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2K Games announces XCOM (X360 and PC)
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firehawk12
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EmCeeGramr said:
That'd be great if Irrational were making the game... since they made the last good SWAT game.
lowrider007
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bhlaab said:
I think a few people would disagree there, personally I'm not as negative as many on here just because it's a 'first person' perspective based game, there seems to be so many negative connotations attached to that, I thought we stopped thinking every 'fps' was a 'Doom Clone' in the nineties?
I'm a little worried that this game might not live up to our expectations but not because of it being a first person game, but because I'm not sure if 2K Games will do a good job of it.
There's a decent chance that Firaxis is doing the strategy version.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6238162.html
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6238162.html
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So this is the Xbox Exclusive returning franchise.
meh.
meh.
EmCeeGramr
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lowrider007 said:
You're incorrect in your assumption.
People don't like these sorts of things because:
-The original games weren't FPS titles and relied on mechanics that aren't FPS-like at all
-There's a glut of FPS games on the market as it is, so why do we need another one when we could have an updated version of the series' original gameplay style?
ToxicAdam said:
No, it's impossible.
Creating a proper X-Com narrative is impossible from the dev end. One of the many reasons I loved X-Com was because the characters were mine. I created their narrative. I hired and fired dozens of recruits searching for suitable red shirts. I went through dozens of red shirts before I found some solid troops worthy of being named. Losing a named trooper was heartbreaking.
When a soldier I've used for months is about to die
and he primes a grenade
and he charges into an alien entertainment center
and he sprays his power armor all over the goddamn place
That's our story.
./pours one out
Clevinger said:
I'd eat a KFC Double Down to make it happen.
MikeE21286
Member
I feel as though many people will be happy over this although I have no feelings towards it whatsoever.....hopefully its a good game nonetheless
Edit: whoa unexpected rage in this thread
Edit: whoa unexpected rage in this thread
FrostuTheNinja
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AstroLad said:
Only in the dungeons, please.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
So...what's Xcom? Is this the "significant franchise" being turned into another fps?
I'm buying three FPS this year - Halo Reach, Crysis 2, and Portal 2 - and I think that will be my fill for a long, long, time.
I'm buying three FPS this year - Halo Reach, Crysis 2, and Portal 2 - and I think that will be my fill for a long, long, time.
EmCeeGramr
Member
reetva said:
Great, Halo 5 will be a Facebook Farmville clone. Stop whining nerds, we're moving in a new direction and getting rid of stale old gameplay.
Fallout 3 was still an RPG in the same vain, but spiced with Elder Scrolls.evlcookie said:
This on the other hand is more similar to Shadowrun. Allot of crying over nostalgic memories of a dead franchise(Same as above). But its not even going for the same genre. They are just using the property and universe.
2nd, Not everyone loved Fallout 3. I thought it was pretty meh. While 2 had quite a bit more charm for it when I played it over last summer. It still left a bad taste in many fans mouth. Not to mention the glitches.:lol
How I see this is simply, I see no reason to get mad over them reusing a dead franchise. But, I see disappointment in another "First Person Shooter". The two most overplayed genres I can think of right now are JRPGs and FPS. The question is, Do I really want anymore? I would much prefer something more similar to the original series, but clearly it wasn't deemed financial valuable way.
grandjedi6
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What?
WHY FUCK WHY
Dragona Akehi
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grandjedi6 said:
I see you have met your Prime.
Chairman Yang
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Yeah, it would be really cool and original to use the whole "soldiers fighting aliens who are attacking Earth" setting for an FPS.reetva said:
speculawyer
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Yeah, I got head-faked by this. I assumed Irrational games (formerly known as 2K Boston which and formerly known as Irrational games) was working on this.GitarooMan said:
Ken Levine's project then remains a mystery.
Yes, you definitely got my post. I think that Halo 5 should be Farmville 2. Seriously, though, we're just holding on to nostalgia without really considering how things could be done differently. Games are unique in that the narrative and gameplay are in two separate genre classifications. I really liked X-Com the strategy series. I hope to like X-Com the FPS. There is nothing necessarily wrong with a gameplay genre switch.EmCeeGramr said:
speculawyer
Member
Why no PS3?
Also, does this mean no Bioshock 3?
Also, does this mean no Bioshock 3?
I think it could work as a Squad FPS, but I don't think its going to happen from the PR (would be a pretty big element that they left out).Mindlog said:
To me X-COM is recruiting a bunch of red shirts to go chasing UFOs around the world and getting our asses kicked until we manage to scrounge together enough of their technology to finally get on even footing.
If they can pull that off, great, but I'm doubtful.
An X-Com revival by Irrational has been talked about for some time now. While I think it's pretty dumb to hope for a game as complicated as the original to be successful enough for a developer as big as Irrational to develop these days, I can understand why people would be upset about this. No narrative-driven FPS can ever be as good as the original X-Com. This is shitty.
It doesn't help that the X-Com universe is also pretty shitty.
Joseph Merrick
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ahahaha. this is fucking hilarious
grandjedi6
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Dragona Akehi said:
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Bioshock 2 was a great game and I'm looking forward to seeing what these guys are doing with this franchise.
Then again I have no nostalgia for the X-Com games. I missed them back then and they're pretty damn archaic and hard to play now. I tried them with the steam sale and it just didn't click for me. I could see the magic, but I couldn't feel it. Had to be there, at least personally.
Hopefully it does have some strategy to it and it's not just a regular shooter. There's a lot they could do.
I wish more people on GAF would allow projects to be innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around. You guys need more happy in your lives.
Then again I have no nostalgia for the X-Com games. I missed them back then and they're pretty damn archaic and hard to play now. I tried them with the steam sale and it just didn't click for me. I could see the magic, but I couldn't feel it. Had to be there, at least personally.
Hopefully it does have some strategy to it and it's not just a regular shooter. There's a lot they could do.
I wish more people on GAF would allow projects to be innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around. You guys need more happy in your lives.
Ninja Scooter
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i don't think the FPS thing is a deal breaker. Its ambitious, but possible to pull off the old style gameplay and atmosphere in a FPS setting, still letting you do all the planning and ordering around just from the perspective of a single soldier or commander out in the field. Could actually enhance the creepiness. Lets be real, a lot of the older stuff from the original games, like the "fog of war" or even the turn based gameplay wouldn't realistically translate to a modern, big budget console game. Some concessions would have to be made, just like with any 10-15 year old franchise being re-imagined for current consoles/PCs. But that doesn't mean they still can't create a good Xcom game.
That said if its just a squad based FPS in a similar setting to XCom what a waste of a great IP.
That said if its just a squad based FPS in a similar setting to XCom what a waste of a great IP.
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grandjedi6 said:
I would say I have had my revenge, but I loved the old XCOM games too.
reetva said:
What exactly is the X-Com Universe that makes it special and sets it apart? It's the very definition of generic. What made X-Com great wasn't the universe or lore -- it was the gameplay.
I agree with your general point and have no problem with franchises breaking off into new genres, but I really don't get it with this one at all.
If they were making a first-person game that still used the general X-Com principles of recruiting soldiers and building a kick-ass team, while the gameplay was in the vein of something like Valkyria Chronicles from a first-person perspective, I'd be on-board, but this... it just makes no sense to me at all.
BJK
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Tain said:
...and yet the Wii version of Fire Emblem is still in the top-5 games in the Wii Stats Reports, with the average user playing for over 50 hours.
Even if Turn-based strategy games won't sell in CoD-esque numbers, the potential to serve a committed audience with DLC means that you have a revenue stream if you do it right.
I've bought X-Com more times than I'd care to admit; just this weekend, I was telling a friend that I'm afraid I'm going to end up buying it again on Steam one of these days. This is a franchise that died because the developer (Microprose) tried to Activision the title into different game types that failed to appeal to its audience. They made a real-time strategy game, a flight combat sim, and had an FPS in development when the studio went under.
Getting away from what made the game successful = higher budgets, but diminishing returns. I didn't buy the non-turn based games....and I'm not likely to this time around either.
Besides, who needs big-budget? A $20-40 PSN/XBLA with passable graphics, turn-based goodness and new research trees, really building off what made the concept work....would turn a profit.
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Honestly, there's no reason a real X-Com TBS with good production values, streamlined--not dumbed down, but streamlined--gameplay, better accessibility, and a great developer couldn't be wildly successful. Every "dead" genre is infeasible until someone competent resurrects it; then it becomes the next big thing because it feels fresh to people. It's happened with WRPGs, 2D platformers, even adventure games; it should happen with turn-based strategy, too.Tain said:
reetva said:
It can be quite successful.
Warcraft transitioned well from RTS to MMO.
I didn't have too many problems with Halo Wars.
a couple of other examples
The problem is that those properties had a real narrative. The lore was a strong part of each of those games. X-Com isn't exactly a story driven game. I am far more tied to the gameplay than I am to the lore.
That's just me though. Perhaps some people were really moved by the ending. I'm still going to keep an eye on this game, but I'll be looking at it as a generic FPS. The X-Com name is meaningless in this case.
Brashnir said:
You beat me to the post and posted an excellent idea of what new X-Com could be.
hats off
Ninja Scooter said:
A game requiring "all of the planning" of the original, regardless of perspective, would be impossible for a huge 360 FPS by Irrational.
Chairman Yang said:
I guess that I really can't see it. I mean, they're shooting for Bioshock, here. I can see a TBS as a brief XBLA seller or something, but nothing more, and certainly not in the league of this game.
And you can improve the X-Com interface, but you can only go so far before you snip complexity.