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[Samurai G0SU]

I think many people commenting did not read the whole post from Josh. He even says...

...here is a laundry list of other bug fixes and improvements that we are tracking as a team. Far too many to document here. Everything from weapon placements on maps, to lighting improvements, to rule tweaks in game modes and modifications to the motion tracker to encourage more movement at higher levels of play.

So much good info on the ability to choose.

I really like this part...

I hope you enjoyed your first glimpse into the future of Halo multiplayer and look forward to sharing more with you in the months ahead

i just hope it isn't just a trailer but more of BTB testing, because ... i took those surveys they sent out annnd yeaah.... lol

 

[Bizazedo]

You were asking why sprint is hated. The response is more than just "bigger maps".

Yeah. Every example so far is "It plays differently" and gets back to the view that people are just sore it's not like the old games....which is why it's hard to take seriously. Halo 4 is then bandied about, but a lot of people were irritated by Halo 4 for reasons other than sprint.

 

[VinFTW]

LOL

dat argument.

Apparently opinions only matter if they match his. The classic "Do it my way or I'm taking my ball and going home!" tact.

Yeah its nothing new, we deal with it in the Halo OT daily.

 

[Derpyduck]

the game isn't even out yet and there's more than 6 months till release...'

again, I ask: wut?



Maybe you should follow your own ideology here.

Apparently opinions only matter if they match his. The classic "Do it my way or I'm taking my ball and going home!" tact.

 

[NeOak]

Yeah. Every example so far is "It plays differently" and gets back to the view that people are just sore it's not like the old games....which is why it's hard to take seriously. Halo 4 is then bandied about, but a lot of people were irritated by Halo 4 for reasons other than sprint.

Halo 4 died because of a lot of reasons, starting with Sprint and boring gameplay.

And yes, Halo is Halo up until Reach. Go and try to change Counter Strike. See how many play it.

The problem is that 343 tried to change too much and fucked up. Destiny feels like the natural evolution of Halo with ADS and Sprint.

H4 & H5? No. They went for Call of Duty: Spartan Warfare.

 

[ProvenDeadly]

Yeah. Every example so far is "It plays differently" and gets back to the view that people are just sore it's not like the old games....which is why it's hard to take seriously. Halo 4 is then bandied about, but a lot of people were irritated by Halo 4 for reasons other than sprint.

Sorry That I prefer old games that were universally loved and played rather than the newer ones which the community revolts against months after release. Sorry I don't like seeing my favorite game series buried under 20 miles of dirt because one company simply doesn't understand what makes Halo good. Sorry I dislike seeing 343 blatantly copy it's peers to try and create that impulse sale from a person who won't touch the game a month after launch, leaving I the other chunk of the hardcore community that actually give a shit about the game for more than a few months to try and make the best of a bad Halo game.

 

[Bizazedo]

Halo 4 died because of a lot of reasons.

And yes, Halo is Halo. Go and try to change Counter Strike. See how many play it.

The problem is that 343 tried to change too much and fucked up. Destiny feels like the natural evolution of Halo with ADS and Sprint?.

H4 & H5? No. They went for Call of Duty: Spartan Warfare.

Sorry That I prefer old games that were universally loved and played rather than the newer ones which the community revolts against months after release. Sorry I don't like seeing my favorite game series buried under 20 miles of dirt because one company simply doesn't understand what makes Halo good. Sorry I dislike seeing 343 blatantly copy it's peers to try and create that impulse sale from a person who won't touch the game a month after launch, leaving I the other chunk of the hardcore community that actually give a shit about the game for more than a few months to try and make the best of a bad Halo game.

The thing neither of you are getting is that expressing your opinions is great....but you're expressing them like it's fact and should matter above being just an opinion.

Some opinions are basically facts. Yours....are not.

 

[NeOak]

The thing neither of you are getting is that expressing your opinions is great....but you're expressing them like it's fact and should matter above being just an opinion.

Some opinions are basically facts. Yours....are not.

You are just shutting down everything you don't agree with.

 

[JaggedSac]

Halo 4 died because of a lot of reasons.

And yes, Halo is Halo. Go and try to change Counter Strike. See how many play it.

The problem is that 343 tried to change too much and fucked up. Destiny feels like the natural evolution of Halo with ADS and Sprint?.

H4 & H5? No.

Halo 5 felt like Halo to me. Guess I wouldn't know anything though, I've only played about 6,000 matches of Halo.

https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/games/halo-2/xbox/service-records/players/jaggedsac

Oh, I liked Halo 4 too. Not as much as the others, but I certainly didn't have as many problems as everyone else has. Wanna know why I didn't play Reach and Halo 4 as much? Because I graduated college and started a family. I certainly can't spend 700 hours playing a single Halo game anymore.

 

[ProvenDeadly]

The thing neither of you are getting is that expressing your opinions is great....but you're expressing them like it's fact and should matter above being just an opinion.

Some opinions are basically facts. Yours....are not.

I get it. But it seems like my opinion lies with a lot of people if you look at the population numbers.

 

[BokehKing]

Sorry That I prefer old games that were universally loved and played rather than the newer ones which the community revolts against months after release. Sorry I don't like seeing my favorite game series buried under 20 miles of dirt because one company simply doesn't understand what makes Halo good. Sorry I dislike seeing 343 blatantly copy it's peers to try and create that impulse sale from a person who won't touch the game a month after launch, leaving I the other chunk of the hardcore community that actually give a shit about the game for more than a few months to try and make the best of a bad Halo game.

So you rather get one halo game just right.....then just get map packs for the same game over the next 10 years?

 

[SaganIsGOAT]

89% of the halo community are idiots, confirmed.

Voice your concerns over Sprint!

89% in favor of Sprint

We have failed.

 

[Bizazedo]

You are just shutting down everything you don't agree with.

No, I'm pointing out the arrogance in which some people are displaying their opinions as being the only logical correct solution when others, who may have played Halo a lot as well (look at that poster above me ), might disagree.

It actually weakens your position and you don't even see it.

I get it. But it seems like my opinion lies with a lot of people if you look at the population numbers.

Correlation does not imply causation. I quit Halo 4 with the quickness, but not due to Sprint, and yet you'd lob me in with your argument as if it backed it? Shameful.

 

[Poodlestrike]

Halo 4 died because of a lot of reasons, starting with Sprint and boring gameplay.

And yes, Halo is Halo up until Reach. Go and try to change Counter Strike. See how many play it.

The problem is that 343 tried to change too much and fucked up. Destiny feels like the natural evolution of Halo with ADS and Sprint.

H4 & H5? No. They went for Call of Duty: Spartan Warfare.

Wat.

Destiny goes much further afield than even Halo 4. Full blown COD style ADS, customizable loadouts, can't even pick up enemy guns, one-shot kill supers...

 

[ProvenDeadly]

So you rather get one halo game just right.....then just get map packs for the same game over the next 10 years?

No. I want new things. I'm not a fan of just regurgitating shit from other games like 343 loves to do.

 

[Blue Ninja]

Maybe I'm thinking of the wrong control scheme then? I used the same one I used in Reach (reload mapped to RB and armor ability mapped to LB), but with sprint no longer a Spartan Ability 343 mapped it to X.

No, that's Recon. Halo 4 had sprint bound to X as well, but in the MCC the Universal Recon default had Sprint on LB and armor abilities on X. Very strange.

 

[Primethius]

Considering that a lot of people expected them to change nothing at all, I'd say they're all nice changes

That says a lot I suppose.

 

[BokehKing]

Wat.

Destiny goes much further afield than even Halo 4. Full blown COD style ADS, customizable loadouts, can't even pick up enemy guns, one-shot kill supers...

Geezus fuck stop with this already
COD did not copyright ADS
Tons and tons of games use ADS, tons of games use custom load outs, it's called variety, people love variety and hate stagnation

 

[NeOak]

Wat.

Destiny goes much further afield than even Halo 4. Full blown COD style ADS, customizable loadouts, can't even pick up enemy guns, one-shot kill supers...

Yup.

Still has that Halo gameplay feel though :c

Halo 4 didn't ;-;

 

[VinFTW]

Yup.

Still has that Halo feel though :c

Halo 4 didn't ;-;

is this sarcasm? or did you say destiny feels like halo

 

[Bizazedo]

Yup.

Still has that Halo feel though :c

Halo 4 didn't ;-;

Destiny has sprint. By your arguments, it can't have that Halo feel.

 

[NeOak]

is this sarcasm? or did you say destiny feels like halo

A bit. The base shooting feels like it.

The rest is the MMO like coating though.

 

[Somnia]

Halo absolutely has one of the most toxic fanbases for any console game I've ever known. But then it goes the other way - because 343 are first party, people make ridiculous excuses for them. The Xbox One subreddit, for example, is awful for any discussion surrounding Halo. If you think the MCC was bad, it's sour grapes, and you should just enjoy the campaigns (which don't even work properly in co-op).

And on that note, I think you're downplaying Halo MCC. It's more than a shame, death of the franchise in my opinion. They've pissed off their old fans, they've pissed off their potential new ones - and the competition is fierce. AW is genuinely good, and Treyarch are working on the next COD, Titanfall is extremely solid and has the potential to be huge, the new Battlefront treads on the toes of Halo with its sic-fi lore, Hardline is solid.

I can't see any Halo Xbox One game outselling the MCC, unless they literally give Halo 5 away to Halo MCC owners. People have been burned, they have alternatives. Sure, none of those are arena shooters, but Halo will need more than superfans of that niche to justify the funding it gets. All this has come too late.

The bolded is just crazy talk. Halo 5 will sell multiples more than MCC. In fact Halo 5 will be one of the largest games of the year even with the problems MCC had.

 

[rrc1594]

I love Halo threads

 

[Poodlestrike]

Geezus fuck stop with this already
COD did not copyright ADS
Tons and tons of games use ADS, tons of games use custom load outs, it's called variety, people love variety and hate stagnation

Dude, I'm not hating on either ADS, Halo 5, or any of the above. Just using it as a descriptor to differentiate it from Halo 5 style ADS; Destiny's causes you to slow down, among other things, much like COD.

Hell, I loved the Halo 5 beta. If they manage to launch with the changes listed and no technical issues, I think it'll be the best game in the series since 2.

Relax.

 

[kittens]

Hyperbolic language and dismissive attitudes are really killing the discussion here.

 

[jem0208]

Yup.

Still has that Halo gameplay feel though :c

Halo 4 didn't ;-;

This post.


It makes no sense.

 

[BokehKing]

No. I want new things. I'm not a fan of just regurgitating shit from other games like 343 loves to do.

But when they throw new things at you, you don't like them

Movement is key in the game I get it, but can't have sprint, because God forbid not only do 100 of other games have sprint, but most importantly COD has it, so we can't have it

People who made COD have a game now that has jet thruster packs, where is the outrage for that?

People copy off of market leaders and who has the crown, Halo lost the crown when COD4 came out... There is a reason for that

Because we liked something new and more enjoyable

Some of us wish halo would take a step in another direction, the masses that will buy the game

 

[NeOak]

This post.


It makes no sense.

It's not meant to because it is an opinion and therefore subjective.

 

[Deadly Cyclone]

Sorry That I prefer old games that were universally loved and played rather than the newer ones which the community revolts against months after release. Sorry I don't like seeing my favorite game series buried under 20 miles of dirt because one company simply doesn't understand what makes Halo good. Sorry I dislike seeing 343 blatantly copy it's peers to try and create that impulse sale from a person who won't touch the game a month after launch, leaving I the other chunk of the hardcore community that actually give a shit about the game for more than a few months to try and make the best of a bad Halo game.

 

[Madness]

I would have liked a toggle for smart scope/ADS because that would have forced them to make a classic zoom animation.

No one has to to provide me a single reason, beyond CoD/sales/modernity, why it's better to have the weapon iron sights in the middle of your Spartans visor, rather than the natural/part of lore, gun reticle only, especially for an arena shooter.

 

[Caayn]

Wait there was a poll?? Why did I not know this.

http://teambeyond.net/forum/topic/5443-halo-5-guardians-discussion/page-303#entry352999

Thanks for the thread linked, interesting read.

343 says a lot of things and they make lots of promises that never, ever pan out because of malice or incompetence, and this current session looks to be more of the same.

How much of these will they go back on or screw up this time?

Enough for us to make a bingo card.

 

[BokehKing]

Dude, I'm not hating on either ADS, Halo 5, or any of the above. Just using it as a descriptor to differentiate it from Halo 5 style ADS; Destiny's causes you to slow down, among other things, much like COD.

Hell, I loved the Halo 5 beta. If they manage to launch with the changes listed and no technical issues, I think it'll be the best game in the series since 2.

Relax.

When you aim a gun you slow down
I understand 'lore' and it's built into the armor yadda yadda, but people today like aiming, do you want them to buy the game or not? Because like it or not you need that audience

 

[jem0208]

It's not meant to because it is an opinion and therefore subjective.

Welp, I think your opinion makes no sense.

Halo 4's base gameplay felt very Halo. Destiny is vastly different.

 

[Demon Ice]

Yeah, because a super soldier wouldn't be able to run.

A super soldier would also be able to punch through walls, guess they should add that to the game too.

How do people not realize what a weak line of thought this is?

 

[NeOak]

Destiny has sprint. By your arguments, it can't have that Halo feel.

Halo feel is not the same as being Halo.

But since I'm not agreeing with you, you'll point it out as if I were talking literally instead of figuratively about that.

Welp, I think your opinion makes no sense.

Halo 4's base gameplay felt very Halo. Destiny is vastly different.

Start a new character. The base shooting is there.

 

[vesvci]

This is good. I'm glad they're actively listening to the community. It could mean that they have no ideas on what to do or that they really want to cater to the community. I'll think it's the latter....for now.

does mcc work yet

MCC is not real, it is a figment of your imagination.

 

[VinFTW]

A bit. The base shooting feels like it.

The rest is the MMO like coating though.

and im done with this conversation lol

 

[Welfare]

Welp, I think your opinion makes no sense.

Halo 4's base gameplay felt very Halo. Destiny is vastly different.

Technically, base Halo 4 has ordnance drops. Legendary BR slayer felt close to Halo games before it.

 

[ProvenDeadly]

But when they throw new things at you, you don't like them

Movement is key in the game I get it, but can't have sprint, because God forbid not only do 100 of other games have sprint, but most importantly COD has it, so we can't have it

People who made COD have a game now that has jet thruster packs, where is the outrage for that?

People copy off of market leaders and who has the crown, Halo lost the crown when COD4 came out... There is a reason for that

Because we liked something new and more enjoyable

Some of us wish halo would take a step in another direction, the masses that will buy the game

Dude. It is not about not wanting it because COd has it, it is about not having it because IT WILL NEVER WORK with the current way Halo plays. Imagine Counter Strike with Sprint. Good luck. It works in COD because you die in 3 bullets. It doesn't work in Halo because you have shields and therefore it takes a lot longer. That sucks. I don't even want to get into why it sucks. I and many many many others have already done so.

 

[NeOak]

and im done with this conversation lol

You mean the one where you were the 343 apologist? Thank god.

MCC is not real, it is a figment of your imagination.

I want to believe! :c

 

[Bizazedo]

Halo feel is not the same as being Halo.

But since I'm not agreeing with you, you'll point it out as if I were talking literally instead of figuratively about that.

Why would I do that, your comment here was correct? Now you're acting as though you're being persecuted.

It still reinforces the idea that sprint, in and of itself, is potentially doable in a Halo-type game, so thank you for that.

 

[Glass]

Now this is how you do a beta and listen to feedback. I hope we've seen the last of the 2 weeks before launch betas.

 

[Deadly Cyclone]

Folks, they could have made Halo 2 again with new maps and called it Halo and people would have bitched. You are never going to please everyone.

Halo 5 looks (and played) much better than 4, and some of the old-school Halo mechanics came back and mixed with some newer ideas. That's all I wanted.

 

[VinFTW]

You mean the one where you were the 343 apologist? Thank god.


I want to believe! :c

holy shit if you think im a 343 aplogist and holy shit at you calling people apologists for not thinking DESTINY FEELS LIKE HALO

I mean... are you the worlds greatest troll or am I missing something here?

 

[EBCubs03]

Nobody should buy a Halo game ever again

 

[NeOak]

Why would I do that, your comment here was correct? Now you're acting as though you're being persecuted.

It still reinforces the idea that sprint, in and of itself, is potentially doable in a Halo-type game, so thank you for that.

Sprint is doable as an option like in Reach, yes. Not as a base. Not like now.

There are those that hate Reach too, so *shrug*

 

[The Jackdog]

Great changes, seems like a year out beta provided some great feedback and they are listening. Really excited for halo 5.

BUT I WAS EXCITED FOR MCC TOO SO

 

[Eos]

what? destiny more halo than halo 4?
lmao no way. halo 4 plays similar to halo, while destiny is more cod than halo.

 

[NeOak]

holy shit if you think im a 343 aplogist and holy shit at you calling people apologists for not thinking DESTINY FEELS LIKE HALO

I mean... are you the worlds greatest troll or am I missing something here?

Didn't i reply to you that like you said, I was being sarcastic about Destiny?

The apologist is for your faith vs what actions in the past have shown of 343.