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brain_stew said:
Doctored game play videos ?
what is this, killzone 2 all over again ? :lol
are you gonna say guys like blimblim are blind fanboys next ?:lol
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Doctored game play videos ?
what is this, killzone 2 all over again ? :lol
are you gonna say guys like blimblim are blind fanboys next ?:lol
brain_stew
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zoukka said:
I strongly disagree (and running RE4 through Dolphin proves this) but you're arguing for something entirely different here. You're placing a certain nostalgia on games viewed through a CRT TV that doesn't have a fixed resolution. Its an apples - oranges comparison (a comparison that you're making in your head, not in reality) and completely irrelevant, and about a different game to the one you originally mentioned as well. On the same fixed pixel display, a higher resolution will always look objectively better.
chandoog said:
Previous released video media has been rendered in native 720p. Alan Wake is not 720p thus they're misleading not representative of the final product.
Drinking Hatorade
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for what it's worth, i think the game looks great. as long as the resolution isnt low enough to detract from my experience then im happy. from 95% of the pics and vids i've seen it's an impressive game and Blim's previous comments confirm that.
i can however understand why a pc gamer would be unimpressed with the resolution but sometimes the constant re-interation of how unimpressive it is to them is unnecessary.
i can however understand why a pc gamer would be unimpressed with the resolution but sometimes the constant re-interation of how unimpressive it is to them is unnecessary.
thelastword
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You play Tekken6? I've platinumned the game, damn we should have met earlier.....anyhoos, I will have you know, that I play Tekken 6 with motion blur off with 2xaa, it looks much better to me and to be frank, I really don't see all the noise Namco made about the motion blur implemented in the game, I much rather the cleaner image over the MB. By the way, I play Law, perhaps we can run some games sometime.zoukka said:
Trunchisholm
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thelastword said:
I'm not putting them on any pedestal. I simply hold the strange opinion that they might even know what they're doing more than you and me. You can say whatever you want, but they're not making the game for you. What you can do is to not buy the game, if you feel so strongly about this.
You've got to be kidding me... :-/ Go play with them Crysis settings...
adamsapple
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brain_stew said:
I would really like to see where it's been dissected that the previously released GAME PLAY VIDEOS were doctored, not the cut scenes, the game play.
brain_stew
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Aigis said:
Yes. I have no nostalgia for the truly atrocious image quality of that game, nor could I fathom how anyone could either.
thelastword
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If you had shown me these recent screens much earlier, I would immediately alert you to the subHDness of AW, you don't have to count the pixels to know Doog.chandoog said:
David H Wong
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DennisK4 said:
No, we have people who actually play games to enjoy them vs people who play games to count pixels and then use the resulting data as grounds to scream insults at that first group.
Games shouldn't be "fun" damn it! They should purely display a certain number of pixels! That's all that matters!
David H Wong
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brain_stew said:
Yes, how could anyone have nostalgia for what is considered one of the best games ever made when IT CLEARLY DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH PIXELS.
Is pixel-counting a form of OCD?
Trunchisholm
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DennisK4 said:
I wasn't talking about you, but your simplification was indeed terrible. You seem to think that technical knowledge is linked to the choice of a given platform, which is, at best, incorrect. It's true that most console users don't know a thing about 3D rendering, but the same can be said about many PC gamers who won't ever play with driver/game settings. There's life outside GAF, you know... What happens here is hardly representative of the general situation in that regard.
Indeed it is. People refusing to play games on the basis of inferior pixel quantity... :lol You can only have admirating for pixel whores. They're depriving themselves of fun for the greater good!
brain_stew said:
Nostalgia? Pfff I'm not that stupid. I kept my old SDTV just for Wii and all the older games I owned. And they look considerably better on that that any HDTV I've seen them played on. I also happen to make graphics for videogames in my school and I sure as fuck know why you need to design your assets to match the display it will be played on. You actually think some crude 3D on Nintendo DS would look better on twice the resolution?
Again, game visuals are all about smoke & mirrors. If your game is designed to match low resolution, it won't magically look better on higher res. Unless of course this is a matter of taste to some degree *gasp*. I for one can't imagine that the textures in RE4 would look passable on high resolution displays.
Bonus level: SDTV's will kill whatever tft display you're pimping in terms of image quality if on same resolution.
Find me one complaint about the visuals of RE4 GC version from the days it was released. I dare you.
Haven't played in a long time now sorry.
brain_stew
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David H Wong said:
You know, if you actually read what I said before responding then your posts may not come off as if they're written by a raging lunatic. Dunno, do what you must, but it might prove useful advice in the future. Most would consider it basic common courtesy.
http://i26.tinypic.com/288qas3.jpgzoukka said:
http://i30.tinypic.com/t4zfco.jpg
http://i28.tinypic.com/2j3h9bl.jpg
That's the Wii version on Dolphin. Looks pretty good tbh.
Trunchisholm
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iceatcs said:
What are we exactly looking at here? Those look like the same bullshot, only one with the HUD on. As far as I know, those are NOT gameplay screenshots and they don't prove anything.
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iceatcs said:
MWS Natural
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Karma said:
Obviously money hats are involved.
On a serious note I hope Brain_stew is wrong and Alan Wake will look amazing.
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MWS Natural said:
Safe to say odds are very high you're right on both accounts.
brain_stew
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MWS Natural said:
I never made the claim that the game rendered at 960x540, multiple people much smarter than me did and they backed it up with pretty irrefutable evidence. Then Remedy went ahead and confirmed it themselves.
Metalic Sand
who is Emo-Beas?
MWS Natural said:
Cant you form a opinion by watching some videos or screens? Or do you think itll somehow magically change come release?
Trying to understand what you are trying to say really. Stuff is already released showing the game.
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Dries said:
Precisely. It's as simple as that folks.
2 Minutes Turkish
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Do pixel counters and PC gamers actually enjoy gaming anymore?
No seriously.
If it wasn't for GAF, I wouldn't even know if a game was sub HD or not, and I'd think pretty much every game (within reason) looks awesome.
I meam, for fucks sake, the majority of the world has already said it's happy with SD, but now some of you twits are worrying that our HD games aren't 'true HD'? Fuck off.
No seriously.
If it wasn't for GAF, I wouldn't even know if a game was sub HD or not, and I'd think pretty much every game (within reason) looks awesome.
I meam, for fucks sake, the majority of the world has already said it's happy with SD, but now some of you twits are worrying that our HD games aren't 'true HD'? Fuck off.
adamsapple
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brain_stew said:
You on the other hand made the stupid claim that all game play footage release thus far has been doctored by Remedy as well, and you've yet to back it up.
So, time to put up or shut up . no ?
brain_stew
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2 Minutes Turkish said:
Do you own a HDTV?
Metalic Sand
who is Emo-Beas?
2 Minutes Turkish said:
Wasnt this gens price hike because of making games for "HD" consoles alot more. I can see why people would be pissed with alot of games being Sub-HD.
Back to Alan Wake. Im wondering if the commentary(In the CE) will be anything like Valves commentary modes which kick so much ass.
brain_stew
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chandoog said:
I said that all the media released thus far is not representative of the final product and its not. All the official videos that I've seen have been native 720p, so in essence, yes, they've been doctored. Why do you think there was not a hint that the game rendered at 540p before this weekend?
All stills have been either bullshots or PC shots as well.
adamsapple
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brain_stew said:
How's about you whip out some of that irrefutable evidence that suggests that the GAME PLAY VIDEOS (note, game play videos, not cut scenes which we already know are pre rendered at 720p) are doctored to native 720p as well.
Cause you sure as hell seem confident in what you're saying, and I would love some evidence of it.
Use videos from here for reference : http://www.eurogamer.net/game/alan-wake-xbox360/videos
Metalic Sand said:
99% of gamers wouldn't know the difference. Like a customer doesn't know he's getting assraped by edge-lid HD TV's that are marketed simply as LED TV's. Brain_Stew is a jerk just like I am with comic books. I go and spoil my friends enjoyement by commenting on the inferior quality of the ink, paper and layout of some cheapter releases of the same fucking b&w comic. We all have our shitty perks.
LiquidMetal14
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You're mistaken. Most of the back and forth is purely tech talk. The game will be fine.mack said:
The problem is the scaler outputs to 720 from the source (the game) which is at a lower resolution than 720p.chandoog said:
brain_stew
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mack said:
I wish this stupid meme was banned by now. The personal attacks are getting tiresome now. I'd have fucked off a long time ago if it wasn't for endless pages of baseless claims, personal attacks and utter defiance of cast iron evidence. But hey, keep showing up your ignorance and keep tugging the party line.
2 Minutes Turkish
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brain_stew said:
Yep. And I notice the little thigns too. Like how my games look better on my 1366 x 768 Bravia compared to my 1080p 800A Panasonic Plasma. And I'm aware of why that is too.
But in the end, these console games all look HD for all intents and purposes.
I mean, play Virtua Tennis 3 a native 1080p game, and then play Gears of War 2, and any J6P will tell you that Gears 'looks better' or 'moar HD' despite it not being the case.
So why care so much?
Metalic Sand said:
But to most people the game still LOOKS HD. That's the thing here. The vast majority would not notice if the game was sub-HD or not. All most of us would notice are jaggies, and maybe some screen tearing if it's noticeable enough like in RE5.
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2 Minutes Turkish said:
Then you have invested your own money for the soul purpose of viewing content produced in a higher resolution. You care enough about resolution to lay down cold hard cash to improve this single area of image quality (while almost certainly giving up quality in other areas in the process) and then claim that resolution doesn't make any difference. You're a hypocrite. I don't debate with hypocrites.
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Vamphuntr said:
you mean the DOCTORED GAME PLAY FOOTAGE ? :lol
thelastword
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WOW, what a view, I guess all games would receive a 10/10 for graphics from you, when one of the highlights of this generation was that games would be in HD (meaning 720P mininmum).2 Minutes Turkish said:
All of a sudden, people can't seem to differentiate between HD and NON_HD, all games looks the same....quite reminiscent of folks who claimed that a dvd upscaled to 1080p looked just as good as 1080p native content. It's just bollocks.
At this point nobody is touching on aspects of gameplay, because frankly no one has played the game, yet some folks are already crowning it GOTY in writ. The tech is what we can discuss now and it has alot to do with how believable an atmosphere the dev can create with the gameplay they want to push forward.