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The thread I posted has a list of people owning some of the tv's that would interest you, but according to your budget I would suggest you wait for heavy discounts for Sony X900H as it's around $999 for 55" now and should get closer to your budget range around like early-mid 2021 clearance prices.
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And another question... So as I'm understanding if I want to judge a TV's HDR capabilities, I have to check the "nits". However, the sites I'm looking at doesn't show this value. So that means I have to individually research every TV I'm eyeing with to be able to decide?
 
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Yep, checking it, thanks!
And another question... So as I'm understanding if I want to judge a TV's HDR capabilities, I have to check the "nits". However, the sites I'm looking at doesn't show this value. So that means I have to individually research every TV I'm eyeing with to be able to decide?
Nits is only one matter of it. LG C9 and CX have slightly higher nits to Sony's OLED, yet the HDR and color performance is miles ahead and you can't tell the difference. Nits are still very important but processing and color algorithms differ. My very short list for next gen game after so many videos and reviews are LG C9/CX and Sony X900H.

Now, it all depends on the individual.
 

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Nits is only one matter of it. LG C9 and CX have slightly higher nits to Sony's OLED, yet the HDR and color performance is miles ahead and you can't tell the difference. Nits are still very important but processing and color algorithms differ. My very short list for next gen game after so many videos and reviews are LG C9/CX and Sony X900H.

Now, it all depends on the individual.
Clear, but then how am I to judge it without checking the screens myself?
So let's say we are in October and I want to buy the new TV. You recommended me some TVs but I still would like to check if I have other options now etc. How can I decide which TV has better HDR without looking at them myself? As you said checking the nits is just one aspect. It's still not clear how will I know which TV is the best choice for me in value/price.
 
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Clear, but then how am I to judge it without checking the screens myself?
So let's say we are in October and I want to buy the new TV. You recommended me some TVs but I still would like to check if I have other options now etc. How can I decide which TV has better HDR without looking at them myself? As you said checking the nits is just one aspect. It's still not clear how will I know which TV is the best choice for me in value/price.
You also have to consider your room environment, too bright and the perfect blacks of oled will be lost as well as the punchy colors. Reflections might also be a concern.
 

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You also have to consider your room environment, too bright and the perfect blacks of oled will be lost as well as the punchy colors. Reflections might also be a concern.
I can make my room dark easily, so that won't be a problem.
But as I said I want to know the criteria on which I should base my choice in the future. I have no chance to check all the TV is find in reality so I need to know what to look out for when I'm checking the specs on paper. Nits in itself is not enough, I was told.
What I gathered is my best choice would be an OLED with around 800 nits. And what's the difference between an OLED and a QLED TV? A simple LED TV is objectively inferior to those, right? What about burn ins?
 

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I can make my room dark easily, so that won't be a problem.
But as I said I want to know the criteria on which I should base my choice in the future. I have no chance to check all the TV is find in reality so I need to know what to look out for when I'm checking the specs on paper. Nits in itself is not enough, I was told.
What I gathered is my best choice would be an OLED with around 800 nits. And what's the difference between an OLED and a QLED TV? A simple LED TV is objectively inferior to those, right? What about burn ins?
high-end OLED is the best quality you can currently get, high-end QLED is the next best thing. QLED has brightness(and perhaps better HDR) and no burn-on over OLED and OLED has perfect blacks and infinite contrast. In a dark room you should lean towards OLED.

Latest OLEDs are designed around burn-in and seem pretty resilient(haven't seen burn-in pics of the C9/CX so far) but they also have an aggressive auto-brightness limiter according to RTINGS.

 
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Yep, checking it, thanks!
And another question... So as I'm understanding if I want to judge a TV's HDR capabilities, I have to check the "nits". However, the sites I'm looking at doesn't show this value. So that means I have to individually research every TV I'm eyeing with to be able to decide?
I have the 55 inch Sony X900H. A Chinese review translated with google said its was around 850 nits with 32 FALD zones. Most OLEDs i believe are around 800. All i can say for sure is if you are using a X900H in a room with one lamp for a light source and you jack the brightness to max you will have a good migraine going in about 10 mins if that. Thing gets stupid bright.
 

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Clear, but then how am I to judge it without checking the screens myself?
So let's say we are in October and I want to buy the new TV. You recommended me some TVs but I still would like to check if I have other options now etc. How can I decide which TV has better HDR without looking at them myself? As you said checking the nits is just one aspect. It's still not clear how will I know which TV is the best choice for me in value/price.
In that thread there are people owning those tv's, they should give you the necessary feedback. One of them own both the C9 and X900H, so he can give you his thoughts and you make up your mind. There is no perfect tv yet, the perfect tv will come in 2024-2025 which is the microLED tech.

As for HDR performance, both C9/CX and X900H are wonderful. Samsungs are wonderful but in gaming mode they are pale and crappy, which is the mode you'll be playing in:



Note that is X950H and has no HDMI 2.1, you should wait until we get full reviews of X900H and after the HDMI 2.1 firmware update. By October everything should be clear.
 
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I have the 55 inch Sony X900H. A Chinese review translated with google said its was around 850 nits with 32 FALD zones. Most OLEDs i believe are around 800. All i can say for sure is if you are using a X900H in a room with one lamp for a light source and you jack the brightness to max you will have a good migraine going in about 10 mins if that. Thing gets stupid bright.
Yup, that's why I set my older Sony to auto. During night it's seriously eye-melting, and I think my 2016 DX70 is around 600-nits.

In OLED's sometimes the white look gray-ish due to pixel self protection against burn in.

Those are mostly minor issues/negatives that most people won't really notice, honestly speaking. You'll be happy with most of the choices.
 

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In that thread there are people owning those tv's, they should give you the necessary feedback. One of them own both the C9 and X900H, so he can give you his thoughts and you make up your mind. There is no perfect tv yet, the perfect tv will come in 2024-2025 which is the microLED tech.

As for HDR performance, both C9/CX and X900H are wonderful. Samsungs are wonderful but in gaming mode they are pale and crappy, which is the mode you'll be playing in:



Not that is X950H and has no HDMI 2.1, you should wait until we get full reviews of X900H and after the HDMI 2.1 firmware update. By October everything should be clear.
I'm starting to read it, I just hoped that there would be some criteria to check because by the time I will be able to buy there will may be other TVs for cheaper that are similiar in value to those. So I just wanted to know what to look for in the specs.
 
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I'm starting to read it, I just hoped that there would be some criteria to check because by the time I will be able to buy there will may be other TVs for cheaper that are similiar in value to those. So I just wanted to know what to look for in the specs.
I'll try to keep it updated, so far the HDMI 2.1 update for Sony X900H isn't out yet, and Vincent from that channel above said it should be out within weeks from now.

 
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I'm starting to read it, I just hoped that there would be some criteria to check because by the time I will be able to buy there will may be other TVs for cheaper that are similiar in value to those. So I just wanted to know what to look for in the specs.
Best TV for you depends on various factors. Currently OLEDs provide best pic in a dark environment even with lower nits then LEDs. Also have a chance of image retention or burn in though.

LEDs are brighter, have more nits but lack the black contrast of OLEDs. Best for well lit rooms. no chance of burn in.

Usually flagships are the best TVs but will ofc cost more.

If HDMI 2.1 is important for you(it should) LG are the ones that offer them most currently.

Check reviews around the time you intend to buy as tech changes quickly these days.
 
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tbh take it from someone whos owned all sort of tvs for gaming. resolution is not the number one thing to look for when you want a clear picture but the tvs motion handling. Plasmas to this day for big tvs are king at motion,no blur even compared to new oleds and the picture looks better then any 4k tv because the picture is clear in motion when playing a game, unless your looking at static pictures
I have an old 2013ish Panasonic plasma. It is 50" and 1080p and i am not 'upgrading' it till the damn thing breaks.
 

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I'll try to keep it updated, so far the HDMI 2.1 update for Sony X900H isn't out yet, and Vincent from that channel above said it should be out within weeks from now.

You can't take advantage of HDMI 2.1 at the moment, but come fall and new GPU's along with new consoles hit the market that's when it'll get relevant until then there's no rush for Sony to release firmware update I assume.
 
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You can't take advantage of HDMI 2.1 at the moment, but come fall and new GPU's along with new consoles hit the market that's when it'll get relevant until then there's no rush for Sony to release firmware update I assume.
Yup, I'm getting it around black friday or along with PS5. So far, no need to rush. It's always better to wait and see your final options in hand.
 

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This was one of the TVs I was checking. So if I understood correctly, with this TV the problem would be that HDR would disappoint me?
Problem is with samsung that they severely sacrifice image quality when in game mode. That's why I personally don't recommend them due to pricetag, lack of Dolby Vision, and not sure if it supports 100% HDMI 2.1 to be honest. Xbox One X I think already supports Dolby Vision, and I think both XSX and PS5 will do which is still the superior HDR tech so far.
 
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Clear, but then how am I to judge it without checking the screens myself?
You can't. Nothing beats first hand knowledge. What I do is I put some demos of content on a USB stick then I go to local TV shop and try them out and play around with the TVs. Or if the store is good with returns you could always order it home and play with it and usually you have 14 days to return it, but that's very much dependent on shop policy.

Don't trust in spec numbers, because they are misleading. Like you will see TVs with many more local dimming zones but they end up performing poorly because the algorithm can't handle it properly, and to see an extreme example look at something like TCL 8 series (X10 in EU) which has 1000s of zones vs a higher-end Sony LCD with like 48 zones and the Sony still does a better job. Look at this, black crush for days (at 4:01) not to mention how horrible the colours are.

X10 vs XF90 (look at the zone difference - and it means nothing!)



If you want just the numbers then have RTINGS.com as a reference, and become very good friends with that site. It will provide you a good overview of just tech specs but DO NOT TRUST their scores (they give a grade for each category) - they are very stupid! Another thing to be aware of is that sometimes you'll see measurements in one mode over the other but the TV doesn't behave the same in both modes, that's why I recommend Sony so much - there are no such shenanigans.




At the end of the day, yes, you do have to research the TVs individually. But cheer up, there's usually little choice in Europe (LG OLED vs Sony LED vs Samsung QLED), and if you don't want to spend a lot then the choices are even fewer. :messenger_grinning_sweat:
 
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Problem is with samsung that they severely sacrifice image quality when in game mode. That's why I personally don't recommend them due to pricetag, lack of Dolby Vision, and not sure if it supports 100% HDMI 2.1 to be honest.
Can't speak for the lower end QLEDs but the my Q950R doesn't lift blacks nearly as much as shown in those HDTVtest videos. It seems more that the brightness takes a slight hit than blacks get lifted to greyish territory.

Samsung at least has game motion plus to greatly reduce judder from 30 fps games.

Dolby Vision seems more like a bonus if regular HDR is handled very well by the TV.
 
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Can't speak for the lower end QLEDs but the my Q950R doesn't lift blacks nearly as much as shown in those HDTVtest videos. It seems more that the brightness takes a slight hit than blacks get lifted to greyish territory.

Samsung at least has game motion plus to greatly reduce judder from 30 fps games.

Dolby Vision seems more like a bonus if regular HDR is handled very well by the TV.
Maybe it's a lower/mid range problem with HDR? Not sure.

And for motion, Samsung is great there as well, but Sony seems to be the best with 240Hz x-motion clarity for both 24/30fps content. You can't go wrong either way.
 

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Maybe it's a lower/mid range problem with HDR? Not sure.

And for motion, Samsung is great there as well, but Sony seems to be the best with 240Hz x-motion clarity for both 24/30fps content. You can't go wrong either way.
But I read Sony's motion handling is excellent for movies but less so for sports and gaming.
 
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You can't. Nothing beats first hand knowledge. What I do is I put some demos of content on a USB stick then I go to local TV shop and try them out and play around with the TVs. Or if the store is good with returns you could always order it home and play with it and usually you have 14 days to return it, but that's very much dependent on shop policy.

Don't trust in spec numbers, because they are misleading. Like you will see TVs with many more local dimming zones but they end up performing poorly because the algorithm can't handle it properly, and to see an extreme example look at something like TCL 8 series (X10 in EU) which has 1000s of zones vs a higher-end Sony LCD with like 48 zones and the Sony still does a better job. Look at this, black crush for days (at 4:01) not to mention how horrible the colours are.

X10 vs XF90 (look at the zone difference - and it means nothing!)



If you want just the numbers then have RTINGS.com as a reference, and become very good friends with that site. It will provide you a good overview of just tech specs but DO NOT TRUST their scores (they give a grade for each category) - they are very stupid! Another thing to be aware of is that sometimes you'll see measurements in one mode over the other but the TV doesn't behave the same in both modes, that's why I recommend Sony so much - there are no such shenanigans.




At the end of the day, yes, you do have to research the TVs individually. But cheer up, there's usually little choice in Europe (LG OLED vs Sony LED vs Samsung QLED), and if you don't want to spend a lot then the choices are even fewer. :messenger_grinning_sweat:
Damn, this is more complicated than buying a new car.:messenger_grinning_sweat:

Bo_Hazem Bo_Hazem Can't I turn off this game mode thing on Samsung TVs? HDMI 2.1 is not important for me, because I don't care about 120 fps and there is no tearing on my 10 year old Samsung TV so I assume there wouldn't be tearing at that one either because developers eliminate that usually, no?
And I get that the HDR on that TV is not that good but wouldn't it look leaps and bounds better than my current TV anyway?
 
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Damn, this is more complicated than buying a new car.:messenger_grinning_sweat:

Bo_Hazem Bo_Hazem Can't I turn off this game mode thing on Samsung TVs? HDMI 2.1 is not important for me, because I don't care about 120 fps and there is no tearing on my 10 year old Samsung TV so I assume there wouldn't be tearing at that one either because developers eliminate that usually, no?
And I get that the HDR on that TV is not that good but wouldn't it look leaps and bounds better than my current TV anyway?
Without VRR, tearing isn’t determined by the TV, but by the game. You have probably played a bunch of games with screen tearing, but may not be sensitive to it.
 

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Damn, this is more complicated than buying a new car.:messenger_grinning_sweat:

Bo_Hazem Bo_Hazem Can't I turn off this game mode thing on Samsung TVs? HDMI 2.1 is not important for me, because I don't care about 120 fps and there is no tearing on my 10 year old Samsung TV so I assume there wouldn't be tearing at that one either because developers eliminate that usually, no?
And I get that the HDR on that TV is not that good but wouldn't it look leaps and bounds better than my current TV anyway?
It will look much more better than yours, but why pay twice as much when you can already have all the HDMI 2.1 goodies with a mid-range X900H at $999? I've never had any tearing issues, not in my older 2015 4K LG LCD nor my current 2016 4K HDR Sony DX70. Which Samsung tv are you aiming for? I recommend watching this video: (he made a mistake for X900H price, it starts at $999 for 55")



Watch it all from the beginning. Upscaling is another matter as well. It's a very complicated matter and I've been watching endless videos and comparisons since months.
 
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It will look much more better than yours, but why pay twice as much when you can already have all the HDMI 2.1 goodies with a mid-range X900H at $999? I've never had any tearing issues, not in my older 2015 4K LG LCD nor my current 2016 4K HDR Sony DX70. Which Samsung tv are you aiming for? I recommend watching this video: (he made a mistake for X900H price, it starts at $999 for 55")



Watch it all from the beginning. Upscaling is another matter as well. It's a very complicated matter and I've been watching endless videos and comparisons since months.
This one: https://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-43-class-qled-q60-series-4k-uhd-tv-smart-led-with-hdr/6401760.p?skuId=6401760&intl=nosplash
But I suppose based on the posts here the HDR would not be good enough in this TV.
Mind you, my original intent was to buy a small (I don't need a large TV and the PPI would be better in a smaller) 4K TV with HDR for around 400-500 €, but the posts in this thread convinced me that such option just doesn't exist. So I would like to get some opinions about the HDR in this TV. I get that it's far from the best at this price but would this really be a bad buy for me compared to my 10 year old TV?
 
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This one: https://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-43-class-qled-q60-series-4k-uhd-tv-smart-led-with-hdr/6401760.p?skuId=6401760&intl=nosplash
But I suppose based on the posts here the HDR would not be good enough in this TV.
Mind you, my original intent was to buy a small (I don't need a large TV and the PPI would be better in a smaller) 4K TV with HDR for around 400-500 €, but the posts in this thread convinced me that such option just doesn't exist. So I would like to get some opinions about the HDR in this TV. I get that it's far from the best at this price but would this really be a bad buy for me compared to my 10 year old TV?
It'll be a massive upgrade over your current one, don't worry, here:




And around the same price and size 43":




I can't recommend LG LCD's though.
 
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Just buy an LG OLED. It's pretty simple. C9 or CX. Take your pick.
I don't want to spend that much. I just want a small as can be TV with decent HDR, it doesn't have to be the top of the line, but it should impress me with the HDR since I have been hearing a lot about it for the past couple of years and want to experience it.
 
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This one: https://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-43-class-qled-q60-series-4k-uhd-tv-smart-led-with-hdr/6401760.p?skuId=6401760&intl=nosplash
But I suppose based on the posts here the HDR would not be good enough in this TV.
Mind you, my original intent was to buy a small (I don't need a large TV and the PPI would be better in a smaller) 4K TV with HDR for around 400-500 €, but the posts in this thread convinced me that such option just doesn't exist. So I would like to get some opinions about the HDR in this TV. I get that it's far from the best at this price but would this really be a bad buy for me compared to my 10 year old TV?
It looks like a decent mid range. It has wide color gamut and good input lag for gaming. I would be a bit concerned about no local dimming, and this quote.

The Q60R has mediocre peak brightness in HDR. Small, bright highlights in some scenes aren't very bright and don't stand out the way they should in HDR. These results are significantly worse than the Q6FN, and closer to the NU7100.


Take a look through these and see if there's anything else you like before making a final decision. (Although it does say that the one you are looking at is best in class for that size)

 
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I don't want to spend that much. I just want a small as can be TV with decent HDR, it doesn't have to be the top of the line, but it should impress me with the HDR since I have been hearing a lot about it for the past couple of years and want to experience it.
I respect that. Buying TVs can be a fucking minefield. Hope you're able to find something suitable for your needs.
 

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It looks like a decent mid range. It has wide color gamut and good input lag for gaming. I would be a bit concerned about no local dimming, and this quote.



Take a look through these and see if there's anything else you like before making a final decision. (Although it does say that the one you are looking at is best in class for that size)

This particular one QE43Q60 (which is not exactly same codename, what's the difference?) will be soon out of stock where I would buy the TV. What do you say, should I buy it now or wait until Autumn? Is it possible that I will have better choices then?
 
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This particular one QE43Q60 (which is not exactly same codename, what's the difference?) will be soon out of stock where I would buy the TV. What do you say, should I buy it now or wait until Autumn? Is it possible that I will have better choices then?
EU/NA usually get different SKU #'s for a reason I don't understand (Pal vs NTSC or something maybe?)

Your choices aren't going to much better come Autumn as TV's are usually announced at CES in the spring and most of the 2020 models are on the shelf already. Buying a TV at this time of year you are either trying to buy last years model at end of life pricing, (Which is what you are doing,) or waiting until Black Friday to get a better deal on the 2020 models.
 
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idiots wanted to justify having the c9 over CX. CX is vastly superior and will get all the firmware updates.
In the UK, CX doesn't even have iPlayer, More4 or ITV player. Shambolic. C9 has those and is also £500 cheaper, which is likely the price of a PS5. Buying C9 over CX is a no-brainer. CX is not 'vastly superior'.
 
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EU/NA usually get different SKU #'s for a reason I don't understand (Pal vs NTSC or something maybe?)

Your choices aren't going to much better come Autumn as TV's are usually announced at CES in the spring and most of the 2020 models are on the shelf already. Buying a TV at this time of year you are either trying to buy last years model at end of life pricing, (Which is what you are doing,) or waiting until Black Friday to get a better deal on the 2020 models.
Decisions, decisions... I have to check some tests what they say about its HDR capabilities. I saw it can do 500 nits which is far from the desired 1000 but I imagine it would still amaze me until I see what a real 1000 nits TV can do. Anyway, I think I'm starting to have a grasp about this whole thing thanks to you and all the other posters. Much appreciated!
 
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idiots wanted to justify having the c9 over CX. CX is vastly superior and will get all the firmware updates.
I paid 1200 euros for C9 recently, CX current price is 2000 euros that is 40% increase. Not such a great value is it? In 2021 people will be buying CX because it will present better value once new lineup drops.
 
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This one: https://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-43-class-qled-q60-series-4k-uhd-tv-smart-led-with-hdr/6401760.p?skuId=6401760&intl=nosplash
But I suppose based on the posts here the HDR would not be good enough in this TV.
Mind you, my original intent was to buy a small (I don't need a large TV and the PPI would be better in a smaller) 4K TV with HDR for around 400-500 €, but the posts in this thread convinced me that such option just doesn't exist. So I would like to get some opinions about the HDR in this TV. I get that it's far from the best at this price but would this really be a bad buy for me compared to my 10 year old TV?
I wouldn't worry as much about ppi. 4k looks good even stretched on movie theater screens(iirc, hollywood cinema films are 4k, if I'm not mistaken).

If the screen is too small, you won't be able to discern the added detail of 4k unless you sit extremely close. The CX 49 inch oled is said to have PPI above most larger 8k screens. But even large 8k screens people with far above average vision can barely tell the difference from 4k.
Sony for movies, LG for sports and gaming.
isn't it the opposite? HUDs for heavy gaming or sports could cause burn in. Also the auto brightness limiting could be notable on some sports like ice hockey.

While oleds are perfect for movies.
 

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CX uses a 10bit panel. C9 uses a 12.

A couple other things as well like the higher bandwidth on the c9

Everything I read says the C9 is a 10bit panel. I'm not sure why Vincent is saying 12bit in regards to the C9 in that video. I know some people think there will be an improvement to colour if a 12bit signal is pushed to a 10bit panel but this hasn't been proven. Maybe that's why Vincent says "theoretically"? Is there even any 12bit content?
 
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When it comes to picture there's minimal change in the quality from the 2019 C9 to the 2020 CX for example.

I think there may be a few new features present in the CX, but not enough to warrant a $4-500 price jump. The latest talk I came across for these two was that the C9 has 48 gbps bandwidth for HDMI 2.1 versus the 40 on the CX. Doesn't affect much for gameplay. Remains to be seen though.
There is nothing ”remains to be seen”. Both TVs will work exactly the same. 40Gbps will still do 4K@120hz 10 Bit. The TVs are 10bit panels. The only thing lost was 4k@120hz 12 bit that the C9 can’t do because it also is a 10bit display. Denon is releasing their new surround receivers next month and their HDMI 2.1 port is only 40Gbps. The research companies see is that the 48Gbps isn’t needed because the max displays we see that have HDMI 2.1 will only be 10Bit panels.
 

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CX uses a 10bit panel. C9 uses a 12.

A couple other things as well like the higher bandwidth on the c9

there is no 12bit tvs on the market. Like this is completely incorrect. I own the C9 77 and 55. It is a 10bit panel. The on;y reason 2019 OLEDs came out with 48GBPS is because they were the first to have it. After reasearching they realized among other companies in the industry that 48 isn’t needed. Your not going to get the benefits of a 48Gbps when the panels are on;y 10bit. You may be ab;e to tell the gpu to display 12bit Which I can now with a 2080ti HDMI 2.0 card but no change in picture quality.

Also Vincent was one of the few that came out whining Like the FOMO dude that called it a downgrade before doing their research.
 
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Guys all in all, should l go for the SONY or LG OLED ?
4 HDMI 2.1 ports on the 2019 and 2020 Lg models. Plus one of the best pictures for anything you want to do with the display. Most other manufactures are offering only 1-2 HDMI 2.1 ports. I like that LG stuck with 4 es-ecoally since Denon announced for their new HDMI 2.1 receivers it will only have 1 2.1 port. PC, PS5 and XSX cover 3 ports while HDMI 2 is used for EARC for sound to the receiver. Win win
 

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There is nothing ”remains to be seen”. Both TVs will work exactly the same. 40Gbps will still do 4K@120hz 10 Bit. The TVs are 10bit panels. The only thing lost was 4k@120hz 12 bit that the C9 can’t do because it also is a 10bit display. Denon is releasing their new surround receivers next month and their HDMI 2.1 port is only 40Gbps. The research companies see is that the 48Gbps isn’t needed because the max displays we see that have HDMI 2.1 will only be 10Bit panels.
Sorry, didn't realize we had professionals in here. I'll refrain from this thread.
 

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This particular one QE43Q60 (which is not exactly same codename, what's the difference?) will be soon out of stock where I would buy the TV. What do you say, should I buy it now or wait until Autumn? Is it possible that I will have better choices then?
Like I said before, if you want HDR you're pissing your money away on something that doesn't at least HAVE local dimming (that's the most important part! not 500 vs 1000 nits). Secondly, you can't go by reviews that are done on 55" TVs or above for Samsung under 55" because those smaller ones all get worse panels & processing but they don't get reviewed. The only reason we know the difference is because of consumer testing (aka buy & get burned). Feel free to scour AVSForums & AVForums.

Waiting is good, because you will see huge drops in prices for black friday (i.e. what the TVs should be priced at in the first place). Never ever buy a TV before black friday unless it's last year's model and it's already discounted.
 
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