I'm afraid I don't know enough about that specific game to say. But I'm almost positive the DS game is an entirely new game merely inspired by the original.
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24 years later, which console is powerful graphically--Genesis or SNES?
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I'm afraid I don't know enough about that specific game to say. But I'm almost positive the DS game is an entirely new game merely inspired by the original.
Its a remake with added modes.
And SNES by a mile. I know people like to talk theoretically about these things, but from what was released it is obviously SNES. Not even close.
Cute Dragon Here
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Speaking of which I just realized that it's the perfect game to demonstrate how you design art differently for different displays, probably.
Journey
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Not a fair assessment considering the 360 was often running at a higher resolution and sharper assets. That's like saying X1 is more powerful because a certain game has less dropped frames, meanwhile it's running at 900p vs 1080p. Check out the resolution list, way more 360 games ran at higher res, and looked better visually with better AA applied, whereas PS3 often used the low tier Quincunx garbage.
You think Im joking, but I just flashed back to pushing a lawn more whos handle was above my head.
ff6 and chrono trigger were worth every painful step.
7DollarHagane
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I would say super Nintendo overall because there are no games that look as good as ff6, chrono trigger, mk2 on SNES, fzero, donkey Kong country 2 and 3, secret of mama, or seiken densetsu 3 and mega man x.
I still like how genesis looks though and love the system. But graphics wise its pretty clearly SNES to me.
Looking at a late in generation high profile 3rd party release from a pretty clearly technically proficient developer makes the differences pretty clear.
I still like how genesis looks though and love the system. But graphics wise its pretty clearly SNES to me.
Looking at a late in generation high profile 3rd party release from a pretty clearly technically proficient developer makes the differences pretty clear.
I don't talk theoretically. I much prefer the special effects in the games I list to what the SNES usually offers.
I like Blast Processing. It powers Sonic, and Mario clearly looks hobbled in comparison.
I would say super Nintendo overall because there are no games that look as good as ff6, chrono trigger, mk2 on SNES, fzero, donkey Kong country 2 and 3, secret of mama, or seiken densetsu 3 and mega man x.
I still like how genesis looks though and love the system. But graphics wise its pretty clearly SNES to me.
Looking at a late in generation high profile 3rd party release from a pretty clearly technically proficient developer makes the differences pretty clear.
Remember what I said about comparing ports being a bad idea? Street Fighter 2 is probably one of the prime exhibits. Capcom never really had much of a commitment to the Genesis, and the SF2 port is based on the SNES port without being properly redesigned with the system in mind (people rummaging through the ROM have found leftover references to the SNES in it). And Capcom weren't really that technically proficient. They made plenty of mistakes on both the SNES and Genesis. Since they were primarily arcade developers at the time, they were probably so used to brute force solutions on their CPS hardware that their programmers never really taught themselves to work more efficiently with console hardware.
Several hobbyists have also been modifying the SF2 Genesis releases to make them better than Capcom's efforts. Champion Edition has one that fixes the sample playback quality issues. And there is one in progress for SSSF2 that remakes the background graphics
claude.labonte
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because it's obvious for everyone that the SNES Aladdin is better so we don't talk about it
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You are right but there are also no first party equivalents for 360 for these type of games so we don't know how these games would look on 360 if the same amount of time and budget would have been put in these games.
Ewww, no way. I didn't play the Genesis version til years later because I thought it was a port, but its so much better.
Who cares, they're both pretty mediocre licensed games with the Genesis game being pretty and the SNES being designed by shinji mikami.
"Let's compare licensed games because I'm not familiar with the Genesis library" is what these dumb threads typically devolve into.
Shadow Broker
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I read the title of the thread, clicked, read the OP, got confused, read the title thread again, read some responses, and realized that I walked in on another PS360 caomparrision thread.
I seriously thought we were going to be talkING about SNES vs Gennisis graphics.
Graphics to me is nothing more than art and beauty, it's all in the eye of the beholder.
Edit: Apperantly this is a hybrid thread for graphic talk.
I seriously thought we were going to be talkING about SNES vs Gennisis graphics.
Graphics to me is nothing more than art and beauty, it's all in the eye of the beholder.
Edit: Apperantly this is a hybrid thread for graphic talk.
protomouse
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Well, the Mega Drive certainly had a more powerful CPU, but the SFC's design around enhancement chips was a thing of beauty.
Flakster99
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As per the title of this thread, graphically speaking, absolutely zero contest. It's SNES/PS3.
HappehLemons
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The game's still running on a Super Nintendo, is it not?
Over 50+ snes games used enhancement chips. It was pretty normal actually.
PumpkinSpice
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If you're only looking at US released games, you've got 22 / 700 games or ~3% of releases. It's really a pretty thin list.
Trogdor1123
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Are we including the super fx chip too? Serious business.
Are there any games still coming to the SNES? I don't mean official ones but rather ones that enthusiasts make. Im pretty sure that Dreamcast had one not too long ago and thought that the SNES might be getting them too.
It would be interesting to see the tricks that the devs could do now.
Are there any games still coming to the SNES? I don't mean official ones but rather ones that enthusiasts make. Im pretty sure that Dreamcast had one not too long ago and thought that the SNES might be getting them too.
It would be interesting to see the tricks that the devs could do now.
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I think it was a joke thread title change that made the thread interesting by accident.
Zombegoast
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I haven't seen any game that looks as good as tales of Phantasia on the Genesis and even on the Snes.
There was water reflection and ripple when walking over puddles.
Buildings, clouds and trees cast shadows over the environment.
And the character's shadow stretches when near light.
There was water reflection and ripple when walking over puddles.
Buildings, clouds and trees cast shadows over the environment.
And the character's shadow stretches when near light.
Pretty sure phantasia was never on genesis.
As an owner of both systems throughout their active lifespan, is there really people out there saying Genesis?
I loved the Genesis, and it had its own style that was awesome, both in sound and graphics, but really... no matter how many games or certain effects you cherry-pick from the Genesis, it really can't measure up to quite a large # of SNES titles.
I loved the Genesis, and it had its own style that was awesome, both in sound and graphics, but really... no matter how many games or certain effects you cherry-pick from the Genesis, it really can't measure up to quite a large # of SNES titles.
PumpkinSpice
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Star Ocean looks even better.
What the hell happened to the audio output in the GBA though? It sounds like ass. Definitely didn't get the best of either in that regard.
Its the only reason why I cliked on it.....I dont really care about PS3 and 360 in this context.....we get enough of it every few months.
This is actually more interesting to me. lol
Based on nothing technical.....I say its too hard to tell. What I do know is to me sports games played better on Genesis for some reason. EA sports games.
Nintendojitsu
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Both were capable in the right hands but overall graphics capability belonged 'squarely' with the SNES.
Cute Dragon Here
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I think the actual audio hardware of the Game Boy Advance is... pretty much non-existent compared to the SNES.
However, the Game Boy Advance has enough CPU to run a software synth in most games.
How good it sounds pretty much depends on how much CPU you can dedicate to audio processing for the most part, and how efficient you're mixing things with. (And even then, some GBA games that sounded less than hot on the real hardware sound much better once you remove the veil of low-quality final output.)
Despite the "shortcomings" of GBA audio, I tend to find the resulting output less... artificial compared to either the Genesis or the SNES.
Im not sure why that matters. In the end, we were all playing those games on both systems. We saw them, and the SNES looked better throughout the gen overall, while the Genesis seemed to have game that were 'faster' overall.
What good is potential if its not being realized? This reminds me of early last gen, when we knew the PS3 could likely be used to put out superior visuals to the 360, but it flat out wasn't for whatever reason until the 1st part stuff around the end of the gen. Who cares if its not showing in the games you buy?
Exactly. From actually PLAYING games during that generation, the SNES was way out ahead in a lot of the stuff it did visually. From some of the great 1st and 2nd party stuff, and especially the multiplats. Maybe Genesis was capable of more.... but it rarely ever showed it. Maybe it was lazy devs? Maybe not, but the SNES pretty much wrecked the genesis when it came to graphical showpieces outside of a few outliers. Honestly though, the graphical 'gap' between the two was pretty damn small though.
Well if you want an example of a multiplatform title that wasn't hastily ported over from SNES code and assets, there's always Samurai Shodown.
And I think there's more than enough existing titles to even out the odds. The problem here is that they have been buried into obscurity. Mainstream retro press has such a dismissive attitude of the system almost to the point of revisionist history and most people are barely even aware of what the library has to offer outside of Sonic and EA Sports titles.
DontBeThatGuy
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I always preferred the SNES graphics(and game library), but man, that slowdown can get crazy. It's something I notice way more now, probably didn't give a shit back when it was new.
(I really liked the SNES Aladdin, by the way, and never played the genesis version until much later in life)
(I really liked the SNES Aladdin, by the way, and never played the genesis version until much later in life)
I loved how alive Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts first level looked, Nutty Acres. Especially the "ocean". Another good-looking Rare game would be Viva Piñata love the lighting in that game. Crackdown was another early X360 release that impressed me, this time with the insane draw distance.
This is spot on.
Outside of anything that had to do with a 3D plane, polygons and background effects which went to the Megadrive/Genesis.
Zombegoast
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Yeah but that game used a chip.
Also Treasure of Rudra had some awesome sprite animations. It's the 3rd Strike of the 16bit era
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6k3NiyejZRE
Cute Dragon Here
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I'm beginning to think that most of the problems with the Genesis have to do with the "averages" and the mind share...
My heart still belongs to the SNES though because I care really only about the "results". (Then again, I'm an RPG nut, and I'm totally biased...)
I'd imagine that the discussion would be very different if the SNES had the equivalent of the GBA instead! (Maybe then we'd be comparing the SNES against the Neo-Geo instead?)
I think that chip is also good for decompression only or something?
My heart still belongs to the SNES though because I care really only about the "results". (Then again, I'm an RPG nut, and I'm totally biased...)
I'd imagine that the discussion would be very different if the SNES had the equivalent of the GBA instead! (Maybe then we'd be comparing the SNES against the Neo-Geo instead?)
I think that chip is also good for decompression only or something?
Warm Machine
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Resolution goes to Genesis
Processor goes to Genesis
Colors on screen go to SNES.
Sound goes to SNES.
TV output goes to SNES
Xbox 360 did everything better than PS3 except for sound.
Processor goes to Genesis
Colors on screen go to SNES.
Sound goes to SNES.
TV output goes to SNES
Xbox 360 did everything better than PS3 except for sound.
entremet
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Genesis destroys SNES for TV output if you're using RGB.
The RGB output on the Genesis is glorious.
Shuggananas
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it's considered the best console ever for a reason