ThoseDeafMutes
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Embargo ends at midnight EST, 6am Euro time.
So like 4-5 hours?
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2016+ Gaming Laptop Thread: Embracing Pascal's Wafer (Please Read OP)
- Thread starter K.Jack
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So like 4-5 hours?
SwiftDeath
Member
Never mind, confused Nvidia's embargo with MSI's countdown
Officerrob
Banned
I'm excited to see what MSI has
midasmulligan
Member
They said the 15th of august, sooooooo it looks like 9pm west coast..I wonder when the other manufacturers will show their hand
ss_lemonade
Member
I don't remember what exactly I have on the desktop, not near it at the moment to check. All I know is I got a WD Blue a few years ago as recommended by the PC thread here, to act as a secondary drive. The GS60 has a Hitachi HGST 7200 rpm drive. Guess I'll just try benchmarking the two, never thought of doing that.
Oh shit, right when I get off work, nice. Will be playing Heroes of the Storm/Overwatch on my 2014 MacBook toaster while impatiently waiting for news! Hope we get some US prices/models as well, considering it's coming out of Gamescom.
fatigues_gasolini
Member
Same here. My current MSI is maybe the best laptop I've ever owned. Will be sticking with them barring really bad pricing or something else weird.
Its happening
Sager laptops are live
http://www.xoticpc.com/custom-gamin...!/dir=asc&limit=100&no_cache=true&order=price
Sager laptops are live
http://www.xoticpc.com/custom-gamin...!/dir=asc&limit=100&no_cache=true&order=price
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphi...GTX-1080-1070-and-1060-Enter-Gaming-Notebooks
PCPer has some stuff up
PCPer has some stuff up
midasmulligan
Member
Aorus up, now when can we buy them?
Unknown Soldier
Member
This performance is insane. Is it too early to call it literally revolutionary for laptops? I mean, we're talking within a few percentage points of the desktop 1080, 1070, and 1060. If you told me that this year laptops would launch which offered almost the performance of the highest end desktop GPU in the same year, I would have said you were crazy.
I'm thinking about throwing down a grand plus change for a laptop with a 1060M which can nail 1080p/60 gaming to the wall. It would be um a bit of an upgrade from the 640M in my current 4-years old laptop.
Fun fact: the 1070M actually has more CUDA cores than the desktop 1070. It's a different harvested die, but more CUDA cores means it's the closest in performance to it's desktop counterpart of the 3 GPUs launching today.
Fun fact 2: the 1080M uses the same GDDR5X memory as it's desktop counterpart, clocked at the same frequency. If you have the dosh, there now exists a laptop which is suitable for 4K gaming. Try to remain calm.
I'm thinking about throwing down a grand plus change for a laptop with a 1060M which can nail 1080p/60 gaming to the wall. It would be um a bit of an upgrade from the 640M in my current 4-years old laptop.
Fun fact: the 1070M actually has more CUDA cores than the desktop 1070. It's a different harvested die, but more CUDA cores means it's the closest in performance to it's desktop counterpart of the 3 GPUs launching today.
Fun fact 2: the 1080M uses the same GDDR5X memory as it's desktop counterpart, clocked at the same frequency. If you have the dosh, there now exists a laptop which is suitable for 4K gaming. Try to remain calm.
midasmulligan
Member
Dammit, 1080p or 3k for the 1070?
SwiftDeath
Member
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
Possibly waiting for Kaby Lake, like the Surface range.
1060 in the XPS15 chassis would be orgasmic. The CPU will be holding it back in some games for sure
ss_lemonade
Member
I think its a pretty crazy leap, with the GPUs being just a stone throw's away from their big brother counterparts. I mean, a 970m for example while fast still doesn't come close to something like a non ti desktop 780. A 1060m on the other hand should come out being faster than a desktop 980 (or at least equal). That's like jumping up 2 generations lol
AnimeFantasy
Member
Been debating it... just waiting for everyone's laptops to actually show up for purchase and not just spec sheets
SwiftDeath
Member
lol MSI jumped their own countdown clock by 12 hours or so
https://gaming.msi.com/promotion/alter-your-reality
All their models are ripe for the ogling
New Ghost with 6GB 1060m
https://www.msi.com/Laptop/GS63VR-6RF-Stealth-Pro.html#hero-overview
But I think the real interesting ones will be the models that have the new G-sync panels if they're actually good of course
Some of the dominator models have it
https://www.msi.com/Laptop/GT73VR-6RE-Titan.html#hero-overview
Edit: Wait they're not advertising G-sync? I.E. it doesn't have G-sync?
https://gaming.msi.com/promotion/alter-your-reality
All their models are ripe for the ogling
New Ghost with 6GB 1060m
https://www.msi.com/Laptop/GS63VR-6RF-Stealth-Pro.html#hero-overview
But I think the real interesting ones will be the models that have the new G-sync panels if they're actually good of course
Some of the dominator models have it
https://www.msi.com/Laptop/GT73VR-6RE-Titan.html#hero-overview
Edit: Wait they're not advertising G-sync? I.E. it doesn't have G-sync?
Possibly waiting for Kaby Lake, like the Surface range.
1060 in the XPS15 chassis would be orgasmic. The CPU will be holding it back in some games for sure
Speaking of. I wonder what custom GPU the Book2 will get. Hm. If they both end up waiting for Kaby Lake I may just end up going with that one.
ss_lemonade
Member
Is this the successor to the gs60?
SwiftDeath
Member
Yes and if I'm reading this part right:
They managed to make it 2.2MM thinner and maybe a shade lighter. Actual specs page seems horribly off so I'll trust the actual marketing materials for now
UltraGunner
Banned
I'm thinking of getting the Sager NP8152-S with the 1060, but would the i7 6700hq severely bottleneck performance?
ss_lemonade
Member
Wat! That is lighter and they even packed a larger battery (8 cell 75Wh vs a 6 cell 47ish Wh?). Hmmm....
SwiftDeath
Member
Linustechtips video states new razerblade model (the one that previously has a 970m) will have a 1060(m) if anyone was curious
Also same video states laptop cards should be within 10% performance of desktop version
HOLY CRAP
Also same video states laptop cards should be within 10% performance of desktop version
HOLY CRAP
Been debating it... just waiting for everyone's laptops to actually show up for purchase and not just spec sheets
Looking at Sager myself.. The 1070 seems to be the one, though I'm tempted to go 1080.
Interesting note: I configured a 17" 1070 on both Sager and xoticpc, and the Sager official site comes out to be almost $370 cheaper. It's usually the other way around (xoticpc is cheaper). Sager $1939 ( PS Matte Display with G-SYNC, clearly labeled) Vs xoticpc $2356, but why?
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
Whatever the successor to the 940m is I guess. 30-35w TDP range isn't a lot to work with. The old rumour was that the 1040m was going to be ~960m level power (i.e. Desktop 750ti), which would be quite good if true. But I've heard nothing about Pascal entry level stuff lately.
Chiggs
Gold Member
Yep, this is a game changer.
Unknown Soldier
Member
The 1070M has more cores than the 1070 and gets within 5-6% of the desktop version.
If you think about it, this means the laptop with 1070M can now have the same performance as last year's desktop 980 Ti.
Yeah, this is the real revolution. Laptop PC gaming is now without compromises, almost the same as desktop PC gaming, though of course still much more expensive but that will never change.
midasmulligan
Member
Yeah, unfortunately it appears if I get what I want, it's going to cost me around 3k for a 1070
Think i'll be fine with my laptop's 980m since it's mostly going to be used for editing/1080 gaming at best but it's nice to know these new laptops will have some serious power in them. That said, i'm curious: Does Clevo offer services to upgrade a laptop's graphics card were one wanting to upgrade it in the future, assuming the laptop is compatible?
Sr Kitsune
Member
Any word when will MSI release its MXM upgrade?
I think it's 980M to 1070?
I think it's 980M to 1070?
ss_lemonade
Member
Microsoft/intel/nvidia/whoever still need to get their shit together though and fix the diagonal screen tearing issue that's been plaguing certain games in fullscreen for years now. Also, are we finally getting DSR support now?
SwiftDeath
Member
Last thing before bed but that same linustechtip video said 120 Hz gsync panels will only come in 1080p and 1440p if anyone was curious. Makes sense to be honest
Yep now is a good time to jump in
Yep now is a good time to jump in
SolarPowered
Member
I disagree. I did a little bit of number crunching, and the prices are roughly the same if you are starting from scratch.
The current 1070 trims are retailing for $2500 CAD, but include everything you could want like OS, monitor (obviously; but G-sync), keyboard, etc... You just have to buy the mouse.
On the other hand, if you had to start from scratch with a PC, there's so many things to buy: SSD, OS, CPU, HD, RAM, cooling, monitor, case, keyboard, mouse, motherboard, GPU, PSU.
I suppose if you have a recent build, you can salvage some stuff like the monitor and case.
But for me, my gaming PC is almost 8 years old and I don't really want to re-use most of it except perhaps the case & PSU. Everything else has to get replaced....
I think my next build will be a laptop (maybe Volta, maybe Einstein) when I stop being poor as dirt.
Unknown Soldier
Member
I feel this is an important question to ask, because with the gaming laptop you usually get roughly 1/3 of the GPU power you'd receive if the same amount of money was spent on a gaming tuned desktop. Allow me to explain how I reached that figure. Mobile GPUs are simply much more expensive than their desktop relatives. An aftermarket Clevo GTX 780M is currently $695, while its analogue, the GTX 680, can be found for as low as $300/ So you can build a desktop with SLI GTX 680 for the price of the single 780M equipped laptop. This example is not quite the "1/3" figure I calculated, but also factor in that the GTX 780M also cost around $850, originally.
Let that sink in a bit. If you're going to be spending the majority of your time at home anyway, tethered and sitting at a desk, the desktop setup is the much stronger and more economical choice.
I've always held that the want for a gaming laptop should be about fulfilling one of very few things: necessity, luxury, or a combination of the two. They're a good option for:
- Frequent travelers - you spend a lot of time away from home and will rarely see time in front of your desktop.
- Students - You need something portable enough to take to class/studies and back home for holidays.
- Casuals - A cheaper laptop to play some games on the couch, or to compliment a more powerful desktop
- Ballers - Because you want one.
But I have good news, which is twofold. First, is that technology has advanced to the point where pretty much every laptop based on 2012 tech can game, at some level. This is mostly thanks to Intel and AMD's advances in integrated graphics power. Second, you no longer have to spend $1,000 just to get an entry level dedicated GPU, capable of 720p/30fps.
Hey there K.Jack, it seems that this section of your OP should be updated a bit...
...because the world has changed.
No? Go to the companion "I need a new PC!" thread and look at how much the PC you build there with a 1070 costs and compare it to the laptop launching today with 1070M. You'll probably pay at least twice as much for the laptop? Probably more if you want nice things? Something like that.
ss_lemonade
Member
To me, it looks like one could build a 1070, maybe even a 1080 rig for the cost of a 1060 laptop.
Probably, but I imagine it being pretty pricey too. Don't the 960m XPS 15s cost around the same as 970m machines?
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
No, the 1060 is the replacement for the 970m, the replacement for the 960m will be the as of yet unreleased 1050 or 1050ti (if there is one). The thermal envelope for the 1060 laptop version is the same 75w TDP as the 970m, so unless the XPS15 GPU is going to suck much more power than the last model, they can't use it.
Yeah, the 960m model is basically the same price as the lowest price 1060M model I've seen (~$1200).
Anyone think any OEM will be able to offer a 1060M machine for a cool $1k? Hoping Dell/HP/Acer/Asus can make it happen.
Admiral Woofington
Member
Am I not seen the prices for these laptops or am I going crazy?
I wish there was a fucking handy chart comparing all the specs with the different price points. I'd like to make an informed decision on which I'm getting
Edit:this seems to be it, unless I'm going crazy.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01IO9Y30G/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Seems like fantastic value. I'm likely going with this unless someone here knows for a fact there's something better for 1500
I wish there was a fucking handy chart comparing all the specs with the different price points. I'd like to make an informed decision on which I'm getting
Edit:this seems to be it, unless I'm going crazy.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01IO9Y30G/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Seems like fantastic value. I'm likely going with this unless someone here knows for a fact there's something better for 1500
I see. And are 1050s not expected in the foreseeable future, too?
samtherat6
Neo Member
There's a 1060 laptop for $1230 fro XOTIC PC. Seems to be the cheapest Pascal laptop. http://www.xoticpc.com/custom-gamin...che=true&order=price&graphicscard=162-161-160