Regret Upon Approval
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I know, I was remarking on why would you even need to pirate WinZip.
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Adobe is suing Forever 21 for pirating Photoshop
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I know, I was remarking on why would you even need to pirate WinZip.
Yeah I see, my bad. Maybe someone was pissed off about that annoying WinZip pop-up that tells you that your trial is over, so ended up installing pirated copy. What an idiot though.
Wendel Clark
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kill all pirates
Haint
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WinRar is the well known extractor that works forever but bothers you to death to buy a copy. No one has used Winzip in like 10 or 15 years and someone dumb enough to try surely wouldn't be able to track down a cracked copy.
Regret Upon Approval
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Ah, thanks. I was close, they both start with "Win", despite not being winners.
PetriP-TNT
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Vicetrailia
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So they bought licenses, found the means to abuse, got responses from the licensees, ignored them and now this.
Forever21 is shady so it is what it is.
Unfortunately in this world and whether you like it or not, the options and means exist.
Forever21 is shady so it is what it is.
Unfortunately in this world and whether you like it or not, the options and means exist.
Probably a trial version came bundled with Corel since its owned by them.
MidgarBlowedUp
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Oh man, reminds me I paid less than $200 for the whole Adobe master suite back when they fucked up and listed it as 80% off 80% off.
Damn, id have jumped on that right away.
DiipuSurotu
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I don't know what's more surprising, 1/ that there are people who pirate WinZip, or 2/ that Corel actually makes money from WinZip (enough that they're actually going after Forever 21 for the loss of profit).
Kite
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A more probably explanation is that IT people are simply lazy. When I was in the Army I was my unit's "computer guy" who was the intermediary between them and the S-6s aka the actual computer geeks and I know for a fact that half the software we used were pirated, especially while deployed. It wasn't a lack of $$, we got plenty of that (thanks tax payers <3) but when you have that many computers to take care of and a low chance of being caught well.. The actual people in charge probably didn't even know all the pirating was going on.
You're thinking of WinRAR.
Not sure why ANYONE would need winzip actually... the functionality to zip and unzip files is built into both windows and OSX.
CadetMahoney
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A WinRar is you.
Stabby McSter
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I did when I was 21.
Now I pay monthly for Creative Cloud, so I'm not sure if I actually own it or not, licenses and all. :<
As part of my job, I handle a lot of people's laptops and computers. Whenever I warn them over the risk of data loss the first thing a good 80% of them they say is "does that mean my programmes will be lost". Not their pictures, or documents.
CAD Autodesk, Creative Suite, Microsoft Office etc.
So I ask myself... if they were legitimate copies would they be asking this question? Because yeah, I know it's a bit of a hassle to re-download and install it but the software vendors have made it as easy as they can.
CAD Autodesk, Creative Suite, Microsoft Office etc.
So I ask myself... if they were legitimate copies would they be asking this question? Because yeah, I know it's a bit of a hassle to re-download and install it but the software vendors have made it as easy as they can.
LUFTRAUSER
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That was what I did. Although I don't know how to use it and I don't care about drawing anymore. I would say it was a waste of money but I have used it to make avatars and stuff and I've spent more on textbooks that I ended up hardly needing so oh well.
It is also a PITA to set-up everything up again just the way you like it.
I love how it says they pirated Autodesk. Autodesk is a company, not a software title.
I did IT for a small company a few years ago. I ended up finding out that all the computers were running the same OEM version of Windows off one CD key. Not only that, but it was a pirated key. Same went for office.
To get them legit I was quoted $30,000. And they balked at the price.
I did IT for a small company a few years ago. I ended up finding out that all the computers were running the same OEM version of Windows off one CD key. Not only that, but it was a pirated key. Same went for office.
To get them legit I was quoted $30,000. And they balked at the price.
Pankratous
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When I was at college, every Windows 7 PC had the message on it "This is not a genuine copy of Windows. Please..." and I forget the rest. Probably something about registering a key.
We're talking thousands of computers.
We're talking thousands of computers.
MidgarBlowedUp
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http://slickdeals.net/f/3977588-80-off-adobe-student-and-teacher-edition-software-acrobat-x-pro-24-photoshop-cs5-extended-40-creative-suite-5-5-master-collection-180-amp-more
Yeah it was a crazy day on slick deals when it was posted. It was the 5.5 version.
It was the Student/Teacher version, but as someone pointed out from the Adobe faq it can be used commercially.
davepoobond
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Password protection and encryption.
SlickShoes
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I am the sole IT guy for my workplace and would not allow any cracked or illegal software on any of our managed computers.
People bringing in their own illegal software on their own computers and using them on our network is much more difficult to stop, however as soon as you get that letter from the company you know exactly who is doing it and you go and stop them.
This is probably a situation where someone needs photoshop etc but the company they work for is reluctant to pay for it. They have in turn took it upon themselves to use a cracked version.
IT budgets are shrinking every year and in general software gets more and more expensive so it's hardly shocking to see this happening.
Non IT people in a company don't see the merit in spending money on IT if everything is running smoothly. Only when things start going wrong will anyone notice the IT department has been lacking in funds for years. It's a catch 22 situation, if you run your department well people think you are doing nothing, if you run it badly people think you are constantly busy.
SlickShoes
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IT sounds like someone in the IT department fucked up the activation, when creating windows images to be rolled out to thousands of computers there are certain things you must do to prevent this issue.
It sounds like they have cloned the OS without removing certain info which would in turn make windows think that each computer is the same one and hundreds then fail activation.
Could have been a myriad of other issues as well but it's bad practice and something that in my last job I would never have got away with if I had made such a huge mistake in my job.
tattooed_dwarf
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My girlfriend gets same message after I changed hard drive to her laptop and re-installed windows 7 using cd that was provided with laptop.
The things you listed shouldn't mean the price should go up. It means the price should go down. Some people, which you guys seem to be happy to ignore are not rich and can't afford to pay extortionate prices for software, yet to actually get anywhere in the world they need the software to work.
BertramCooper
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They're really quite reasonable. And because of the way they're priced, it's easy to make the case to your employer to get the full suite instead of just a handful.
Once you get Creative Cloud in your company's annual budget you're good to go. You'll never have to fight your boss to purchase CS upgrades again because you'll always have them.
Yep, that's how Adobe gets to have their cake and eat it too.
Making their software affordable for hobbyists would hurt their enterprise revenue while hunting down non-enterprise pirates would increase demand for cheaper/free alternatives and the likelihood of said alternatives becoming viable for enterprises.
Photoshop must be the most pirated software out there for hobbyists just indulging in casual design every now and then. I've never really understood why Adobe hasn't attempted to capitalize on legitimizing that demographic by just offering outdated legacy versions at a steep discount. The subscription model is terrible value for someone that'd use it maybe once every two weeks just to make a meme image or forum signature or whatever.
I seem to recall Gabe Newell actually talking to Adobe about this and potentially putting their products on Steam, and he thought they were out of touch with reality.
I seem to recall Gabe Newell actually talking to Adobe about this and potentially putting their products on Steam, and he thought they were out of touch with reality.
Clinton514
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Adobe's subscription based software is annoying. Luckily I managed to purchase an older and quite capable version. We need better alternatives to Adobes Suites.
Forever 21 slipped up and got caught. Ha!
Forever 21 slipped up and got caught. Ha!
I tanked a a Fedex Office (Kinkos then) interview years ago, and one of the interview questions was, "How familiar are you with Photoshop?" I explained I had used it for school, church, and family and friends projects, mostly self taught.
She then asked how I was able to pay for it on my own as I was still in school and young. My dumbass said "Oh, I just downloaded it off the internet."
Needless to say didn't get the job.
She then asked how I was able to pay for it on my own as I was still in school and young. My dumbass said "Oh, I just downloaded it off the internet."
Needless to say didn't get the job.
ZackieChan
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You have to be born with a "gold spoon in hand" to afford Photoshop? When you're a huge company like Forever 21?
If nothing else, Adobe has done a great job making Photoshop pretty affordable, I think. Especially for students.
NekoFever
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You can get Photoshop + Lightroom for $9.99 a month.
AFAIK Corel is used to make South Park, so yeah, its still around and widely used.
WanderingWind
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Adobe's subscription models sucks, but it absolutely brilliant in its execution. For one, they continue to slowly roll out new features, so that every new update is more akin to an expansion pack than a bug squash. So, even if I wanted to stop my CC subscription and buy CS6, I'd be buying a gimped version of most of the products. And I use Photoshop, Bridge, Muse and Lightroom just about every single day.
I didn't start out this way, but unless I change careers entirely, I'm Abode's cabana boy for the foreseeable future. They're on a level of evil infiltration into their niche that nobody can really touch.
I didn't start out this way, but unless I change careers entirely, I'm Abode's cabana boy for the foreseeable future. They're on a level of evil infiltration into their niche that nobody can really touch.
Neuromancer
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Oh ok my bad. I was tired.
CapitalismSucks DonkeyBalls
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I'm also not a multi-million dollar company that could have afforded the suite to begin with. So I am allowed to laugh at this tomfoolery.
That's what's brilliant about it. You argue for something you legit need, and then it's just there in the budget forever. You don't have to bring it up every year or upgrade and make a case that somehow this small feature will totally be used.
Plus having the whole suite is so nice for a designer in a smaller business. They can branch out and try different things. The business can experiment with something and not have to pay thousands for that program to maybe do a one-off video or whatever it is. You already have it.
And as I said, 50 bucks a month is like nothing unless your business is really really tiny.
TerryLee81
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Wonder if this was comming from IT or if some emplyees just insatlled it on their own.
WinZip has its own encryption standard so if you get a WinZip encrypted archive you're SOL with anything else.
PetriP-TNT
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It's actually quite the opposite, because of the subscription model they can squash bugs way more easily than before, just because every update doesn't have to have a new killer feature like during the CS era.
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