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Additional microtransaction(?) items found in latest Destiny patch?

Troy said:
Combined with yesterday's horrible economy nerf whose goal appears to be to artificially increase the grind, this would be bad.



An in-game economy Bungie changed dramatically (and not in the favor of the gamer) yesterday.

My big problem with all this stuff, including the adding of the emote store yesterday is that they've prioritized all of that stuff over putting in a real clan system and a real LFG system. Shows you exactly where Bungie's priorities are.
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Which is a different discussion and not relating to microtransactions...and hence not deserving of all the skepticism thrown at the developers, their supposed plans to creep in pay2win and damage control as mentioned by the other guy I was replying to previously, even after Luke made it clear.

Also
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BreezyLimbo said:
I mean it kinda does cause the CM you're mentioning doesn't exist, as Luke Smith is the game designer.
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You could just as easily change out the "CM" in my post with "any person working for the company" and it would still have the same meaning. No shit the lead designer isn't going to confirm anything that could potentially cause backlash, just as any other person working for them wouldn't if they valued their job. As I said, wait till they add any of these items in before automatically believing anything that comes out of their mouths.

Keep in mind that the tweet was for nothing more than droprate buffs, no mention was made for the level boosts (which also goes against their "cosmetic only" philosophy).
 
Pellegri Testament said:
You could just as easily change out the "CM" in my post with "any person working for the company" and it would still have the same meaning. No shit the lead designer isn't going to confirm anything that could potentially cause backlash, just as any other person working for them wouldn't if they valued their job. As I said, wait till they add any of these items in before automatically believing anything that comes out of their mouths.

Keep in mind that the tweet was for nothing more than droprate buffs, no mention was made for the level boosts (which also goes against their "cosmetic only" philosophy).
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That could be a long wait then. He has already mentioned that these were ideas that were scrapped, it's not unheard of for games to have files from cut stuff.

You are trying to find things in places where there is nothing to be found.
 
Pellegri Testament said:
You could just as easily change out the "CM" in my post with "any person working for the company" and it would still have the same meaning. No shit the lead designer isn't going to confirm anything that could potentially cause backlash, just as any other person working for them wouldn't if they valued their job. As I said, wait till they add any of these items in before automatically believing anything that comes out of their mouths.

Keep in mind that the tweet was for nothing more than droprate buffs, no mention was made for the level boosts (which also goes against their "cosmetic only" philosophy).
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The level boosts don't really help a player get good or gear up faster than a like player though.

And the lead game designer of the game saying something...isn't something that can be disregarded.
 
nOoblet16 said:
Which is a different discussion and not relating to microtransactions...and hence not deserving of all the skepticism thrown at the developers even after Luke makes it clear.
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It's the same discussion. Nerfing the economy and then introducing artificial ways to reduce the grind are not separate issues. And Luke is the same person who callously told gamers that they'd happily be throwing money at their screen to get shitty little emotes that were going to be sold to gamers instead of being included in the game. Why should I trust anything he has to say?

BreezyLimbo said:
The level boosts don't really help a player get good or gear up faster than a like player though.

And the lead game designer of the game saying something...isn't something that can be disregarded.
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They same lead designer that only a month or so ago had to apologize for what he was saying.
 
Now we just wait for them to put drop rates back to 1.0.

2.0 had a great boost to drops.....I could easily see them lowering it for this shit.
 
Oh cmon, it's not game breaking, but it was supposed to COSMETICS ONLY. Turns out it was a lie.

I don't like the idea. Ofc it will sell - but this will lead us to even worse things in the future...
 
nOoblet16 said:
Which is a different discussion and not relating to microtransactions...and hence not deserving of all the skepticism thrown at the developers, their supposed plans to creep in pay2win and damage control as mentioned by the other guy I was replying to previously, even after Luke made it clear.

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But if Nightfall rewards are shit now but everyone else is mostly happy with the current (or pre-today's patch) state of things), why nerf things people were happy with? Why not just make Nightfall worth it without shitting up other stuff?
 
I don't necessarily think it's that horrible.

To some people time is a more valuable resource than money (and vice versa). I don't think it's a bad thing to let people decide themselves what 'resource' to spend on the game as long as all options give you the same possible outcome in the end.

Is it more fair that somebody who can play 10 hours a day gets better gear than somebody who can't (because of work, school, other things)? I don't know. It would be nice to have some options in my opinion.

If you go to the gym and train by yourself it's likely that you have to spend more time to reach the same results as somebody who pays a personal trainer to coach him/her. Is that pay to win? In that case most sports are pay to win and a lot of other things in life are pay to win.

As long as you aren't forced to buy things and as long as you can choose to invest either time or real money I guess I don't mind that much.
 
Garrett Hawke said:
But if Nightfall rewards are shit now but everyone else is mostly happy with the current (or pre-today's patch) state of things), why nerf things people were happy with? Why not just make Nightfall worth it without shitting up other stuff?
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Fixing Nightfall has absolutely nothing to do with the micro transaction debate going on. Not sure why he used that has a defense for Bungie. The economy got nerfed hard yesterday. Fixing what they purposely broke in Nightfall doesn't fix that.
 
Troy said:
Fixing Nightfall has absolutely nothing to do with the micro transaction debate going on. Not sure why he used that has a defense for Bungie. The economy got nerfed hard yesterday. Fixing what they purposely broke in Nightfall doesn't fix that.
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I believe his post was meant to convey the idea of these items being dropped as a reward for Nightfall rather than the microtransactions everyone is assuming.
 
eoa-swam said:
Luke Smith just tweeted :

https://twitter.com/thislukesmith/status/654213224007503872

We aren't (nor are we planning) on selling consumables that buff King's Fall drop rates for Silver.
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Just to make sure people saw it.

Of course, this depends on whether you believe Luke Smith or not, but that's pretty definitive. This won't stop people from freaking out but maaaaaan, this sure doesn't appear great. I'm personally confident Luke isn't shitting anyone here (he's versed enough in PR that giving such a direct denial as above wouldn't be an accident) and that they won't sell any drop rate buffs for cash.

They could have drop rate buffs either drop from other events or be rewards for other content (maybe the year 1 raids they haven't updated?), and that's still shady to a lot of people, but frankly it's incredibly difficult to have any kind of calm, rational talk about Destiny at all.
 
Makes sense. The dangers of data mining is that sometimes you'll come upon stuff that was abandoned but left in data.

I imagine the XP packs (at least the "starter packs") will probably still show up at some point, but I don't think those are as big of a deal; as a service game goes on longer it becomes harder to get new players brought up to speed to where the rest of the player base is.
 
The dude came right into the DestinyGAF thread too:
LukeSmith said:
Couple things:

The Valorous/Heuristic/Indomitable Light were Three of Coins-like buffs sold by the Speaker for Motes+Planetary Materials (I honestly don't remember exactly what they cost, [but it was never Silver] I can't keep the entire economy in my head) but for a variety of bug-related reasons they were removed. They were also - as has been pointed out - in the data files before TTK shipped.
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No, but I can see them selling strange coins, motes and materials for cash.

Material bundles 100x of each material for $5


Strange coins just got reduced by 50%.....why not sell those

Motes of light chances to acquire them also got reduced.....sell.

extremely annoying bounty objective.....ah ha ha! We've got you covered there for just $2!!!

When you move to a microtransaction market and start seeing that cash roll in........you start thinking of more ways to make more even faster.
 
normal but empty game --> to normal, less empty but repetitive game --> to great game --> to pay-to-win game..

what a rollercoaster for bungie :)
 
Until that stuff in the OP goes on sale for silver nothing has changed, those might be internal items used on bungie test accounts, they could be test packages for seeing how X and Y work, we just don't know apart from the data for them is in the database.

These may never come to light for players.
 
Regular Legendary loot drop rate: 1%

Legendary loot drop rate after microtransaction: 1.5%

But hey, it increased your drop rate by a whopping 50%!!!

Next up in other tales from my ass....

Seriously though, I'm not bothered by this, if it even exists and isn't just leftover data files, and I hated on Destiny as much as anyone before. I can see how it might negatively impact game design, and if Bungie starts exponentially increasing the amount of time investment it takes to get high-level gear I'll be right there with folks calling them on it. But so long as this only impacts the folks gullible enough to buy it, I'm ok with that.
 
Lol, some people actually thought that bungie went through the trouble of making another currency system just to sell a few dance emotes.
 
TouchMyBox said:
Lol, some people actually thought that bungie went through the trouble of making another currency system just to sell a few dance emotes.
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They clearly stated they were exploring more than emotes, just that nothing youd pay for would ever offer any tangible advantage.

Then the director of the game comes out and confirms theres no "pay for loot" plans at all, contrary to like half the posts preaching against Bungie.

There is like zero issue here. People are hungry for drama and are willingly overlooking context.
 
Not a good sign but I'm not surprised.

All the best gear is well out of my reach anyway due to the lack of MM in the Raid and Nightfall, these items would serve no benefit to me!
 
This should really be put in the OP:

LukeSmith said:
Couple things:

The Valorous/Heuristic/Indomitable Light were Three of Coins-like buffs sold by the Speaker for Motes+Planetary Materials (I honestly don't remember exactly what they cost, [but it was never Silver] I can't keep the entire economy in my head) but for a variety of bug-related reasons they were removed. They were also - as has been pointed out - in the data files before TTK shipped.

Someone PM me when Zoba hasn't talked about TLW for a month (seriously, move on). Clock starts now ;b
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Main parts of the OP have been fully denied by Bungie.
 
The leveling your subclass stuff is a godsend only because it's a fucking grind to max out 3 subclasses on a brand new character
Also a lot of people are quick on jumping to the "fuck you Bungie for your P2W garbage" when in reality it's just meaningless game files which have yet to even be applied to the game. Odds are a lot of these people are the same who jump on the hate train Bungie does well, anything.
 
Will still give Bungie the benefit of the doubt unless these actually get implemented for Silver. Getting up in arms about speculation seems a fools errand. Hope these are never sold for Silver but selling for SC from Xur would make sense for most of them, similar to 3oC.
 
Given all the shit Destiny has pulled, it should be watched with a critical eye. That said, it's ridiculous how eager people are to crucify Bungie and the game, even after the director has explained the situation.
 
Luq said:
Oh cmon, it's not game breaking, but it was supposed to COSMETICS ONLY. Turns out it was a lie.

I don't like the idea. Ofc it will sell - but this will lead us to even worse things in the future...
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It wasn't a lie. Destiny has consumable cosmetic items - but there's only been two:

An effect that makes bats fly off you when you spawn
An effect that puts a pumpkin head on your guardian until you log out

And they were both only available during Halloween, so most players have either never had them or already used them up.

Data miners taking that L again
 
SolicitorPirate said:
Given all the shit Destiny has pulled, it should be watched with a critical eye. That said, it's ridiculous how eager people are to crucify Bungie and the game, even after the director has explained the situation.
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I think this is a fair observation and I'd be interested to know what the reason behind it is. Ever since Destiny came out people have been looking for any reason to shit all over it regardless of any proper evidence. This is all just speculation just like it was when they announced the microtransactions and everyone lost their shit. What is it about Destiny that people are so against? It's a good game that obviously a lot of people are having fun with and currently doesn't do anything unfair to consumers. When Ubisoft announced Syndicate would have microtransactions everyone just shrugged it off with "They do this every year" or "If someone wants to pay to save time they should be able to". But Destiny gets fucking destroyed. So weird.
 
Gipsy Danger said:
I think this is a fair observation and I'd be interested to know what the reason behind it is. Ever since Destiny came out people have been looking for any reason to shit all over it regardless of any proper evidence. This is all just speculation just like it was when they announced the microtransactions and everyone lost their shit. What is it about Destiny that people are so against? It's a good game that obviously a lot of people are having fun with and currently doesn't do anything unfair to consumers. When Ubisoft announced Syndicate would have microtransactions everyone just shrugged it off with "They do this every year" or "If someone wants to pay to save time they should be able to". But Destiny gets fucking destroyed. So weird.
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I honestly don't think anyone could give an answer to that. Ever since the game was announced every single aspect was under scrutiny, and I just don't understand why. Best I can come up with for back then was there was a small group of Halo/Xbox fans who were angry at Bungie going multi platform, but that wouldn't hold for two years later.
 
I fail to see why the hell people are bothered by this.

And this comes from someone who hates micro transactions.

I doubt this is actually going to happen, but if it did who cares?

You don't like it? Don't buy it. It has no bearing on the game for YOU as an individual.

If someone is dumb enough to spend hard earned money on a CHANCE to get loot from a boss/raid/strike etc, then let them.

Me? I'll just be over here not spending any more money on the game than the entry fee waiting for my loot to drop.

It's not like they remove loot from dropping for all players, its not pay 2 win, people claiming that it is have no clue what they are talking about.

Pay 2 Win would be:

Spend $5 on this item to boost your exotic to a higher level unattainable through regular play.
 
It's not really hard to see that as pay to win. In Destiny you win when you get loot. I doubt anyone would have problem with faster leveling up packs but for any really serious players the raiding and looting are where it's at and messing with that would be crazy.
 
Troy said:
My big problem with all this stuff, including the adding of the emote store yesterday is that they've prioritized all of that stuff over putting in a real clan system and a real LFG system. Shows you exactly where Bungie's priorities are.
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re: clans, first party doesn't have clan functionality. They also prohibit developers from integrating clan functionality into their OS-level friends list.

Bungie basically did Halo 2 clans without the approval of Microsoft and got a stern talking about never doing that again, because it piggybacked on the XBL friends system in a way they didn't like. They've mentioned this publically multiple times.

The upside is clans are cross-platform since they can't be directly integrated into first party systems anyway.
 
Obliterator said:
Stuff like people being able to pay to instantly level classes and get better drop rates on gear is far from cosmetics only. This stuff actually impacts gameplay

I'm not sure how I feel about it but we are starting to get on a slippery slope here
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I don't see why they would do that, once you get everything you want.....You stop playing the game
 
Jito said:
Not a good sign but I'm not surprised.

All the best gear is well out of my reach anyway due to the lack of MM in the Raid and Nightfall, these items would serve no benefit to me!
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I agree about MM but It takes less than 10mins to put together a raid team. Even less time for nightfall.
 
witchedwiz said:
normal but empty game --> to normal, less empty but repetitive game --> to great game --> to pay-to-win game..

what a rollercoaster for bungie :)
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Honestly, this cycle frustrates me, too. I've got hundreds of hours in this game across Xbone and PS4 and they finally struck a formula that existing fans seem happy with, built good will, and has actually attracted new fans. Now they feel the need to keep "tweaking the formula". I feel like the introduction of this real-money shop is going to turn people off big time. Even if its intention is to stay purely cosmetic, no one is going to believe it regardless of what Luke tweets. It breeds distrust in the longevity of the product and Bungie as a whole.

I personally don't understand it. People are playing the game and people are enjoying it. Let the soup cook, for God's sake...
 
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