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[kAmui-]

Something I've never understood is why Eva jumped in the fire. I forget if she didn't actually know it was Solidus and not Big Boss. It'd make sense if she thought it was legitimately Big Boss but even then the emotional impact is kind of ruined under the hilarity of her jumping in fire over a mistaken corpse lol

I find it pretty emotionally well done but these things have always held me back from really "feeling it"

My understading is that Eva knows it's Solidus which makes this scene even more absurd.

This cutscene might be the epitome of what make MGS so great for me. The contrast between the super serious stuff and the comedy is so great. First we get Snake witnessing her mothers death and right after that a monkey just walks in.

 

[brandonh83]

My understading is that Eva knows it's Solidus which makes this scene even more absurd.

This cutscene might be the epitome of what make MGS so great for me. The contrast between the super serious stuff and the comedy is so great. First we get Snake witnessing her mothers death and right after that a monkey just walks in.

Yeah urgh. Not a big fan of that. I don't take it very seriously but the series has some pretty legitimate emotional value. That sequence should not have been capped off with that.

 

[Revven]

Worst briefing incoming. Eurgh.

 

[BadWolf]

My understading is that Eva knows it's Solidus which makes this scene even more absurd.

If Big Boss wasn't there then how did Ocelot take over the SOP system?

 

[brandonh83]

I feel like ordering pizza.

 

[Sub_Level]

If Big Boss wasn't there then how did Ocelot take over the SOP system?

Solidus has the same genetic code as Big Boss. It gives him the correct key to SOP. He inputs the key through GW.

There is one problem with this: GW was a planned loss in MGS2. The Patriots WANTED GW to be destroyed with Emma's virus. President Johnson, Ocelot, and Olga do all they can to facilitate Raiden stopping Solidus from gaining access to GW. Johnson himself gives Raiden the virus (the worm). It is a bit ridiculous that they would have an oversight of this proportion, with a pieced together GW being used against them. Not a big deal but it bothers me a little.

 

[NoctisVsStar]

Old snake is depressing to see Jesus ;_;

 

[StopMakingSense]

If Big Boss wasn't there then how did Ocelot take over the SOP system?

Solidus is an exact clone, unlike Snake and Liquid.

 

[Sub_Level]

I like this Act 4 Briefing, even with the IT WAS RAINING THE DAY I WAS BORN ;_;

 

[Genryu]

I like this Act 4 Briefing, even with the IT WAS RAINING THE DAY I WAS BORN ;_;

No you've got it all wrong Sub_Level

You were the lightning in that rain.

 

[NoctisVsStar]

All joking aside that scene was emotional.

 

[StopMakingSense]

I like how this is all predicated on the fact that the US never bother recovering Rex's nuke.

Broken Arrow? Meh.

 

[BadWolf]

Always really liked that scene.

Solidus is an exact clone, unlike Snake and Liquid.

Solidus has the same genetic code as Big Boss. It gives him the correct key to SOP. He inputs the key through GW.

There is one problem with this: GW was a planned loss in MGS2. The Patriots WANTED GW to be destroyed with Emma's virus. President Johnson, Ocelot, and Olga do all they can to facilitate Raiden stopping Solidus from gaining access to GW. Johnson himself gives Raiden the virus (the worm). It is a bit ridiculous that they would have an oversight of this proportion, with a pieced together GW being used against them. Not a big deal but it bothers me a little.

Ah, I see.

The Patriots aren't perfect, they also fell for Ocelot's Liquid trick.

And the virus was created by Emma, not them.

 

[Dambrosi]

No you've got it all wrong Sub_Level

You were the lightning in that rain.

No, he was the rain, transfarred.

And the Patriots were just machines, with all the weaknesses of machines. If Snake and Sunny hadn't have stopped them they would probably have succumbed to obsolescence eventually anyway, as a static system trying to control a dynamic/chaotic world.

 

[Snkfanatic]

Awww technical difficulties I guess..

 

[BadWolf]

And the Patriots were just machines, with all the weaknesses of machines. If Snake and Sunny hadn't have stopped them they would probably have succumbed to obsolescence eventually anyway, as a static system trying to control a dynamic/chaotic world.

This, they can't account for each and every situation. Like Snake appearing on Big Shell in MGS2, for example.

 

[Dambrosi]

PICNIC

Remember, kids, buy Xsplit.

 

[djcatskratch]

Oh good, it's back!

 

[BadWolf]

Shadow Moses T_T

 

[Sub_Level]

This was brought up in an earlier post, but yes, Eva knew that body was not BB. She was actually the one to recover BB's almost-corpse and reconstruct it with Liquid and Solidus' body parts.

No, he was the rain, transfarred.

And the Patriots were just machines, with all the weaknesses of machines. If Snake and Sunny hadn't have stopped them they would probably have succumbed to obsolescence eventually anyway, as a static system trying to control a dynamic/chaotic world.

If they were truly advanced AIs, then they would be learning computers like Skynet. Not just operating on the same code for all eternity but actually expanding their worldview and become a new form of synthetic life.

 

[Snkfanatic]

What was that noise? Whose footprints are these? xD

 

[Accoun]

Damn, I don't think I paid attention to it on my playthough (or I simply didn't remember it), but they even emulate the texture/polygon skewing.

 

[KittenMaster]

This, they can't account for each and every situation. Like Snake appearing on Big Shell in MGS2, for example.

I dunno, I have actually been theorizing lately that they might actually have intended for Snake to show up

Spoiler

"they" being the other AI that show up once GW becomes fully corrupted

 

[Revven]

Act 4 at least has a good amount of tasteful easter eggs.

 

[Ridley327]

Act 4 at least has a good amount of tasteful easter eggs.

I liked how you got BP for finding them, too. It was like a prototype version of Deja Vu.

Man, the approach to the Heliport is so good. SO GOOD.

 

[Sub_Level]

I dunno, I have actually been theorizing lately that they might actually have intended for Snake to show up

Spoiler

"they" being the other AI that show up once GW becomes fully corrupted

No, the other AIs did not intend for Snake, Otacon, or Liquid to be there either. The whole point was for Raiden to carry on the mission by himself, with his codec support team and the ninja providing assistance in order to truly reflect Shadow Moses. There was no Solid Snake helping out, well, Solid Snake in Shadow Moses.

It just so happened they were still able to successfully carry out their S3 plan in spite of their appearance.

 

[Tengrave]

That shot in the helicopter of MGS1 Snake turning into Old Snake is still amazing. It looks perfect.

 

[Sub_Level]

That shot in the helicopter of MGS1 Snake turning into Old Snake is still amazing. It looks perfect.

Absolutely, but it's a shame the trailers spoiled it.

Along with Liquid's Act 1 'Activate It' cutscene.

Along with Raiden vs Vamp.

Along with Raiden vs Gekkos.

Along with the intro cutscene.

Along with the introduction cutscene of the B&B Unit.

God MGS4 trailers spoiled a lot. Only Act 5 was hidden.

 

[Dambrosi]

This was brought up in an earlier post, but yes, Eva knew that body was not BB. She was actually the one to recover BB's almost-corpse and reconstruct it with Liquid and Solidus' body parts.

If they were truly advanced AIs, then they would be learning computers like Skynet. Not just operating on the same code for all eternity but actually expanding their worldview and become a new form of synthetic life.

In that case, they would be evolving creatures, and differences would doubtlessly appear during that evolution, due to the different roles and responsibilities apportioned to the respective AIs. And the AIs were created by us flawed humans. Imperfect intelligences seeking perfection through constant experiential change, only furthering their flaws and their differences from each other...sounds familiar. And rather cool.

Not to mention they would have had to have been created in the late 80s, when 256MB hard drives would have been considered the cutting edge of miltech. But yeah, Metal Gear.

 

[BadWolf]

Nostalgia overload.

Absolutely, but it's a shame the trailers spoiled it.

Along with Liquid's Act 1 'Activate It' cutscene.

Along with Raiden vs Vamp.

Along with Raiden vs Gekkos.

Along with the intro cutscene.

Along with the introduction cutscene of the B&B Unit.

God MGS4 trailers spoiled a lot. Only Act 5 was hidden.

... and that's why I've been on a MGSV media blackout for a while now.

 

[Accoun]

Dat "Kiefer" donation.

 

[Sub_Level]

In that case, they would be evolving creatures, and differences would doubtlessly appear during that evolution, due to the different roles and responsibilities apportioned to the respective AIs. And the AIs were created by us flawed humans. Imperfect intelligences seeking perfection through constant experiential change, only furthering their flaws and their differences from each other...sounds familiar. And rather cool.

Not to mention they would have had to have been created in the late 80s, when 256MB hard drives would have been considered the cutting edge of miltech. But yeah, Metal Gear.

80s? Psh, Peace Walker already shows there was already an advanced AI in the 70s. AN AI WHICH ACTUALLY MAKES A CHOICE, THUS SHOWING SENTIENCE!

But yeah, in the final cutscene Big Boss even explains that the AIs mutated. They changed. It's what lead them from Zero's goals of creating a unified world to the war-torn world in MGS4.

 

[Ridley327]

I love that Codec call so much.

"You're...the shit!"

 

[Ostinatto]

The most funny Shit in the game.

 

[Dambrosi]

80s? Psh, Peace Walker already shows there was already an advanced AI in the 70s. AN AI WHICH ACTUALLY MAKES A CHOICE, THUS SHOWING SENTIENCE!

But yeah, in the final cutscene Big Boss even explains that the AIs mutated. They changed. It's what lead them from Zero's goals of creating a unified world to the war-torn world in MGS4.

Yeah, they mutated like viruses, and attacked the world they were supposed to unite. Or perhaps more like autoimmune disease, where white blood cells attack the body? Something like that.

I wonder if, if real viruses had sentience, they would think they were doing the right thing.

Edit: I need to finish my English Policenauts playthrough.

 

[BadWolf]

Wow.

That Gekko kill with MK.II.

That PS3 controller.

 

[brandonh83]

Holy shit I had no idea you could do that.

 

[Unknown One]

Love 3dogg monologues.

 

[BadWolf]

Love 3dogg monologues.

Mute time for me unfortunately.

 

[NoctisVsStar]

Love 3dogg monologues.

Poetic rambling so good.

Mgs4,rising fans get upset when they start saying the flaws.

 

[Sub_Level]

Mute time for me unfortunately.

Hey I love Final Fantasy VIII. I know how it feels like for a game you like to be constantly shit on lol. Luckily 3dogg and the other streamers still know a ton of stuff about MGS4 and have entertaining playthroughs.

 

[NoctisVsStar]

Hey I love Final Fantasy VIII. I know how it feels like for a game you like to be constantly shit on lol. Luckily 3dogg and the other streamers still know a ton of stuff about MGS4 and have entertaining playthroughs.

Rukia! I thought I was alone in my love for 8!

 

[brandonh83]

Hey I love Final Fantasy VIII. I know how it feels like for a game you like to be constantly shit on lol. Luckily 3dogg and the other streamers still know a ton of stuff about MGS4 and have entertaining playthroughs.

FFVIII is arguably my favorite. Definitely off topic but you're not alone.

I don't disagree with his rant about the story from this point, it's all over the place but that being said I still like plenty enough about it to give it a pass.

 

[BadWolf]

Hey I love Final Fantasy VIII. I know how it feels like for a game you like to be constantly shit on lol. Luckily 3dogg and the other streamers still know a ton of stuff about MGS4 and have entertaining playthroughs.

I love all the MGS games, would be disappointed with continuous hate for any of them. But yeah, you're right.

Also love FF8, *high five*.

 

[Unknown One]

With 3dogg and uKnighted, they both hate what MGS4 did with the characters. As an MGS fan, I hated what Kojima did with Solid Snake.

 

[Sub_Level]

Most of you may know this, but

This is the voice actor for Vamp. Phil La Marr. He was on a comedy show called Mad TV.

This boss he is fighting, Crying Wolf, is voice acted by Debra Wilson. She was also on that same comedy show.

 

[brandonh83]

With 3dogg and uKnighted, they both hate what MGS4 did with the characters. As an MGS fan, I hated what Kojima did with Solid Snake.

Yeah I kind of do too. Still holding out hope for another Solid game where we find out that this was a nightmare lol

 

[BadWolf]

Old Snake is best Snake.

This version of him really resonated with me, it was after this game that his character really felt like a 'legend' to me.

 

[NoctisVsStar]

Yeah I kind of do too. Still holding out hope for another Solid game where we find out that this was a nightmare lol

Solid deserved a better finale.

 

[fastmower]

Solid deserved a better finale.

Yeah, I feel this game just shit all over the story prior to it.