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Adobe is suing Forever 21 for pirating Photoshop
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WanderingWind
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I don't see how that's the opposite of what I said, tbh, but yeah, the updates are nice. Especially on their newer products like Muse.
Why? Best of breed typically costs more. It's based on demand. Competition is what drives pricing down, and the reality is the competition isn't good enough.
There's a reason Office is the priciest office suite.
Who says I like the pricing? I'm objectively talking about realities of how markets work. You seem to be taking this personally and putting words in my mouth.
And what do you mean need the software to work? If you're attempting to do commercial work, it should obviously be part of your business plan. If you're talking about simply training to get good at using it, Adobe turns a blind eye to non-commercial piracy. Should they lower the student pricing version? Or even offer a free one? I certainly think they should, but they seem to be content with how things have worked for years. You train on a pirated version, and once you get a job ... it's expected the employer (or you if working solo) get a license.
God Dayumm
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I thought you liked fashion freenood
Omegasquash
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WInzip brings back memories.
Conkerkid11
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The thing is that Forever 21 has money to give them.
People who use it for personal use, especially students, aren't likely to have much of anything to offer them.
IndieJones
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I do in-house design for a large corp, and we all have the appropriate licenses of course, everything's fine, but whenever I mention to my co-workers that I have an Adobe CC subscription at home - every single application Adobe makes for only $50 a month - they give me the blankest "why would you pay for that software you dumb fuck" stare, and it's depressing.
YuriLowell
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You would be amazed at all the companies that pirate software.
Its pretty damn common.
Its pretty damn common.
juicyfruitas
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Child, please
maybe for small mom/pop operations sure.
But Western corporations with over $1 billion in annum sales? Can't think of any off the top of my head. Can you?
Angelus Errare
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On OSX there's Pixelmator which is the next best thing. And for an illustrator alternative there's Affinity Designer and Sketch 3.
On Windows...GIMP?
opticalmace
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Forever 21?
and its only 50 for all of that too...
Adobe did this with CS2, about 2-3 years ago, IIRC.
Well, technically it wasn't "free." It was meant for those who held a license, but it was all honor system.
Basically, Adobe shut down the activation servers so they put the whole suite up on their website, along with a universal serial key.
Student licenses are super cheap. Was something like $130-150 before the subscription model.
Of course, if you just need it for a single project, there is also the 30-day, fully functional trial.
This is why smart people use 7zip.
uh, wr barely started getting any nag screens, and wz is trialware for those few in the thread that dont understand it.... also wz is one of the highest grossing trialware software, they made 75m last time their info was publicly available.
Nexus Zero
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50 dollars a month is a fuck load! Most of Adobe's stuff is terrible and not many people are that multitalented. The photography bundle is infinitely better value, if you could throw in Illustrator for an extra fiver I'd be there too.
But no qualms with people (not corps) pirating photoshop in the good old days. Or now, actually (who am I to judge what a reasonable price is to another person?). If you can't afford something that you can acquire a copy of for free, take the copy!
But no qualms with people (not corps) pirating photoshop in the good old days. Or now, actually (who am I to judge what a reasonable price is to another person?). If you can't afford something that you can acquire a copy of for free, take the copy!
ZackieChan
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They didn't create Photoshop for someone who is making a forum signature or a meme image. There are plenty of free tools that allow you to do stuff like that. People pirate it anyway.
If your actual job is to use Photoshop, then you should be paying for it. A plumber shouldn't be allowed to just steal their tools, neither should an artist.
What the fuck is this post? Dat piracy advocacy. Want to provide some torrent links, while you're at it?
LostCaress
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I think some software wins by being piratable, but kind of a nuisance to do so. Allows it to become a standard, still profits from commercial use, and people who have the money will (ok, sometimes) buy it.
If photoshop had always been 100% un-crackable, people would've just mostly looked for alternatives.
If photoshop had always been 100% un-crackable, people would've just mostly looked for alternatives.
Subpar Spatula
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You have to use a download manager with FTP capabilities.
We should have a test required before joining.
Subpar Spatula
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If I failed then you failed because obvious sarcasm went over your head.
ZackieChan
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One is provided with GafGold, IIRC.
Shogmaster
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One of my coworkers use to work at 21. She sez that the Mr Choi the owner is a stingy fucking bastard. She told me story of them putting in a requisition for some staplers. He said no. Share the one they already had in the office he said.
This is typical of Korean small business owners. I worked for several in my time here in LA. They are all stingy, all abuse their workers, all devout Christians, and all pirate their creative software. F21 just happens to be one of these small LA Korean owned businesses that got huge.
This is typical of Korean small business owners. I worked for several in my time here in LA. They are all stingy, all abuse their workers, all devout Christians, and all pirate their creative software. F21 just happens to be one of these small LA Korean owned businesses that got huge.
Nope.
WinZip's bespoke encryption is recognised by ISO. If a company is working to a certain ISO accreditation standard for transferring encrypted data, they often don't have a choice.
We have to use both 7zip and WinZip for that reason.
Mailenstein
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I work in IT (system engineering/network integration) and as a matter of fact, this is pretty common tbh. I was involved in dozens of projects; also with big known brands/companies, so Forever 21 isn't really a shocker. You wouldn't believe how many people run Little Snitch - probably pirated too.
SolidusDave
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I'm not sure if they actually factor this in, but yeah, it's part of why certain software is so popular. At least I've never heard them going after individual torrent users etc. like pretty much all other industries have (movies, music, games).
Being the best/best to use is one thing, but that doesn't matter at all if people are used to using something else.
However, the actual strategy is to make deals with universities for discounts or free copies for all registered students. Those are the most likely to end up in companies that need this kind of software thus they have to buy licenses in bulk for whatever their staff can work with and prices don't matter much. (and then it continues by them demanding new applicants to have knowledge of this software)
Yet those people use it en masse, regardless. The way I see it, you might as well monetize as much as you can from such a huge demographic.
PeakPointMatrix
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DataStream
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Any thoughts expressed in this post are my own and do not reflect the views of my employer.
I'm not aware of us ever doing this either in the almost 6 years I've worked there.
Internally, changing our model to subscription has freed up product development. We still have room to improve things, but being able to look at industry trends and deliver value when it makes sense to customers as opposed to marketing cycles (and not needing to release updates for all products in unison) is really liberating.
WonderingWind said:
As a member of the Muse team, I approve of this message.
bannedmelon
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Several people in here are multimillion dollar corporations using pirated software to make profits that completely dwarf their software costs!?
Photoshop cs6 costs $700. It's a very powerful and ubiquitous program, but that's a massively unfair price for what most people want to use it for, and still an extortionate one for a lot of students and less casual users. One could make a lot of fine points on the ethics of piracy, but don't pretend these two things are equatable.
Wikipedia says Do Won Chang is the owner.
Winterfang
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LOL sucks for Adobe man. Pirating the thing is so common, I bet there's generations that don't even know you can buy the stuff.
travisbickle
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Probably enough large/mid-size organisations to go after with illegal copies of software, "easy cost cutting measure" and I've heard that said first hand!
We all know there's a shit load of bedroom design studios that do the same, but you end up looking like evil film studios if you chase after teenage startups.
What's it like for game development, are people stealing software there too?
We all know there's a shit load of bedroom design studios that do the same, but you end up looking like evil film studios if you chase after teenage startups.
What's it like for game development, are people stealing software there too?
Its a hard thing to control in large organisations. It is not because they don't have the money.
Sometimes, there are instances where you have freelancers who require adobe applications on their new computer setup. They don't get it for whatever reasons and either install a trail which later then gets cracked by another person under the pump.
Adobe actually conducts piracy audits. The company I work at gets audited every now and then. They are fairly lenient and just ask us to remove them. One year we had nearly over 60 pirated adobe software installed worldwide and they didn't even chuck a stink.
Forever 21 must have done something else to push Adobe.
Sometimes, there are instances where you have freelancers who require adobe applications on their new computer setup. They don't get it for whatever reasons and either install a trail which later then gets cracked by another person under the pump.
Adobe actually conducts piracy audits. The company I work at gets audited every now and then. They are fairly lenient and just ask us to remove them. One year we had nearly over 60 pirated adobe software installed worldwide and they didn't even chuck a stink.
Forever 21 must have done something else to push Adobe.
Sounds like a recurring issue as far as forever 21 is concerned.
quickwhips
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This is more likely a reason you don't let users be admins of their own boxes at work. This way people aren't bringing in their own software and installing it. I bet this isn't forever 21 just pirating this software....more of this still will probably come out.
Angelus Errare
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Yea, 62 copies of Photoshop used illegally is going to end the billion dollar brand that is Forever 21. :3
ZackieChan
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Yeah, they didn't respond to the audit.
POWERSPHERE
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God being 21 forever would be eternal hell
Learn something new every day.
Photoshop may be expensive, but that is because it is a "powerful and ubiquitous program."
"Most people" don't need it to do what they use it for. There are numerous alternatives that are also fully featured, ranging from cheap to completely free.
Adobe themselves offers up Photoshop Elements, which usually sells for ~$80. It's not as fully featured as Photoshop, but it offers a lot of common tasks.
Corel makes PaintShop Pro, which offers more than Photoshop Elements and usually sells for ~$50 or so on sale. Sometimes you can get the prior year's version for free afte rebate.
GIMP is open source and free.
And if someone REALLY needs Photoshop for a one-off project, they can use the one month free trial or pay $10 to get it for a month.
Cost is not a reason to justify pirating Photoshop.
DataStream
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I would not make that assumption. Years ago I worked for a newspaper conglomerate and IT was definitely the ones who install hacked software.
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