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360 dashboard update bricks new console

GhaleonEB said:
from Major Nelson:

http://www.majornelson.com/archive/2006/11/01/having-an-issue-with-the-fall-update.aspx

Quote:
Having an issue with the Fall update ?

It turns out that there is a very small number of people are having issues with the Fall update that we rolled out a couple of days ago. I just spoke to the Dashboard team, and they are aware of it and working on an update that we will rolling out in a matter of hours, not days. If you already have the update and you are connected to Xbox Live and playing games etc., then you can continue on with your day. If you are having problems, call your local Xbox Support number (get your local number from Xbox.com) and they’ll get you taken care of. I’ll update this post when the update is available, but as I said…if you are up and running now on Live…you don’t have anything to worry about and this won’t affect you.

Edit: An updated version of the Fall Update is now available on Xbox Live which has elminated issues relating to new or refurbished consoles failing after applying the Fall Update. Users who have already applied the Fall Update and are seeing an error message should call their local Xbox Support telephone number. If you already have the update, you will not be prompted for another update.



The last update has to be...updated right after the update as well. Between this and the Uno pack (an Uno pack!) having to be pulled down and fixed right after release, Microsoft's QA isn't looking so hot right now.

And Kabouter is vindicated. :p
glad to see the problem was taken care of quickly.. but too bad the problem occurred in the first place :(

and, yeah, Kabouter and Kabouter's Dutch source vindicated..
 
Mojovonio said:
man, leave it to MS to kill their own systems, huh.

I once downloaded a Windows Update Patch for a WinME machine.

The system never booted again. :/




I ended up installing Win98 SE.
 
Nino said:
Why would a Dutch source be any less plausible than an English source? And you're threatening to ban him, an active and helpfull GAFfer, just because you can't read the source? Lame.

Oh and if you really need your English source; our techie guy is currently investigating the issue, I'll post his findings once he's done.

Because I (and the majority of the forum) couldn't read it and at the time he posted it, there was nowhere else online reporting it?

Apologies, Kabouter, I owe you a coke!
 
Rorschach said:
Is it just me or does the console take longer to get from initial boot to the dashboard? :\

Thank God... I thought I was going crazy or that my 360 was going to die again...

I can't believe this though, well, I should say I can believe the issues here with this company... Everytime I see windows updates, I cringe and worry... and looks like this console is no different... Between this and the VGA support issues, man...

Oh well, glad that it's "VERY" few ppl according to the Major......

*on a side note- wayyy over the 5-day mark to get my new power-brick, called them up the other day, they didn't send it like they said they were... talked to a supervisor, he's shipping one express, should have it Friday... or I'm going to flip the **** out...
 
Onix said:
I once downloaded a Windows Update Patch for a WinME machine.

The system never booted again. :/




I ended up installing Win98 SE.

You used windows ME?

you're lucky that's all that happened.
 
Had my first lockup since Jan-Feb with the new update and the Rainbow 6 demo. I'll hook it up tomorrow to get the new patch.. :/
 
I just bought my 360 four days ago... fortunately the update didn't harm it. But that's really terrible to all who were affected. :(

These firmware updates seem to be Goddamned puzzling to say the least.
 
HokieJoe said:
:lol

Yeah, I'd say a lot of people did that- myself included. WinME gave me a tangible appreciation for what plug-n-pray really meant.
I had Windows ME.

Averaged two hard crashes per day. Ultimately crashed and took the hard drive with it.
 
J-Rzez said:
Thank God... I thought I was going crazy or that my 360 was going to die again...

I can't believe this though, well, I should say I can believe the issues here with this company... Everytime I see windows updates, I cringe and worry... and looks like this console is no different... Between this and the VGA support issues, man...

Oh well, glad that it's "VERY" few ppl according to the Major......

*on a side note- wayyy over the 5-day mark to get my new power-brick, called them up the other day, they didn't send it like they said they were... talked to a supervisor, he's shipping one express, should have it Friday... or I'm going to flip the **** out...

yeah it seems like its takes longer to start up now...but shorter to open your account and connect to LIVE
 
GhaleonEB said:
I had Windows ME.

Averaged two hard crashes per day. Ultimately crashed and took the hard drive with it.


Geez, I feel lucky. WinME was bad but it never cratered my HDD. =|

Of course I had what I consider the best HDD of all time: IBM Deskstar 20GB/7200rpm
Haha, that was before later iterations of faulty drives rechristened it with the moniker 'IBM Deathstar'.
 
GhaleonEB said:
I had Windows ME.

Averaged two hard crashes per day. Ultimately crashed and took the hard drive with it.

I suffered through 3.1, 95, 98, OS6, OS7, and ME. When I finally got Win 2000, I was soooo happy.
 
Shogmaster said:
I suffered through 3.1, 95, 98, OS6, OS7, and ME. When I finally got Win 2000, I was soooo happy.

Wow, it's like you were averse to good operating systems.

My family refused to use windows until 95 (DOSSHELL prior), 95 suited our needs well. We sat on that until Win 98SE, which I still hold as my favorite version of Windows. Then XP Pro, then OS X.

I'd say my progression at least showed some sort of progress from worse to better ;)
 
I had just gotten my X360 back from MS today after I had to send it out for its first repair. Downloaded the update and BAM! E17. I talked to a MS rep on the phone and she told me that "millions" of users are having this update and having problems and Microsoft is working very, very hard to fix it.
She then told me to call back in 24-48 hours, because they might have a way to magically transform this white freakin' brick connected to my TV back into a X360. When I told her I'd rather just send it in for repair she said, "Fine, yeah, I can do that, but it will cost $139.
What? This is some CRAPOLA.
 
todayzee said:
I had just gotten my X360 back from MS today after I had to send it out for its first repair. Downloaded the update and BAM! E17. I talked to a MS rep on the phone and she told me that "millions" of users are having this update and having problems and Microsoft is working very, very hard to fix it.
She then told me to call back in 24-48 hours, because they might have a way to magically transform this white freakin' brick connected to my TV back into a X360. When I told her I'd rather just send it in for repair she said, "Fine, yeah, I can do that, but it will cost $139.
What? This is some CRAPOLA.

uhm


i don't believe. i can hear your bullsh*t through the internet.
 
I don't really understand how this could happen. Isn't everyone running the same exact hardware, and the same exact software, how would this brick some consoles but not all of them? :/
 
Surreal said:
Isn't everyone running the same exact hardware, and the same exact software

Well for one, it's well known that not every 360 has the same DVD drive, right? There are 360s with Hitachi drives and 360s with Samsung drives.

So if that's the case, it's probably safe to guess there might be other differences in the hardware.

As a rule of thumb, consoles may outwardly look identical and function exactly the same to you, but console makers are constantly revising the internals to make the machine cheaper and easier to manufacture, or to try to curb piracy and hacking.

This was true of the Gamecube, PS2, and xbox last generation, and there's no reason to believe it's not true for the 360, PS3, and Wii this generation.
 
Surreal said:
I don't really understand how this could happen. Isn't everyone running the same exact hardware, and the same exact software, how would this brick some consoles but not all of them? :/
The update was apparently only bricking new consoles (with older manufacturing dates) or consoles replaced at the service center... hence why consoles in ongoing everyday use with prior updates in their firmware weren't affected.

Should replacement consoles be fully patched at the service center before they get issued to customers? Yeah, but hey that's not about to change anytime soon.

As for todayzee's problem, he's going to have a warranty on that replacement system for "a minimum" of 30 days from its ship out date, so that rep attempting to gouge him for an additional $139 was clearly misinformed. A quick call back to 1-800-4MYXBOX in the morning should be able to get that confusion straightened out... although another in-warranty repair is going to be a requirement. No getting around that, I'm afraid.
 
There have been what, 6 million consoles shipped? Yeah, that lady was either terrible at her job or just frustrated.

One silver lining in all this is that MS has sort of made this return and repair thing an efficient part of their operation.

Of all the problems I've read about, people seem satisfied now dealing with MS.
 
todayzee said:
I had just gotten my X360 back from MS today after I had to send it out for its first repair. Downloaded the update and BAM! E17. I talked to a MS rep on the phone and she told me that "millions" of users are having this update and having problems and Microsoft is working very, very hard to fix it.
She then told me to call back in 24-48 hours, because they might have a way to magically transform this white freakin' brick connected to my TV back into a X360. When I told her I'd rather just send it in for repair she said, "Fine, yeah, I can do that, but it will cost $139.
What?

^^^
This is some CRAPOLA.


Bolded for truth. Thanks for the hyperbole. You're quite wrong about several things, how's that working out for you?


Surreal said:
I don't really understand how this could happen. Isn't everyone running the same exact hardware, and the same exact software, how would this brick some consoles but not all of them? :/


I'm not at liberty to say, but I know it's a pretty unique case and I couldn't imagine the number to be close to, much less over, the 1% that was quoted, worldwide.
 
Yeah, that looks a little exaggerated.

However, I did call about my XBOX (it died on me after the update) and the guy walked me through some steps. The system actually got worse as we went along (once removing the hard drive, particularly).

He told me that they were having problems with the update, and 'lots' of people were calling (his words). He also told me that they would have to repair the system at the repair center, which would cost me.

Luckily I had a warranty from EBStop; but if I didn't, I'd be extremely pissed to have to pay for repairs when it was their update that killed it.
 
Vyer said:
He also told me that they would have to repair the system at the repair center, which would cost me.


HOW IS THAT LEGAL?


Seriously ... even if your system is out of warranty, how could they not be legally responsible for SW that they mandate you load?
 
Onix said:
HOW IS THAT LEGAL?


Seriously ... even if your system is out of warranty, how could they not be legally responsible for SW that they mandate you load?


Misinformed call rep is my guess. They might still make you foot the bill for shipping it though. I don't know what the final end result is, but I doubt the real end result is that they'll charge you for an out of warranty repair.



Vyer said:
However, I did call about my XBOX (it died on me after the update) and the guy walked me through some steps. The system actually got worse as we went along (once removing the hard drive, particularly).


Can you provide some more detail? from what I know about this whole thing, your xbox can't get "worse" than what happens if the update affects it. HDD or not.
 
A friend had this happen to him, and he got the same line... $140 to fix the system. He bitched at a supervisor and they offered to do it for $70. That's still the most ridiculous thing ever, though.

Did anyone ever get this resolved to their satisfaction, without paying a cent? You know, like, you should?
 
Ravidrath said:
A friend had this happen to him, and he got the same line... $140 to fix the system. He bitched at a supervisor and they offered to do it for $70. That's still the most ridiculous thing ever, though.

Did anyone ever get this resolved to their satisfaction, without paying a cent? You know, like, you should?
Wow crazy. The fear of Blue Screen Of Death again.
 
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