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'24' production shuts down. Show's direction to be reconsidered

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They're probably trying to make the revelation that
Tony isn't really a badguy and has been working undercover all along
run more smoothly

btw I'm still on S4, which is pretty sweet IMO. It's getting quite repetitive and the torture is laughable, but the second half of the season has been great. 4 more episodes to go
 
I'm telling you Abandon the real time gimmick! Shows like Dexter and The Shield have proven that you don't need Kim Bauer being stuck on a ferris wheel episodes.

Seriously, get rid of the padding. Re-brand it as 24: CTU Operatives or some shit and just stop ruining the god damn franchise.
 
I'm trying to figure out how it was a troubled production this year. Are we talking about the delay, resulted because of the industry wide strike?
 
The Take Out Bandit said:
I'm telling you Abandon the real time gimmick! Shows like Dexter and The Shield have proven that you don't need Kim Bauer being stuck on a ferris wheel episodes.

Seriously, get rid of the padding. Re-brand it as 24: CTU Operatives or some shit and just stop ruining the god damn franchise.
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People seem to think the show can only function in gimmick mode sadly.
 
Stoney Mason said:
People seem to think the show can only function in gimmick mode sadly.
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That's the whole concept of the show. You take away the time format, and you've got your generic action show.
 
Kabuki Waq said:
considering how shit the show has become. This has to be a good thing.
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Well, I thought that too when it was delayed the first time... but they still went ahead with the whole "bringing Tony back from the dead as a bad guy" thing.
 
I agree with costanza. everybody is overexaggerating, season 6 isnt anywhere near as terrible as eveybody makes it out to be. it definitely couldve been better, but it was still really enjoyable, and definitely better than other stuff on tv (like prison break and heroes but i still watch these two shows). i have full faith theyll make a great season out of this, especially with all the extra time theyve had.
 
Can someone give me a few spoilers.
The last season I watched closely was season 4, that was the one that ended with
Jack being like fake killed because the chinese embassy was after him or something.

How was that resolved in later seasons, and
is jack still like a rogue agent?
 
Sanjay said:
Mostly spot on. Specifically season 4, what a lame ending with Marwan. Yep definitely started to falter with season 3, I think the whole Ryan Chappelle thing was very unlike 24 and to me was jumping the shark purely for shock factor.
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wow where is your avatar from?
 
Stoney Mason said:
People seem to think the show can only function in gimmick mode sadly.
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Yeah, it's a god damn joke. Folks act like the first two seasons of 24 were golden, but the truth is there was a lot of shitty padding (I don't give a f@ck how sweaty Elisha Cuthbert's cleavage is!) in those seasons, and IMO the series got better when Season 3 gave the dumb daughter a purpose no matter how absurd (nepotism getting you a gig in a high tension government facility lolz) up until Season 5 which was pretty damn near perfect.

My point is 24 was rarely ever 100% awesome, so there's no reason to to scrap the busted formula.
 
Shalashaska said:
That's the whole concept of the show. You take away the time format, and you've got your generic action show.
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As opposed to the generic action show it is now that runs overly long and is full of face palm bullshit? :\

Gigglepoo said:
But then it isn't 24.
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Yes, but I'm just putting that out there as I know Fox would probably want some recognizable aspect of the former brand intact.
 
Shalashaska said:
That's the whole concept of the show. You take away the time format, and you've got your generic action show.
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yeah if anything, IMO, they need to stick to it but actually focus on it.

they have made jack do so much outlandish stuff in one day that it has become unbelievable.

make the threat/problem smaller. on a smaller scale. more personal to jack. or make it one central threat that lasts for more than one episode. the one thing i hate about the "trying outdo each season" philosophy is that they have gone away from a big threat that lasts all day to smaller threats which pop up every episode, get resolved, only to find out there is bigger more sinister for next week's episode. what they need is something that pans out for the whole day. not something jack defuses in one episode only to learn of plan B....then plan C, D, E, F.....

i really hope they turn it around. they know the fans didnt like season 6. they know the critics didnt like it. so they cant say oh "some fans didnt like it" or "oh some critics didnt like it what do they know??!".....no one really liked it.

so hopefully this break is for the good.
 
and yeah Season 5 is awesome. Season 1 will always be my favorite because it was so new, unique, and fresh but Season 5 is a very close second.
 
The Take Out Bandit said:
I'm telling you Abandon the real time gimmick! Shows like Dexter and The Shield have proven that you don't need Kim Bauer being stuck on a ferris wheel episodes.

Seriously, get rid of the padding. Re-brand it as 24: CTU Operatives or some shit and just stop ruining the god damn franchise.
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That makes zero sense.

The 24-hour real time gimmick has absolutely nothing to do with season 6 sucking.

There's only been one horrible season, there's no reason to flip out like some of you do.
 
Has this place been taken over by emo's or something? I've never read so much whining in my life, it's getting to a stage where I can't enter a topic about a single thing I enjoy without getting annoyed.

In unrelated news, I don't like eating cabbage, so I think I should go find a forum where people like cabbage and let them know I don't like it.
 
Roders5 said:
Has this place been taken over by emo's or something? I've never read so much whining in my life, it's getting to a stage where I can't enter a topic about a single thing I enjoy without getting annoyed.
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"Emo's" don't complain this much. The hyperbole has reached a point of self-parody around here. ONE bad season of a TV show and we have someone saying they should abandon the entire format of the TV show.
 
How do you guys rate the seasons?

The thing I really like about the second half of S4 so far is that for the most part, the side story bullshit has been totally cut out. The first half featured so many scenes that obviously were just there to extend the episode. I'm 4 episodes away from finishing and right now everything is interesting, especially
Palmer's return omg. This is why you don't pick a shitty VP McCain
.

S1>S2>S3 so far. Unless S4's finale is as weak as S3's I'm pretty positive it'll surpass that season. I'm not digging the fantasy land torture or the repetitiveness but overall this is pretty ace
 
The Take Out Bandit said:
Yeah, it's a god damn joke. Folks act like the first two seasons of 24 were golden, but the truth is there was a lot of shitty padding (I don't give a f@ck how sweaty Elisha Cuthbert's cleavage is!) in those seasons, and IMO the series got better when Season 3 gave the dumb daughter a purpose no matter how absurd (nepotism getting you a gig in a high tension government facility lolz) up until Season 5 which was pretty damn near perfect.

My point is 24 was rarely ever 100% awesome, so there's no reason to to scrap the busted formula.
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The problem is the real time formula locks them in to a series of dumb coincidental events that need to happen to propel the story forward. It was neat and unique for awhile but I'm burned out on it.
 
Stoney Mason said:
The problem is the real time formula locks them in to a series of dumb coincidental events that need to happen to propel the story forward. It was neat and unique for awhile but I'm burned out on it.
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No it doesn't.

If you're burned out by the realtime format, stop watching. No reason to turn this into a generic action show.
 
PhoenixDark said:
How do you guys rate the seasons?

The thing I really like about the second half of S4 so far is that for the most part, the side story bullshit has been totally cut out. The first half featured so many scenes that obviously were just there to extend the episode. I'm 4 episodes away from finishing and right now everything is interesting, especially
Palmer's return omg. This is why you don't pick a shitty VP McCain
.

S1>S2>S3 so far. Unless S4's finale is as weak as S3's I'm pretty positive it'll surpass that season. I'm not digging the fantasy land torture or the repetitiveness but overall this is pretty ace
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S4's finale is fucking awesome and sets up an AMAZING beginning to S5. I'd rank them like so:

S1>S5>S2>S3>S4>S6
 
Gigglepoo said:
No it doesn't.

If you're burned out by the realtime format, stop watching. No reason to turn this into a generic action show.
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Yeah it does based on everything I've seen them do. And I'm certainly allowed to render my opinion and thoughts since I've been watching it from the beginning. You of course don't have to agree with me.
 
Stoney Mason said:
Yeah it does based on everything I've seen them do. And I'm certainly allowed to render my opinion and thoughts since I've been watching it from the beginning. You of course don't have to agree with me.
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So you don't think it's possible to write a story without a series of dumb coincidences?
 
Gigglepoo said:
So you don't think it's possible to write a story without a series of dumb coincidences?
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I'm saying the style of writing that they do only encourages these sort of bad habits with a real time format. In a perfect world, yes I agree that real time doesn't necessarily force you to follow things the way 24 does, but the way they've conditioned and scripted the show for all these seasons has put them and the audience in a box and the best way to break out of that box is to break out of that box. 24 has become formulaic certainly because of the writing quality and plotlines but the real time format isn't helping them anymore imo to achieve non-predictable results.

I think potentially a non-realtime format gives them a much bigger canvas to tell a story with. Is that the same 24 we've been watching all these years? Maybe not. But Change can also be good. Especially when the current format seems to have dead-ended creatively.

If this season rocks however, I'll be the first to admit it.
 
Jtwo said:
Can someone give me a few spoilers.
The last season I watched closely was season 4, that was the one that ended with
Jack being like fake killed because the chinese embassy was after him or something.

How was that resolved in later seasons, and
is jack still like a rogue agent?
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Trust me, you don't want to know Season 5 spoilers beforehand, just watch it. It's one of the best seasons
 
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We're running out of time
 
The Take Out Bandit said:
Yeah, it's a god damn joke. Folks act like the first two seasons of 24 were golden, but the truth is there was a lot of shitty padding (I don't give a f@ck how sweaty Elisha Cuthbert's cleavage is!) in those seasons, and IMO the series got better when Season 3 gave the dumb daughter a purpose no matter how absurd (nepotism getting you a gig in a high tension government facility lolz) up until Season 5 which was pretty damn near perfect.

My point is 24 was rarely ever 100% awesome, so there's no reason to to scrap the busted formula.
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I love seasons 1 and 2, but yeah, they're hardly perfect (THEY IS STEALIN' MAH MEMORY!!). At this point, they need to completely drop Bauer and the rest of his entourage altogether and go in a completely new direction. Of course they won't do that, so we've got Triple Agent Tony to look forward to.
 
Just kill this fucking show already, would ya? Id like to have fond memories of it, but they're really trying their best to not let that happen.

You know how this show should have ended? Jack and Mason BOTH going down in flames in S2. If the show had stopped there, I would never say a bad thing about it. Sadly, it didnt, and we got the crappy S3, even worse S4, semi decent S5, and then The Season That Shall Not Be Named.
 
Prince of Space said:
I love seasons 1 and 2, but yeah, they're hardly perfect (THEY IS STEALIN' MAH MEMORY!!). At this point, they need to completely drop Bauer and the rest of his entourage altogether and go in a completely new direction. Of course they won't do that, so we've got Triple Agent Tony to look forward to.
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Jack Bauer IS 24. He is the show. Without Jack Bauer, there is no 24.

And again, ONE bad season. And they should "drop Bauer".

Jesus christ. :lol
 
Lonestar said:
after reading it, duh, they only have 6-7 episodes left to mess with. They have 18 weeks done, and the show doesn't even air to January. These retooling episodes won't be seen for.... 7-8 months.

Quality wise, I don't know how good they will be.
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They're making sure the ending is LOL OMG AWESOME. That's all. Stop worrying, people. The show will be back in January.
 
PhoenixDark said:
How do you guys rate the seasons?
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S1>S3>S5>S4>S2

I couldn't even make it through S6, so I'm not going to rank it. S2 would've been higher until I watched it again; the second half is so mind-blowingly bad that it just ruins the rest for me. It's funny, because I remember really liking it the first time around.
 
I don't know what the issue is, the main problem with the show is very clear. It's success was based on the idea that everything happened in real-time, in 24 hours. The last couple of seasons totally threw that out the window: too much shit happened in too short a time. If you're just going to do a straight-up, generic action show, then just rename the show. If you're going to keep calling it '24', then bring the show back to what made it unique in the first place.
 
_leech_ said:
I don't know what the issue is, the main problem with the show is very clear. It's success was based on the idea that everything happened in real-time, in 24 hours. The last couple of seasons totally threw that out the window: too much shit happened in too short a time. If you're just going to do a straight-up, generic action show, then just rename the show. If you're going to keep calling it '24', then bring the show back to what made it unique in the first place.
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I don't see how that's "very clear" at all. It's completely wrong.

That didn't hut season 5 at all. Not even remotely. And it had that exact "problem".

Season 6 (the only bad season) sucks because the story sucks. That's it. That's the reason why it sucked people, there's no need to analyze it. They wrote a fucking horrible story.
 
PhoenixDark said:
How do you guys rate the seasons?

The thing I really like about the second half of S4 so far is that for the most part, the side story bullshit has been totally cut out. The first half featured so many scenes that obviously were just there to extend the episode. I'm 4 episodes away from finishing and right now everything is interesting, especially
Palmer's return omg. This is why you don't pick a shitty VP McCain
.

S1>S2>S3 so far. Unless S4's finale is as weak as S3's I'm pretty positive it'll surpass that season. I'm not digging the fantasy land torture or the repetitiveness but overall this is pretty ace
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S5 > S1 > S3 = S2 > S4 > S6

The second half of season 3 is awesome.
 
omg rite said:
I don't see how that's "very clear" at all. It's completely wrong.

That didn't hut season 5 at all. Not even remotely. And it had that exact "problem".

Season 6 (the only bad season) sucks because the story sucks. That's it. That's the reason why it sucked people, there's no need to analyze it. They wrote a fucking horrible story.
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Season 6 was not the only bad season. No season of 24 can compare to the greatness of the first two.
 
_leech_ said:
Season 6 was not the only bad season.
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Yes, it was.

1 and 2 were awesome, obviously.

3 was mostly good. The first half was kinda slow, but the second half was awesome.

4 was mediocre, but had some great episodes.

And...

No season of 24 can compare to the greatness of the first two.
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That's wrong, because season 5 exists. And whatever your opinion may be on it, the general consensus is that 5 is either just as good or better than season 1.
 
_leech_ said:
Season 6 was not the only bad season. No season of 24 can compare to the greatness of the first two.
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Why do people act like the first two seasons are on so much of a higher plane than the rest? Terry getting amnesia in S1 and fucking Kim in S2 (especially the second half) was almost as bad as any side story in the other seasons I've seen. S3 would have been better than S2 if it had a good finale - although I didn't like the end of Palmer's arc in S3.

The thing those seasons have going for them is that the idea was still fresh and hadn't been beaten into the ground. S4 has so many "uhh...haven't I seen this before" moments it's not funny.

btw in terms of awesome action S4 blows the previous 3 seasons away
 
The hate for season 4 is strong in this thread. The Heller rescue at that compound was effing awesome. I still remember the gif being posted where Jack snapped that guys neck, busted out his gun and shot that guy from like a 50 yards away. :lol
 
omg rite said:
Yes, it was.

1 and 2 were awesome, obviously.

3 was mostly good. The first half was kinda slow, but the second half was awesome.

4 was mediocre, but had some great episodes.

And...



That's wrong, because season 5 exists. And whatever your opinion may be on it, the general consensus is that 5 is either just as good or better than season 1.
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I do rather enjoy the seasons of 24. You see,
 
omg rite said:
the general consensus is that 5 is either just as good or better than season 1.
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Whatever world you live in, Im glad I am not a resident of. S1 craps all over any of the other seasons, by varying degrees.
 
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