Zaraki_Kenpachi
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Is sony working hard to get 100%? Or is it going to be like microsoft where I'm gonna regret not getting a 60gb now?
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Meh..I'll wait till the Sony fixes the bugs, before I upgrade to 80GB cuz chances are, the PS3 isn't flying off the shelves anytimes soon, so no pressure on Sony to have there entire PS1 and 2 library BC. My PS3 is mostly used to play my huge backlog of PS2 games, *sigh*, when I want more "good" PS3 games out on the market.
Psychotext
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Pretty much... but part of that comes from not owning the design of the hardware in your old machine. Idiots.Tabris said:
(at least they didn't make that mistake this time)
Beer Monkey
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NolbertoS said:
Dude, you have a launch PS3. Never 'upgrade' by trading down to the second-gen systems, just buy a larger harddrive. :lol
Gokurakumaru
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Sage00 said:Aw cmon. Digital Devil Saga works in the US but not on PAL PS3s?
PAL Digital Devil Saga works as of 1.92.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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B.K. said:
Well, I mean does it seem like they are or is there any feeling that its probably gonna go one way or the other? Like microsoft we kinda saw the writing on the wall about how well done their bc was going to be. Is there any feeling like that whether it will or won't end up the same for sony? I really don't want to be screwed out of bc.
Maxwell House
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Eek, I think I am ordering a 60 gig PS3 from Amazon tomorrow. Its a good time for it anyways, with the 8 free BD discs included.
Two things (without wanting to argue about which one is better, PS3 no doubt, but...):cherdman said:
- PS3 emulation is not fully software, they still have GS inside (and most problems are GPU-related)
- Microsoft has a BIG problem, they changed they GPU supplier, and nVidia has patents on many GPU tricks, so it's really difficult for them.
Sony may get 100% or close, Microsoft doesn't stand a chance...
I'm glad I've an original model, though.
I went through my whole PS1 and PS2 libraries (128 and 90 games, respectively) and checked compatibility. You can view my library on MobyGames. I don't really do RPGs or Tactics or sports, so keep that in mind.
The upshot is:
98% of my PS1 games are playable (126 out of 128)
99% of my PS2 games are playable on a 60Gb (89 out of 90)
84% of my PS2 games are playable on an 80Gb (76 out of 90)
More detail in these graphs:
The upshot is:
98% of my PS1 games are playable (126 out of 128)
99% of my PS2 games are playable on a 60Gb (89 out of 90)
84% of my PS2 games are playable on an 80Gb (76 out of 90)
More detail in these graphs:
Hangs: Indigo Prophecy (same on both PS3 models)Koren said:
Other problems: SOCOM II (doesn't work with hard drive), Ridge Racer V (audio corruption during gameplay, I think)
I believe the rest of the issues are quite minor, and one stems from the choice of PS3 video mode (i.e. I don't think it happens in 480i). Keep in mind...I don't have a PS3 yet, but I will soon, so these are just according to Sony's database.
jvm said:
So you have played on both a 60GB and an 80GB. Have you ever experienced Bluetooth connectivity problems with the 60GB? Have you seen any difference in the 80GB? Supposedly there was a redesign of the Bluetooth antenna in the 80GB, but I don't know if that was to improve anything or not. Just wanted to get your feedback since you seem to have put a lot of time into both systems. If there is no difference, I will probably go out and get a 60GB and just upgrade HDs when needed.
EDIT: Nevermind just realized you went through the site - thought you actually were playing games yourself and thought damn that is thorough, lol.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
i have a problem with Valkyrie Profile 2 in that it will completely freeze sometimes after saving on my 60gb.
that bug isn't on there, so i guess they're not aware of it
that bug isn't on there, so i guess they're not aware of it
Yeah, sorry about that. I am just using Sony's list, which isn't really as thorough as it should be. There is at least one game missing from the 80Gb list (Tomb Raider: Anniversary) and some other games that I don't own are listed for one system but not the other. (The search string I used in the compatibility search page would bring these up...)vdo said:
I have definitely MANY problems with BT hanging / disconnexions (think several times during some hours, and it's probably not interferences). I think that could be the main (only) advantage 80GB has on older models, if they changed something about this.
Still (I've yet to check), I've been said that there's far less problems with current european sixaxis on a launch japanese PS3. Still haven't checked myself, since I was waiting for a rumbling sixaxis, but they may have partly solved the problem now with the pads.
Still (I've yet to check), I've been said that there's far less problems with current european sixaxis on a launch japanese PS3. Still haven't checked myself, since I was waiting for a rumbling sixaxis, but they may have partly solved the problem now with the pads.
Many thanks again... HDD problems are not unexpected, I guess. Not such a big deal (strange for Indigo Porphecy)jvm said:
I don't have a definitive answer to this, but my gut tells me that there is some software component even on the systems with an EE onboard. As you pore over the compatibility entries in Sony's database you start seeing issues for certain PS2 games on a 60Gb PS3 which have been fixed for later firmware revisions. Now, maybe these are just fixing some PS3-specific part of running the game, but I suspect that we're seeing some software emulation going on in those cases.davepoobond said:
I'd like a definitive answer, however. If someone knows, speak up! :^)
Koren said:
Thanks for the info - first I've heard of the possible improvement in the actual pads, that would be good if true. Yeah, I'm waiting on rumble sixaxis news myself. Hoping they say something at TGS. If they don't announce at TGS, I don't know when they would next announce it and so I would probably give up waiting on finding out about rumble at that point and just get the system and worry about new controllers down the road.
A lot of "software benefits" is post-processing done on Cell (such as upscaling and filtering). So yes, PS3 with EE also benefits from this.
But there's a couple of changes in the PS3 PCB, so some emulation tricks may not be possible on oldest PS3. So I'm not sure 60GB can benefits from anything.
But there's a couple of changes in the PS3 PCB, so some emulation tricks may not be possible on oldest PS3. So I'm not sure 60GB can benefits from anything.
Yes... That come from a friend of mine who has both japanese and european pads, and thinks problems doesn't happen (or far less often) with the european one. He's currently checking if it's true or not.vdo said:
Same here, if there's nothing at TGS, I'll buy a second (european) pad, and I'll post the results here about possible BT problems.vdo said:
Bearillusion
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I have a PAL PS3. Do not fear emulation my American friends.
HyperZone<3
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I read that 1.92 Improved game performance on certain titles (Shadow of the Collassuss, apparently), can anyone confirm this? And is that the case with 60G and 80G models alike?
also, Blu-Ray's are region free, right? So can I play DVD's from anywhere else or am I stuck with R1's DVD's for any PS3 I might aquire?
Thank you for anybody with answers.
also, Blu-Ray's are region free, right? So can I play DVD's from anywhere else or am I stuck with R1's DVD's for any PS3 I might aquire?
Thank you for anybody with answers.
HyperZone<3 said:
No, Blu-Ray has regions, they're just slightly different to DVD. Blu-Ray has America and Japan in the same region, whereas DVD has Europe and Japan in the same region. But yes, at the moment you're stuck with playing discs from the region you got your PS3 from, until someone hacks it and comes out with custom firmware.
lastendconductor
Put your snobby liquids into my mouth!
Don't sell your PS2 guys.
Haunted
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:lol Some of these bugs are pretty funny. Glad to see Sony listing those in such detail, though. Gives me hope that they're really working on it, trying to improve the emulation.
The games I care most about are:
Okami
God of War II
Odin Sphere
Final Fantasy XII
Valkyrie Profile 2
I've pretty much played everything else worth of note over the PS2's lifespan, so if these titles work when I get a PS3, it's all good. If not, I will break something
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The games I care most about are:
Okami
God of War II
Odin Sphere
Final Fantasy XII
Valkyrie Profile 2
I've pretty much played everything else worth of note over the PS2's lifespan, so if these titles work when I get a PS3, it's all good. If not, I will break something
or dream of a Wii port
.Right, but many many disc are region free, currently. Including the promotionnal BR disc of Casino Royale Sony sent to europeans.Danj said:
Still not such a good solution...
By the way, PAL discs/videos DON'T WORK on NTSC consoles, even if the region is allowed. For example, you can't play an european DVD on a japanese PS3, even if the region is 2 in both Europe and Japan for DVD.
I hope it'll be fixed (should be a software problem, since the opposite situation works, I think), but my hopes are low...
It's not real HD, it's still 480p-rendered upscaled by Cell to HD resolution.wotter said:
Cell does a great job at upscaling the image, removing many aliasing (even if some small details in textures are lost). Better than most if not all TV sets scalers. But it's still upscaling.
(it was clear in a sony interview, and besides this, since the PS3 still use a GS, I don't see how it could magically render in HD)
Hooterville
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So if you are getting a new PS3 today you are better to get one of 60GB models over the 80GB?
Is there anything the 80GB does better then the 60GB?
Is there anything the 80GB does better then the 60GB?
HyperZone<3 said:
I'll just add more to the previous answer. Unlike DVD's 8 regions, Bluray only has 3 regions (A - Americas, East Asia, B - Europe, Oceania, Middle East, C - Russia, China, India, I forget where Africa goes, probably B). Now, unlike the previous generation, most companies don't use region lockout all the time. In fact many releases either have no region encoding (most notable is Warner and prior to flipflopping again Paramount) or been encoded for all regions (like Disney's PotCs for example), so you would see ABC on the back of the case. Basically you just have to check before hand if you plan on importing anything. Other than that, that's about it.
You have 20GB more, a game included (IIRC ?), possibly less Bluetooth deconnexion problems with a new antenna (unconfirmed), a worse BC but you may get some improvements unavailable on 60GB models (I said MAY).Hooterville said:
Bluetooth antenna is the only possible big advantage, I think.
Crab Milk Mickey
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Question: I don't really follow the PS3's BC scene, but is there any way to find out which PS3's use its hardware for the backwards compatibility? It'll take a while before I buy a PS3, but looking at that list, it seems that I'll be better off with the hardware than with the software emulation.
Guy Legend
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Mejilan said:
Yes, all 60 gb (and 20 gb) models have the EE. All 80 gb models don't. At least that's the way things are in North America.
FirstInHell
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Tabris said:
You don't know what you are talking about. Just because KOTR doesn't work well doesn't mean the BC is 5-10%. Plenty of good games work just fine. Definitely more than 5-10% of them.
Crab Milk Mickey
Member
How about European units?Guy Legend said:
Psychotext
Member
They never had the EE.MicVlaD said:
Gantz said:
You wish, it's like $80. I'm considering getting one, maybe. I'd much rather have been able to put that $80 toward a 360 soon, but instead i'll just buy a 360 when it's $80.
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If i buy a broken rrod 360 off ebay is there any way i can use the 3 year warranty, is it transferable(i guess the obvious answer is no, i'm sure these people selling broken 360's would have just got theirs fixed themselves)?
Psychotext
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I don't really like the idea of having old hardware around cluttering up the place... which is why I've been finishing up old xbox games before I get a 360.Gantz said: