entering their prime" counter-argument, Trax and thekad must believe that Wade, Bosh, Lebron, et al will become even better than they already are within the next few seasons.

To that, again, I say: lulz.
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With their work ethic and videotape editor coach, I don't think we've seen the best they have to offer yet.

Not close.
 
Entered prime = Hitting peak, ie they'll be playing at this level for 5-7 years. And some (Rose, Rondo, Durant, Blake, Love) have yet to reach it.
 
thekad said:
Actually, I said their just entering their prime and some (Rose, Rondo, Durant, Blake, Love) have yet to reach it. Entered prime = Hitting peak, ie they'll be playing at this level for 5-7 years.
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They've already entered their prime several years ago -- that's what you fail to (or choose not to) understand. The number of minutes a player plays in their career has more to do with when their level of competitive play drops off than their age.
 
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
LeBron has four years left after this one.
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To say that Lebron didn't enter in his prime in 2008 is just... stupid. I have no other way to put it. Same with Bosh, same with Wade, same with CP3. Dwight might be the only exception but that has more to do with the position he plays and I'd argue he entered his prime in 2009. Even then, he's logging heavy minutes.
 
reilo said:
They've already entered their prime several years ago -- that's what you fail to (or choose not to) understand. The number of minutes a player plays in their career has more to do with when their level of competitive play drops off than their age.
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Jesus...

Kobe coming into 2004 (26): 22k
Garnett coming into 2002 (26): 23k
Dirk coming into 2005 (27): 22k
 
thekad said:
Jesus...

Kobe coming into 2005 (26): 22k
Garnett coming into 2003 (26): 23k
Dirk coming into 2006 (27): 22k
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Heh.

Why are you using 22,000 minutes and not 25,000 like I was?

Is it because it ruins your argument? Is it because three years after each player hit 25,000 minutes that they were on a severe downturn productively? That couldn't be it! thekad would never be intellectually dishonest!
 
reilo said:
Thinking this over, the big problem I have with Trax's era versus era argument is that he completely ignores that Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, Kidd, and Dirk all went up against each other to win those rings and get to those finals.

But somehow we are supposed to excuse Lebron, Wade (lesser extent), Dwight, CP3, and Bosh because they couldn't do what the others did? Which is beat the best teams in the playoffs to get to those rings?

Sorry. Duncan had to go through Kobe and Shaq to get his ring and vice versa. Dirk and Kidd competed against them, too, to get to the finals.

Just because they didn't face the Bulls, Rockets, Jazz, and Blazers of the 90s doesn't mean they didn't face some excellent teams on the way to the top.

If Lebron and co couldn't do it against Kobe's era, doesn't that just prove my point that that era was better? Did they not face the same competition these past three or four seasons?

Also, I just realized that in none of this we never discussed the Celtics nor Pistons this past decade.

I think Dirk, Hakeem, Kobe, Jordan, Shaq and so forth have proven time and time again that age doesn't matter when you win -- experience does.

If Lebron and co wanted to be better and more experienced when they came into the league, they should have gone to college. Instead they went chasing checks.
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They were young players and or rookies going up against a former era's players in their prime.

Everyone in your team 1 went up against EACHOTHER to win rings. Half of whom came into the league when the former era was ending and the other half couldn't win anything when they were young players. Notably Shaq.(bird,magic,Jordan, thomas, ewing, etc.. etc..)

It is not a far comparison. Of course they are going to have tons of rings and finals appearances. They were the best players in the league for slightly more then a decade. They played EACHOTHER. If they were not going to win the rings, who would? You also have hindsight to pick and choose the players you want on that team. If you picked that team 10 years ago, it may looks very different.

The players of this era, are just getting started. A players prime starts around 24/25 and lasts until they are in their 30's. They all still have a lot of winning to do.

How about we come back to this in 10 years. We will see how many championships are racked up between them all.

Also, minutes don't mean anything. Age means everything. Just sit back and look at your argument, it doesn't make sense.

If I could go 10 years into the future, and pick all the players that were going to win rings and make finals appearances between 2011 and 2021 I would look fucking cool to.
 
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D-Wade is such a damn liar. Put his kids to bed, then went shooting at the gym? Put his kids to bed? Himself? Fuck outta here.

And that Heat tunnels hot was so different from the Bulls one. The Bulls actually seem like good friends, while the Heat just seem like people who hate being around each other.
 
reilo said:
Heh.

Why are you using 22,000 minutes and not 25,000 like I was?

Is it because it ruins your argument? Is it because three years after each player hit 25,000 minutes that they were on a severe downturn productively? That couldn't be it! thekad would never be intellectually dishonest!
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I chose the years they, imo, entered their primes... Are you dense? KG, Dirk, Kobe all played heavy minutes right as they were entering their primes. I didn't even include playoff minutes (4500, 1200, 3200)
 
Blackface said:
They were young players and or rookies going up against a former era's players in their prime.

Everyone in your team 1 went up against EACHOTHER to win rings. Half of whom came into the league when the former era was ending and the other half couldn't win anything when they were young players. Notably Shaq.(bird,magic,Jordan, thomas, ewing, etc.. etc..)

It is not a far comparison. Of course they are going to have tons of rings and finals appearances. They were the best players in the league for slightly more then a decade. They played EACHOTHER. If they were not going to win the rings, who would? You also have hindsight to pick and choose the players you want on that team. If you picked that team 10 years ago, it may looks very different.

The players of this era, are just getting started. A players prime starts around 24/25 and lasts until they are in their 30's. They all still have a lot of winning to do.

How about we come back to this in 10 years. We will see how many championships are racked up between them all.

Also, minutes don't mean anything. Age means everything. Just sit back and look at your argument, it doesn't make sense.

If I could go 10 years into the future, and pick all the players that were going to win rings and make finals appearances between 2011 and 2021 I would look fucking cool to.
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Sure, or you can choose to accept that by the time each and every one of those players played 25,000 minutes, they had about a dozen more rings than Lebron, Wade, and Bosh? Let's ignore that fact. They've had plenty of opportunities.

Unless 2008-2010 doesn't count -- oh wait, neither do back-to-back 60-win seasons, of course.

thekad said:
I chose the years they, imo, entered their primes... Are you dense? KG, Dirk, Kobe all played heavy minutes right as they were entering their primes.
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So you concede that Lebron is already several years into his prime then? Because you are completely contradicting yourself right now and running all over the place with your argument.
 
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
Going by the age for when players decline instead of minutes, T-Mac should still be in his prime.
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Chris Paul has a decade left as an elite point guard, obviously. Chris Bosh is totally going to be better two seasons from now than in 2009. Dwyane Wade? Forget about it! Just wait until he's in his prime.
 
Here we go again GAF. I haven't really seen anyone talking shit about tue Heat being overrated, there was no way they would beat Boston, now the Bulols, etc.
 
UltimaKilo said:
Here we go again GAF. I haven't really seen anyone talking shit about tue Heat being overrated, there was no way they would beat Boston, now the Bulols, etc.
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I still can't believe Heat fans are trying to turn the Heat into the underdogs of the year. If you guys don't have a dynasty for the next five years, it will be considered a disappointed.
 
MikeTyson said:
"At least next time he shows up in the post-game wearing a backpack, we know Durant is indeed going on a trip." I lol'd
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The TNT photo should be epic on that fishing trip.

NomarTyme said:
Sager with a stupid ass question.
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I hate the Sager interviews. The one where they grab the coach to start the 4th in a meaningful game is always the worst. 9 times out of 10, the opposing team is scoring while the coach isn't watching.
 
reilo said:
Chris Paul has a decade left as an elite point guard, obviously. Chris Bosh is totally going to be better two seasons from now than in 2009. Dwyane Wade? Forget about it! Just wait until he's in his prime.
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Wade is already in his prime.

You go by age. Injury of course can ruin a career. Like it did with Roy.
 
alr1ghtstart said:
beats...does every fucking nba player have them?
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Yes, because every NBA player is an idiot and likes to waste money on inferior products to look "cool".

They fall for the same marketing shit everyone else does.
 
reilo said:
So you concede that Lebron is already several years into his prime then? Because you are completely contradicting yourself right now and running all over the place with your argument.
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Christ, you're dumb...

I just showed you that heavy minutes (Kobe had 27k going into his prime in 2004) are not nearly as important as age. Age is the better predictor for "entering one's prime."
 
SoulPlaya said:
I still can't believe Heat fans are trying to turn the Heat into the underdogs of the year. If you guys don't have a dynasty for the next five years, it will be considered a disappointed.
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You're right. I'm just pointing out the stupidity of those who said the best team in the NBA had "zero" chance of beating the Celtics or the Bulols. Much less those who said the big three, only now entering their prime, would never join forces in Miami.

Underdogs? No way. I always thought we would win the Championship. I still do.
 
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