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Alec Baldwin Kills Cinematographer Halyna Hutchins With Real Gun
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Gp1
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The marvelous world of the Youtube.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Cold and callous. Sociopath.
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Ballthyrm
Member
I thought it was, don't point it at people period.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Cold and callous. Sociopath.
That's full on lawyer speak. I'm suprised he managed to stay on script, he seemed kind of unhinged in that interview in the street where his wife was trying to drag him away.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Right - always treat a gun like it is loaded. Which on some movie sets is a rule that is often broken, but under what should be highly controlled situations. Same as don't blow shit-up, don't set people on fire, don't drive recklessly etc.
There were failures at pretty much every step of the way on this set. This wasn't an avoidable but understandable failure like the death of Brandon Lee, this was complete failure of controls every step of the way. There is absolutely no way that completely live ammunition should be on a movie set, should then be loaded into a gun, should then be handed to an actor, who then fires it at a person.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
It is, we have some mental gymnastics up in this bitch.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Probably, but extremely unlikely that he is found guilty or spends time behind bars. If they can prove he knew it was loaded or that he did it on purpose then yeah I can see jail time.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Involuntary Manslaughter wouldve been a guarantee if he wasnt handed a weapon by someone else. It will be tough to get an indictment from the grand jury unless they bring the charges against the Armorer and the Assistant director.
But then they can argue that if Alec doesnt pull the trigger, no one gets hurt. And Alec can argue that if the gun didnt have a live round, no one gets hurt.
I just dont see any jury convicting anyone for this, and the prosecutors might think the same and drop the case. It's just a tragic series of mistakes by everyone involved, but not exactly criminal.
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Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Exactly. No one can deny this was just a cascade of mistakes and stupidity, but highly unlikely Baldwin is found guilty of anything and sent to jail.
He and the people involved will be paying out a massive civil suit though.
It was a real working firearm. If this was a prop gun that had a hot squib or something then I could see "workplace accident". But this was a REAL gun he pointed at a person and manipulated the firing mechanism. People go to jail for this very thing (brandishing) or for neigent discharges of an 'unloaded' gun.
It would be like a movie sword fight with real steel swords. "But it wasn't sharpened!" he says has he drives the point through someone's skill.
It would be like a movie sword fight with real steel swords. "But it wasn't sharpened!" he says has he drives the point through someone's skill.
daveonezero
Banned
This is why the rules of fire arm safety are what they are. To avoid all mistakes and negligence. From others in the industry there was negligence. He accepted the gun from someone that shouldn’t have handed it to him and he or that person never checked it.
it isn’t crazy a live round was on set.
you don’t get to say “we made mistakes and didn’t follow the rules”
and then say
“I wasn’t responsible”
No you were responsible for following the rules. If you don’t then the repercussions are severe.
this isn’t that hard and no one but a Hollywood actor would be given this much grace. Not even a police officer is given this much leeway.
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Halo is Back
Member
I find this whole thing ironic. Alec did that interview because he is a self-absorbed Hollywood actor that needed to be in the spotlight. He literally said he couldn’t wait for the investigation to be over before defending himself. Now that the attention was directed back at him, he jumps ship lol.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
"I cocked the hammer, but I didn't pull the trigger."
"I smoked, but I did not inhale." (remember that one?)
"I smoked, but I did not inhale." (remember that one?)
ResilientBanana
Member
Rediculous, every time I’m handed a fire arm, the person handing it to me removes the magazine and checks the chamber. I always check the chamber myself as well as I don’t want to hurt anyone. This guy is a piece of shit.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
He's gonna get sued to high heaven if he doesn't face any criminal negligence charges.
Razvedka
Banned
The stuff I'm hearing about what went on at that set is kind of mind boggling. If tomorrow I got cast on a show where I had to shoot prop guns I'd be very OCD about it. If you know how to use & treat guns then being in a movie is asking you to violate everything you know (pointing and shooting at someone).
Y’all empty vessel posers in here projecting this and that he said she said political bullshit, can kiss my ass. I spoke from experience with firearms for over 30 years, as well as my film set experience on firearm safety with actors.
Firearm safely 101, Clooney knows.
And here is a seasoned veteran backing it up. That is proper procedure both on and off sets.
The only exception is elitism and public hero worship holding them to a different standard than if you did this in your own backyard.
I'd consult the armorer, talk to the other actors, I'd never point it anywhere inappropriate until the scene starts and honestly I would check the barrel. Hell I'd probably request to inspect the damn rounds in front of the armorer too. Paranoia up to 11.
And it's not just for safety on set. You develop bad habits there with highly realistic guns and ammo and that kind of nasty mentality can walk off set with you into the real world. That's how you get NDs or accidental deaths at home. No thanks.
I'd be a wreak on set as someone who owns guns IRL.
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Halo is Back
Member
I'm no lawyer (clearly), but I thought it would be the production company that would be sued?
Everyone involved is going to get sued unless they settle pre-suit. Working for someone is not a shield to lawsuits if a defendant was personally negligent (or alleged to be).
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I havent followed the aftermath or watched the video, but can you guys give a recap what's he's trying to claim?
Is it the gun is shoddy and accidentally went off by itself?
Is it the gun is shoddy and accidentally went off by itself?
Thaedolus
Gold Member
It’s actually both: check if it’s loaded, and never point it at something you don’t intend to shoot (even if you think it’s not loaded/safe)
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
He owns the production company. That is why all this blame shifting is well... cute.
El Dorado Pictures - Production List | Film & Television Industry Alliance
El Dorado Pictures is home to actor Alec Baldwin. El Dorado Pictures develops scripted and unscripted projects under the ABC Studios banner. The production company’s development executive, Mallory Schwartz, oversees the production slate and Baldwin is the executive producer.
productionlist.com
He is not only the lowly newbie actor who never handled a firearm ever in his virgin career with universal safety rules (sarcasm), he was the man at the top of production.
They conveniently leave that out of these fluff interviews.
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Halo is Back
Member
Yea, I thought he was part of the production company. Idk, but I'm sure the family will sue the production company as well anyway.He owns the production company. That is why all this blame shifting is well... cute.
El Dorado Pictures - Production List | Film & Television Industry Alliance
El Dorado Pictures is home to actor Alec Baldwin. El Dorado Pictures develops scripted and unscripted projects under the ABC Studios banner. The production company’s development executive, Mallory Schwartz, oversees the production slate and Baldwin is the executive producer.
He is not only the lowly newbie actor who never handled a firearm ever in his virgin career with universal safety rules (sarcasm), he was the man at the top of production.
They conveniently leave that out of these fluff interviews.
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Halo is Back
Member
nvm
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Cleared_Hot
Member
He didn't check the weapon himself, and he absolutely did pull the trigger. He's lying.
daveonezero
Banned
Dude didnt even have to check it himself. He should have differed to the person he hired to do that job.
But instead took it from the assistant director.
At that point he and everyone else on set should have said let’s not do this unless we want to take responsibility for someone’s death.
Instead he just assumed it’s near impossible That a live round could be in the gun.
people dry fire with their defense guns all the time and they never make this assumption because their children or themselves could die.
But instead took it from the assistant director.
At that point he and everyone else on set should have said let’s not do this unless we want to take responsibility for someone’s death.
Instead he just assumed it’s near impossible That a live round could be in the gun.
people dry fire with their defense guns all the time and they never make this assumption because their children or themselves could die.
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CGiRanger
Banned
He lives in his own world the same as a lot of other elites, that feel the rules of "regular people" don't apply to them, and they can do anything they want. That combined with their unbridled narcissistic personalities means this is what you'd expect for someone like him who also has zero moral compass whatsoever.
Halo is Back
Member
He is a Hollywood self-absorbed actor so he constantly needs attention to stroke his ego. Anyone with a brain would have told him that doing a public TV interview before criminal charges were set is a bad idea, but no, he just couldn’t fucking help himself.
Amory
Member
True but isn't that why narcissistic celebrities have publicists? To help them relate to the unwashed masses?
Halo is Back
Member
Can you believe this but CNN got an expert to say the same thing? I think Alec might face charges for this, he also brings up a good point that Alec should have objected to the assistant director handing him the gun and not the armour. He says Alec should have known that was a safety violation in the first place.
Halo is Back
Member
They can only do so much. Can't keep a rabid dog on a loose chain. I'm sure his lawyer told him not to do this too.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Search warrant issued for Alec Baldwin’s phone over fatal ‘Rust’ shooting
Police in Santa Fe, New Mexico have gotten a search warrant for Alec Baldwin’s cellphone to probe the death of a cinematographer he fatally shot on the set of the movie “Rust.”
nypost.com
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Search warrant issued for Alec Baldwin’s phone over fatal ‘Rust’ shooting
Police in Santa Fe, New Mexico have gotten a search warrant for Alec Baldwin’s cellphone to probe the death of a cinematographer he fatally shot on the set of the movie “Rust.”
That's an interesting development? If it was a prop accident then why do they need to prob his phone?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Apparently he is denying that he requested "a bigger gun."
Just another Hollywood elite that tells the plebs how they should think and live. Only this one is so ignorant and reckless he killed someone. I can’t even fathom pointing a gun at someone (Unless I intend to shoot), loaded or unloaded. Guns are ALWAYS loaded (even when they are not). If he was anywhere the expert he thinks he is, he would have known this.
Only a fool trusts a gun is empty.
I hope you don’t handle guns.
Lady Redfield
Member
I don’t doubt that he feels bad for what happened, but, interviewing him is hilarious, in a bad way. He’s an actor, he’s gonna use that in the interview, I couldn’t take him seriously. He also had a long time to put together what he wanted to say/how he wanted to respond to the questions.
MaulerX
Member
According to info obtained from court filings today Alec Baldwin is actually blaming the victim Halyna Hutchins??
nypost.com
He said she instructed him to point the gun at her. He previously said that he would never point the gun at anybody effectively contradicting himself.
Wtf??
Alec Baldwin’s despicable defense in the shooting of Halyna Hutchins
In court documents filed on Friday morning, Alec Baldwin blamed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins for shooting her on the set of “Rust”. Her widower, Matthew, deserves to sue him for everything.
nypost.com
He said she instructed him to point the gun at her. He previously said that he would never point the gun at anybody effectively contradicting himself.
Wtf??
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
But of course it's a valid reason!!!!According to info obtained from court filings today Alec Baldwin is actually blaming the victim Halyna Hutchins??
Alec Baldwin’s despicable defense in the shooting of Halyna Hutchins
In court documents filed on Friday morning, Alec Baldwin blamed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins for shooting her on the set of “Rust”. Her widower, Matthew, deserves to sue him for everything.
He said she instructed him to point the gun at her. He previously said that he would never point the gun at anybody effectively contradicting himself.
Wtf??
If you tell me to stab you with a knife, and I do stab you, it's your fault!
