They are just the very blunt tools of an industry that is always petrified of change because the business models have always relied on ripping off everyone, from artists to the public, as effectively as possible.
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Adele's '25' Won't Be Available On Streaming Services
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They are just the very blunt tools of an industry that is always petrified of change because the business models have always relied on ripping off everyone, from artists to the public, as effectively as possible.
Wanting people to buy her music makes her greedy?
Income from Spotify in one day would be absolutely enormous.
This is about the bigger picture.
Wind's Howling
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So...
How many people do they think will download the FLAC or MP3 version from torrents and just put them on their Music app on both Android or iPhone?
I am guessing the majority. Removing it from streaming services will hurt you in the long run, Adele. Don't be so Swift.
How many people do they think will download the FLAC or MP3 version from torrents and just put them on their Music app on both Android or iPhone?
I am guessing the majority. Removing it from streaming services will hurt you in the long run, Adele. Don't be so Swift.
Palette Swap
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Yeah, I've never understood why linking to YouTube links to copyrighted content was somehow more acceptable than straight out linking to pirate sites. It's very prevalent on Gaming side, where even scans are forbidden, and I'm genuinely curious why this is okay.
SturokBGD
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I don't believe for a minute this is a decision driven entirely by Adele herself, regardless of what you might read in the press. It's the last desperate gasp of the old guard in the record industry. Their end is nigh, it's just a lot slower and more painful for them than it should be.
Bless.
PapaJustify
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Same. It's just so convenient. It is incredible how many great artists I have discovered through Spotify which I otherwise probably never would have listened to. Some of those even grew to become my favorites which led me to buy their physical CDs, too.
If anything, streaming services are celebrating music like never before.
Everyone goes to a party or something and puts on music via Youtube and its ok. If you bust out a pirated file though you've gone too far. Weird
NekoFever
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People have a weird thing where they think streaming is somehow different to downloading. I don't get it either.
Zepp Twofist
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Since her last album was pretty much the only record that has sold copies at a rate that reminds the music industry of their heyday, I absolutely see why they are trying to do the same this time around. Even if successful it will still remain an exception though.
TheAbsolution
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If it's on Youtube, chances are it's already been recognized and claimed by ContentID.
The money goes to the right people after that.
This I did not know. That's pretty cool. Then how come some Youtube videos of songs are instead sped up or muted?
partime
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As a paying Spotify customer, it sucks that artists are restricting their album to suck more money out of their audience. The majority of music I listen to are indie artists I haven't heard of until Browse brings them up anyway.
Its just frustrating seeing this sudden resistance with modern times, but then again I'm not entirely sure how big artists get paid through streaming services anyway.
Its just frustrating seeing this sudden resistance with modern times, but then again I'm not entirely sure how big artists get paid through streaming services anyway.
Zepp Twofist
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Any high profile copyrighted content on youtube either gets flagged and taken down, or ad revenues automatically goes to the copyright holders. The automatic content ID system on youtube will recognize any song in their database (which is more or less any song managed by a record company) and flag the video. As for video game content, stuff will get flagged the same way if has any original music from the game playing on it's audio track.
Putting copyrighted content illegally on youtube is actually pretty hard, and almost impossible for anything high profile.
smileyforall220
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Jeez, music has really been devalued by people in this thread. Because she wants people to buy her album, she's greedy now? Spotify generates a pathetic amount of income for artists, I don't blame her.
WanderingWind
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I don't get people getting mad at artists for controlling their product and then talking about how they're going to just steal it. You can still buy it. Probably for like, 5-8 bucks off Amazon. It's not Adele's fault that Spotify wants your money, too.
No it doesn't.
Spotify has grown the industry and increased its revenue, it has devalued nothing and instead increased exposure for all, everyone is paying something through ads, subscribers are paying double what the average consumer paid for music at its peak in the 90's, it's killed piracy, and it's an ever increasing revenue model.
Everybody wins, and given time everybody would.
It would be left alone but the industry can't have a single dominant retailer, and the dominant retailer is now also the consumer-friendly model. So it must be kneecapped.
The disinformation campaign from an industry that has always ripped off everyone has been stupidly effective.
How much money is the label skimming off the top from Spotify (and record sales in general?)
Maybe go after them and the industry at large before attacking the model that is actually consumer friendly and has actually help grow the industry while making music far more accessible than traditional record sales ever could.
Barrel Cannon
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Was gonna buy it on vinyl and cd anyways. So doesn't really effect me. But sort of strange given the music industry at the moment.
....I did the same for 1989 as well lol
It's entirely predictable given the music industry at the moment.
Kibbles
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AyaisMUsikWhore
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Eeek Beyoncé did the same but at least it was a surprise... A sweet announcement just feels so lol
Basically if you're against Spotify, as a consumer you're stupid and as a fan of music you're stupid.
Any problems in this transition are because transitions take time.
And they could all be eased if the industry genuinely believed the bollocks it's been spouting and reshuffled the deck. But they won't when the cards have always been stacked in their favour and they quite like it that way.
Any problems in this transition are because transitions take time.
And they could all be eased if the industry genuinely believed the bollocks it's been spouting and reshuffled the deck. But they won't when the cards have always been stacked in their favour and they quite like it that way.
demosthenes
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I'm curious. Can you back up anything you said here?
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
That's something a reasonable person says. As a consumer, I prefer to own the music, rather than depend on a streaming service that may not be around in five years. Not to mention the supreme arrogance in choosing your favorite streaming service as the one that must be supported or else you're stupid.
All of it, and I've done it before.
You could research it yourself instead of going oh no poor artists, or search earlier threads for posts where I did it, or I might go and find them myself.
It's just incredibly frustrating to see.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
No offense, but who are you? Nobody is going to go through your post history to source a claim that you're making. Maybe you're entirely right, but how the hell are we supposed to know that? Because you say so? Dude. Chill.
pokeystaples
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Fuck, this actually made me download the amazon music app. I have some dollars toward digital.
It was shown rather recently that Spotify doesn't necessarily hurt the industry, but it isn't doing anything to help it much either.
Oh for fuck's sake, this isn't brand wars and I wouldn't care or bother to keep explaining if it was.
It's the model.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Again. Calm down and realize that while this may be a pet cause of yours, not everybody is going to be familiar with it to the extend that you clearly seem to think you are. Nobody knows who the fuck you are, so nobody cares what you do or don't care about. But this is a discussion board. If you can back up what you're saying, then do so. Or don't. But don't get "frustrated" that people aren't following the every word of the almighty Deck'ard.
Crazyorloco
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I use google play music, her old albums are on streaming. I did enjoy her old albums (especially the first one) I hope this album is worth purchasing. I'm taking a wait and hear approach.
demosthenes
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I was genuine. No need to be an asshole to me for absolutely no reason. Find a post in this thread where I was crying for the artists. You made some claims and I stimply was interested in them and now I really don't care.
Well if you read the discussions and digested them already, rather than jumping to conclusions, maybe I'd be more inclined to do so.
And I own a shit-ton of music, and have done for many years. I'm also able to distinguish between personal preference, the benefits of convenience and the widest possible exposure, and the wider impacts technology has always had on the music industry and something it has never embraced until forced.
And then blames the consumer, and round and round we go.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Again, man. What discussions? Point to them. I'm not digging through your post history to find when you talked about Spotify. If you're referring to just this thread, you haven't made anything besides claims. I'm willing to read your sources for those. I'm interested in it, despite your behavior ITT. I'm sure you're frustrated, but I'm equally sure it's not really an earned frustration.
Fleet_of_Foot
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This further reinforces that I will start paying for YouTube Red when my free 30 days ends. It's worth every penny. Haven't seen an ad on YouTube in weeks. Yes I know there are other less ethical ways to achieve the same thing.
Me too. Well I wasn't in the first place but now I guess I won't check it out
The model isn't that hard to digest, how it works and the ways it's beneficial, and above how it takes time. That's what I've been talking about, so I thought it was clear where I was coming from.
And this happens every thread involving streaming, because Spotify has been very deliberately thrust into the public's conscience now as the enemy of music, after the model being put in place by the industry to benefit itself, which it did. People's memories may be short, but this also happened with iTunes. But that now is suddenly the good guy, and we have a new bad guy in town.
The major labels own part of Spotify, this is literally the industry playing games with itself while forcing more revenue in the short-term, to ensure the dominant streaming models are an industry friendly model rather than the consumer-friendly one the public embraced and made successful.
Trust me, it's very frustrating. I'll try and dig out some older posts with links to figures and things because the actual picture is very different from the very simplistic one that has been painted.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
It's likely not as clear as you think. I grew up on cassettes and fully witnessed the fuckery around Napster -> iTunes. I'm in no way in support of record companies. I'm just not familiar enough with the streaming business model ( outside of heated debates around the likes of Taylor Swift ) to make any sort of call on it.
I do find that many of those threads have far too many people either suggesting or outright saying they'll just steal the music they can't get on their preferred digital platform, which I find indefensible. This isn't the days when companies refused to play ball with digital services at all, save for geriatrics like Garth. You can stil get Adele digitally, if you're so inclined. I'm interested in your breakdown of it, if you get a chance to post it.
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