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[Atrus]

I dunno. For some people, a rage...a sense of unfathomable outrage overtakes them when they hear of a group of men molesting kids. You may consider it cruel and irrational.

I think it's perfectly rational. It's easy to be emotionally detached when it's just words on a computer screen. But if it were my kids being abused, I'd feel exactly as I do now. This wasn't fantasy. It wasn't roleplay. These (accused) people crossed a very friggin well known and dangerous line by sexually abusing children. Some people get emotional when they find out about it. Don't get me wrong. Give them a FAIR trial. Let them have a full defense. Let the prosecution be burdened to have to PROVE their case. But at the end of the day, when there's images, IP logs, and all that to be traced...I can be pretty sure a few of them are and will be found guilty.

To me, there's only one of two possible "solutions" for those that are:

1- Death Penalty. One appeal. Then, Sorry...Bye. We need to weed this shit out of the gene pool. One scumbag at a time.

2- Lock them up for the rest of their lives and study the ever living shit out of them. Perform tests and experiments and learn whatever you need to learn to find out how this happens to people and how to stop it. (If this isn't possible, see number 1)

They're still fairly useful alive outside of research to cure them. Human experimentation is always a possibility and saves us having to commit volunteers at the end of their rope who risk anything for a cure as we do now. Then there's their organs which are best kept in living human beings to avoid freezer burn until needed.

The amount of blood and marrow they could be harvested in the meantime may make a tangible difference and this doesn't even account for many future developments.

Still lots of possibilities before extermination.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

Well I'm not really in that camp, but I think that's what the guys you're quoting are sort of getting at. I think they're trying to say that gomez fans are drawn to the fact that she has the face of a child and a body that looks sort of like a fully grown woman's so they won't come under fire because they can proclaim "But she's 18! she only looks 13 so its alright"

I guess I can't say much.

I think she's pretty in the same way Mila Kunis was pretty at 18. Cute, not exactly sexy, but hot in that youthful appearance any rich 65 year old wants.

 

[Deleted member 1235]

That's not really the argument you want to be making, I'm sure.

I think nobody really wants to make that argument. However it's quite possibly true.

 

[Tom Penny]

I propose jailing them in special jails where they are even more limited to certain activities.

Nah. We should probably treat them better. We should hook them up like that scumbag who murdered those people in Norway. I mean they got it right. He might wind up and suffer with other criminals like murderers and pedophiles in this despicable prison . Lets torture them in jail like this for now on....

what a tough life

 

[nns3d]

Violently having sex with infants? Being granted with V.I.P. access for supplying that? Christ, words fail me. Horrifying stuff, death isn't enough for scum like that.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

Violently having sex with infants? Being granted with V.I.P. access for supplying that? Christ, words fail me. Horrifying stuff, death isn't enough for scum like that.

Given the physics involved I'm pretty sure any sex with an infant is going to be violent.

 

[Orayn]

Nah. We should probably treat them better. We should hook them up like that scumbag who murdered those people in Norway. I mean they got it right. He might wind up and suffer with other criminals like murderers and pedophiles in this despicable prison . Lets torture them in jail like this for now on....

what a tough life


http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01634/Halden-Prison_1634893c.jpg
http://img.ezinemark.com/imagemanag...27-2-the-inmate-library-at-halden-prison.jpeg
http://img.wonderhowto.com/images/gfx/gallery/634087345755263711.jpg

If you completely misconstrue some else's argument in a way that makes them look bad, that makes you right!

Keep fighting those dastardly pedo-loving straw men.

 

[la flama blanca]

Nah. We should probably treat them better. We should hook them up like that scumbag who murdered those people in Norway. I mean they got it right. He might wind up and suffer with other criminals like murderers and pedophiles in this despicable prison . Lets torture them in jail like this for now on....

what a tough life

Is that seriously where he is staying? WTF, I'd consider killing my worst enemy to land in a place like that.

 

[Spat_triate]

let's smoke them out!!

Round up the bronies

 

[Mammoth Jones]

Being angry is natural, acting on your bloodlust is not rational.

1. Oh come on. You have any evidence that pedophiles breed more pedophiles, or that murderers breed murderers? This isn't about weeding out the gene pool. You want to disguise your bloodlust as the almost as abhorrent idea of eugenics.

2. This is better because at least it can be reversed if it is later discovered that someone was falsely convicted.

Like I said, it's easy to be calm, cool, and collected when you can remain emotionally detached from the reality of the situation. You call it bloodlust, I call it a lack of empathy...

I stand by my statement that pedo's should be weeded out of the human gene pool whenever found. Sorry, if you disagree but to me if someone has a stash of kiddie crap on their rig and through an investigation it's found that they knowingly obtained it, I have zero qualms about putting them down. Because, that's some shit you just can't cure. People like that....have an appetite. And no therapy, no chemical suppression is going to satiate it.

 

[KAP151]

Talk about depressing..

The fact that some of these sick fucks violently made THEIR OWN CHILDREN do this shit is beyond reproach. I certainly hope these kids are being counselled right now - cause they are going to be really messed up. =(

 

[lightless_shado]

I guess I can't say much.

I think she's pretty in the same way Mila Kunis was pretty at 18. Cute, not exactly sexy, but hot in that youthful appearance any rich 65 year old wants.

You know I don't think I've ever seen you so serious in a thread before. For a while I thought you were a joke character, I didn't even know about your past until I entered this thread.

You're a good guy, and I mean it. I like both your joking side and your serious side.

 

[hellclerk]

17. Lame, I know.

Don't feel down on yourself for it. It's important for younger kids to have an older peer to look up to and at the least you're active. That story is actually kind of funny though, in a sick, dark humor sort of way.

 

[RoninChaos]

So you completely misconstrued the last part of my statement and proceed to blow a fuse. This is why we shouldn't let our emotions hold sway over our criminal procedure (however impossible that is). I understand the gravity of the crime, but you seem not to understand the gravity of the punishment or recognize the ludicrousness of some of these responses.

Ah, I see you edited.

[edit]There really is nothing more disgusting than what we just read about. Seriously. And you saying "well, it's a mental illness, and we should treat it that way" is shocking. Any attempt at compassion for someone who would rape and physically abuse a child is sheer lunacy.
[/edit]

No, it's not compassion, it's reason. Something which a person with a mental illness lacks, as well as the ability to make good decisions and understand the morality and consequences of their actions.

No, that's bullshit. And I'm not saying that with the emotional backing of'OMG WHAT THEY DID TO THE CHILDREN'. There isn't a path to rehabilitation for some people. John Wayne Gacy raped and murdered 33 boys. 33. No amount of feel good therapy bullshit will change the fact that Gacy raped and killed 33 boys. This wasn't Gacy not having the ability to make good decisions and understand the morality and consequences of his actions. This was Gacy being a cold blooded murdering rapist.

Further, you can try and justify it anyway you want, but you're making excuses and letting them off the hook. This isn't some small group of people who turned left when they should have turned right and then ran a red light. This isn't some guy who was down on his luck and made a stupid decision. These people aren't lost souls that made poor decisions. These are people who raped and beat children, and then POSTED IT ON THE INTERNET in order to get special privledges along with other rapists and child molesters.

We could talk in circles about mental issues, cruel and unusual punishment, but I do believe that once you get past all of that shit, sometimes it comes down to simply good and evil. And those people are evil. The worst kind that exists out there.

With that said, I'll make my stance clear: Fuck them all, I hope the worst possible kind of torture happens to them. There's a line you don't cross, and they ran over that line by about 25 fucking miles when they decided to beat and rape children.

 

[bobbychalkers]

One of the guys who pleaded guilty lives in my city (Huntsville, AL). I caught the tail end of a report on the news about it earlier. Fucking sickening....

 

[Kinyou]

I really pity the guys who had to view all those pictures and movies in order to track these scumbags down. I'd imagine those haunt you forever

 

[SolKane]

Like I said, it's easy to be calm, cool, and collected when you can remain emotionally detached from the reality of the situation. You call it bloodlust, I call it a lack of empathy...

I stand by my statement that pedo's should be weeded out of the human gene pool whenever found. Sorry, if you disagree but to me if someone has a stash of kiddie crap on their rig and through an investigation it's found that they knowingly obtained it, I have zero qualms about putting them down. Because, that's some shit you just can't cure. People like that....have an appetite. And no therapy, no chemical suppression is going to satiate it.

On the contrary, chemical and surgical castration have been quite effective in suppressing the recidivism rate for sexual offenders (see: Depo Provera treatment in California).

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb3427/is_1_26/ai_n28737308/

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

I want all these guys stabbed in the spine and then left to slowly rot in the desert.

 

[Orayn]

No, that's bullshit. And I'm not saying that with the emotional backing of'OMG WHAT THEY DID TO THE CHILDREN'. There isn't a path to rehabilitation for some people. John Wayne Gacy raped and murdered 33 boys. 33. No amount of feel good therapy bullshit will change the fact that Gacy raped and killed 33 boys. This wasn't Gacy not having the ability to make good decisions and understand the morality and consequences of his actions. This was Gacy being a cold blooded murdering rapist.

1. The entire field of psychiatry really appreciates you calling it that.

2. Gacy was a serial killer, and like all serial killers, he was absolutely mentally ill. Generally speaking, serial killers act on compulsions and can't necessarily do a whole lot to stop them. The mind isn't some sort of disembodied spirit that floats outside the brain that could just make good decisions if it wanted to. Rather, it is generated and governed by the brain, and when the brain is telling someone to go through with systematic, often violent behavior, the mind can't exactly say no.

 

[la flama blanca]

On the contrary, chemical and surgical castration have been quite effective in suppressing the recidivism rate for sexual offender (see: Depo Provera treatment in California).

I agree, castration has been proven to work in most cases. *I was just about to make an analogy, but I feel bad doing it.

 

[3N16MA]

I really pity the guys who had to view all those pictures and movies in order to track these scumbags down. I'd imagine those haunt you forever

I remember reading a post by a Gaffer who has a job doing just that (can't remember the thread or username).

 

[QuiteWhittle]

Does the state provide free mental and physical rehabilitation for the young victims of these depraved individuals?

 

[RoninChaos]

1. The entire field of psychiatry really appreciates you calling it that.

2. Gacy was a serial killer, and like all serial killers, he was absolutely mentally ill. Generally speaking, serial killers act on compulsions and can't necessarily do a whole lot to stop them. The mind isn't some sort of disembodied spirit that floats outside the brain that could just make good decisions if it wanted to. Rather, it is generated and governed by the brain, and when the brain is telling someone to go through with systematic, often violent behavior, the mind can't exactly say no.

I'm glad they're so appreciative of my feelings on the matter. I should examine how that makes me feel.

Yes, Gacy was a serial killer that had a compulsion. That still isn't him making poor choices like I stated earlier. So do you think Gacy should have been treated as a mental patient and not a murdering rapist? Because the defense tried, over 300 hours were spent with Gacy's doctors in order to declare him insane, and he was found to be fully in control of his actions and was charged as such.

 

[Orayn]

I'm glad they're so appreciative of my feelings on the matter. I should examine how that makes me feel.

Yup, pass it all off as hippie bullshit with no value. The entire field, and all of our knowledge of the mind and how it works. You clearly know better.

 

[RoninChaos]

Yup, pass it all off as hippie bullshit with no value. The entire field, and all of our knowledge of the mind and how it works. You clearly know better.

Because that's obviously what I said. I said "All knowledge of the mind that has been aquired over the years is complete trash. I, neoGAF forum member, I alone know how all of this works. All your doctors are idiots."

Maybe I missed the post where I said that. Could you quote it?

Anyway, I'll spell it out for you; I don't believe that people like the ones we're discussing need mental help and are lost souls who made bad decisions. The idea that every person who commits a horrible act is some how some misbegotten soul who has no control over the things that they do is ridiculous.

Is that understandable?

 

[GraveRobberX]

Holder said, "Some of the children featured in these images and videos were just infants and in many cases, the children being victimized were in obvious and also intentional pain, even in distress and crying, just as the rules for one area of the bulletin board mandated. They had to be in distress and crying."

This killed me

My fucking heart feels like a 2 ton truck just fell on it ; ;

 

[3N16MA]

This killed me

My fucking heart feels like a 2 ton truck just fell on it ; ;

Move over and let the truck fall on these disgusting fucks.

 

[RoninChaos]

Also, since some people in here were talking about using people like this and finding more about how the brain works, etc. Gacy's brain was given to a dr that was on the defense side for his trial. Her name is Dr. Helen Morrison, she's interviewed quite a few serial killers, and tried to determine some quantifiable traits that each possessed. She examined Gacy's brain and found no abnormalities.

 

[GillianSeed79]

Fuck sending them to jail. Complete waste of taxpayer money.

Just release their names, pictures, addresses, employer information and family contact information. Let society take care of these shits.

There is already this kind of thing in the US. Not that these sick fucks are probably going to get out any time soon since it's the feds they are dealing with.

I don't have kids, but parent GAF if you ever want to scare the shit out of yourselves and convince yourself you should invest in triple dead bolt locks visit your state's online sex offender registry. You get pictures, where they work, what they did, where they live, how many live in your county, etc.

I personally believe this kind of shit that happened here, and in many cases of sex abuse, should warrant at least life in prison.

The thing is the victims are affected profoundly and, many times end up in the system themselves for various crimes if they don't kill themselves before 30.

And, sorry, there is no cure psychologists. You aren't going to “cure” a pedophile, only hope they can control themselves. That's not a risk I think we should try to take.

 

[alphaNoid]

Castrate them all

Agreed.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

You know I don't think I've ever seen you so serious in a thread before. For a while I thought you were a joke character, I didn't even know about your past until I entered this thread.

You're a good guy, and I mean it. I like both your joking side and your serious side.

I was told to tone it down a bit during my last ban.

No problem really. Being Thunder Monkey was taxing. Only so many fig jokes you can say before they all start running together.

 

[Nizz]

Such a pessimistic view of things. Where you are right now draw a 50 mile radius and then make a circumference. Go find all the soup kitchens and shelters or just people trying to help their fellow man. See the people dedicating their time as they try to help people back on their feet. As you walk between these areas keep a lookout for people who are picking up trash for no other reason except to put it in a bin.

These people are never reported. They are never part of the Gaborn news. If it bleeds it leads. How about we as a world stop fascinating about the horrors we can induce and instead what care and love we can give to fellow strangers we've never met before? Those are the stories I like.

I gotta give user Meus credit. He posted some threads the other day about feel good stories like those two teens who found a wallet and returned it. Money and everything in it. Stories like that give me faith in humanity. Then I read stuff like this...

Holder said, "Some of the children featured in these images and videos were just infants and in many cases, the children being victimized were in obvious and also intentional pain, even in distress and crying, just as the rules for one area of the bulletin board mandated. They had to be in distress and crying."

...and it just turns my fucking stomach and I lose all faith again. This is terrible. Terrible. If they don't face the death penalty, at least make them walking pedophile billboards. Paint their house/apartment door bright orange or something. If they drive, fuck it, paint their car orange too. They should have a bullseye on them for the rest of their life.

 

[cutmeamango]

That's not even remotely true. For starters, pedophilia and 'normative' sexuality are not mutually exclusive. Secondly, any number of pedophiles who aren't attracted to adults will get married and/or have kids simply to follow the cultural standard, or to distract other from their true sexuality, or to distract themselves from their true sexuality. Thirdly, sexuality changes over the course of a lifetime, and what was a spark in the back of one's mind in youth could become bright to cause one to act on those terrible impulses.

Most correct.
Most (if not all) paraphilias have no known neuro anatomy problems as direct cause.
They like kids because of experiences that shaped their sexual desires, just like every other paraphilia.

And damn, one must be really robotic to defend humane treatment for people on a board that specified that the children must be in pain, distress. I applaud your lack of empathy.

 

[CornBurrito]

Like I said, it's easy to be calm, cool, and collected when you can remain emotionally detached from the reality of the situation. You call it bloodlust, I call it a lack of empathy...

I stand by my statement that pedo's should be weeded out of the human gene pool whenever found. Sorry, if you disagree but to me if someone has a stash of kiddie crap on their rig and through an investigation it's found that they knowingly obtained it, I have zero qualms about putting them down. Because, that's some shit you just can't cure. People like that....have an appetite. And no therapy, no chemical suppression is going to satiate it.

You don't get it. I feel these people deserve a trial, and if convicted, the harshest sentence possible. I think the children need counseling. I am not devoid of empathy.

I am in fact more empathetic than you. You do not care how many innocents would be killed under a system where due process were nonexistent, or where mod justice was encouraged. I do. I consider the loss of an innocent life intolerable which is why I like that our system has so many protections.

And again, is there any evidence that pedophilia is passed through the gene pool? If not your "weeding them out" argument fails. I'm asking for evidence, not disagreeing outright.

And damn, one must be really robotic to defend humane treatment for people on a board that specified that the children must be in pain, distress. I applaud your lack of empathy.

One must really be moronic to not see the difference between defending pedophiles and not wanting torture put back into the justice system.

Nobody is doing the former btw.

And lol @ accusing that those not wanting torture, and not wanting us to do away with due process, of not having empathy. I didn't realize that caring about the potential innocents that would be irreparably harmed under such a system constituted a lack of empathy.

 

[Orayn]

And damn, one must be really robotic to defend humane treatment for people on a board that specified that the children must be in pain, distress. I applaud your lack of empathy.

I defend humane treatment for people, period. Say what you want about who "deserves" various punishments, but I don't think it's ever morally defensible to torture someone, have them beaten to death by a mob, or anything else of that nature. I especially don't think it's right for a government to carry out that kind of punishment systematically.

I am not defending these individuals. What they did was sickening and despicable. My opinion just differs from yours on what should happen to them.

 

[CornBurrito]

I defend humane treatment for people, period. Say what you want about who "deserves" various punishments, but I don't think it's ever morally defensible to torture someone, have them beaten to death by a mob, or anything else of that nature. I especially don't think it's right for a government to carry out that kind of punishment systematically.

but dude the government is infallible. It isn't like innocent people ever get falsely convicted.

And even if that theoretically could happen you're a fucking sociopath for caring about those hypothetical innocent people. Who cares if a young man or women suffers years of brutal disfiguring torture for a crime they didn't do? The important thing is that a criminal suffers. THAT IS JUSTICE!

They dont deserve to live.

Yes, they don't deserve to live. But the government doesn't deserve the power to kill them when it is bound to make mistakes and kill innocent people.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

They dont deserve to live.

 

[GraveRobberX]

I only have come across 1 video in my 20+ years browsing the internet

This was when Kazaa was around, I mistakenly added a wmv file

Just said hotchick.wmv or something

It showed a dude nude, getting "happy", I was like OK where is the chick? or did I get trapped into a weird video, the the camera turns to the bed, where a 7 year old was laying, blindfolded...WTF...I deleted that shit so fast, ripped the 30GB HDD, and just threw it away, hell to the fuck no was I just gonna delete that shit and hope for the best

 

[Maleficence]

Well that's not a great a horrible start to my day

 

[Soulstar]

That was one of the most depressing things I have ever read.

Fuck those guys.

 

[3N16MA]

That was one of the most depressing things I have ever read.

Fuck those guys with a hot iron rod.

Fixed.

 

[Vyer]

It's all bad, but the infant thing is just about one of the worst things I've read.

fucking hell

 

[xbhaskarx]

Well my night is now ruined...

 

[UFRA]

Why not 5? one in each knee cap, one in the crotch, and two in the stomach....then leave em there to bleed out....

Posts like these are disgusting in these threads...come on people...

Spoiler

Shooting them like that would give them a 1% chance to live, and that's too much of a chance for them to have another day to rape more children.

 

[Neuromancer]

There are a lot of sick fucks in the world. Sadly this operation is really just the tip of the iceberg.

 

[RustyNails]

I only have come across 1 video in my 20+ years browsing the internet

This was when Kazaa was around, I mistakenly added a wmv file

Just said hotchick.wmv or something

It showed a dude nude, getting "happy", I was like OK where is the chick? or did I get trapped into a weird video, the the camera turns to the bed, where a 7 year old was laying, blindfolded...WTF...I deleted that shit so fast, ripped the 30GB HDD, and just threw it away, hell to the fuck no was I just gonna delete that shit and hope for the best

I'd have done the same too. You can never be too sure. That's one of the dangers of p2p I suppose. I hope the guy who trolled you with that filename got caught. What a nasty thing to do.

 

[Broder Salsa]

Ugh this thread. People demanding bullets to their heads and the ones who disagrees gets called "pedo defense force" and of course the Norwegian prisons had to be included like in every other debate about the death penalty. It's pretty depressing reading, no one can deny that, but the cave man crowd reaction of "lets kill them" is just dumb and so is calling everyone a pedo defense force who doesn't look at this completely black and white.

 

[ThirtyPlus]

I feel sick.

 

[Nizz]

I feel sick.

Yep, this is really sickening news. How could people even do this?

 

[Orayn]

Ugh this thread. People demanding bullets to their heads and the ones who disagrees gets called "pedo defense force" and of course the Norwegian prisons had to be included like in every other debate about the death penalty. It's pretty depressing reading, no one can deny that, but the cave man crowd reaction of "lets kill them" is just dumb and so is calling everyone a pedo defense force who doesn't look at this completely black and white.

Online arguments aren't nearly as exciting without armies of straw men and heaping helpings of false dillemas. I will admit that I've been guilty of the former in my little spat with RoninChaos.