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Alien: Covenant - The Prologue footage

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Bobby Roberts said:
Just based on what's been officially released in the marketing, and via people's reactions to the preview reel that's been screened, this is going to easily be the most violent of the Alien films.
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Of course ever more violence. Just a way to hide the fact that the Alien franchise should be dead by now by appealing to gore-craving audiences.
 
Bobby Roberts said:
Alien 3 was the first time it seemed particularly nasty. The first two movies were pretty reserved so far as blood & guts went.

Just based on what's been officially released in the marketing, and via people's reactions to the preview reel that's been screened, this is going to easily be the most violent of the Alien films.

Now, does that inherently make the violence cheap? Who knows. The last time Ridley went for it in terms of gore was probably Hannibal. I don't know if I'd call that movie cheap in its intent or execution. It didn't work all that well, obviously. But I don't know if it was due to any percieved "cheapness" either.
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I've seen some cam stuff and uh yeah it does look pretty damn violent. Whether that's going to work in it's favour or not who knows but just from the little I've seen I'm a little more interested in seeing this in the cinema.
 
speculation but tagged because ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'm guessing the
2000 human embryos
on board the covenant will somehow
become the xeno egg cache that ends up on LV 426
.
 
I mean they weren't exactly subtle about David's sinister cryotube peeking.

I hope that's a red herring
 
Bobby Roberts said:
Alien 3 was the first time it seemed particularly nasty. The first two movies were pretty reserved so far as blood & guts went.

Just based on what's been officially released in the marketing, and via people's reactions to the preview reel that's been screened, this is going to easily be the most violent of the Alien films.

Now, does that inherently make the violence cheap? Who knows. The last time Ridley went for it in terms of gore was probably Hannibal. I don't know if I'd call that movie cheap in its intent or execution. It didn't work all that well, obviously. But I don't know if it was due to any percieved "cheapness" either.
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If Prometheus is any indicator, the violence and creatures will be the redeeming qualities. If the movie sucks, it'll be because of everything else. If anything, Prometheus wasn't enough of a body horror alien slasher flick. Any kind of dramatic story and god allegory it was trying to tell fell flat on its face. Like, Prometheus had some good deaths and creature designs. But how it writes the characters into those deaths suck. Scientist guy getting his arm broken by an alien viper worm and having it slide down his throat is a good death. Getting there by having him approach it as if it were a friendly animal is bad though. That's honestly the only good death now that I think of it. Everyone else gets TV show deaths where they get flung across the room by a human enemy.

Prometheus was a bad sci fi film and a bad slasher film. If Covenant can at least excel as a gory alien slasher film, then I can at least enjoy it on that level.
 
sc0la said:
speculation but tagged because ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'm guessing the
2000 human embryos
on board the covenant will somehow
become the xeno egg cache that ends up on LV 426
.
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I think you're getting too ahead of the game when there's another two films being planned.
 
While the one scene I saw may not be indicative of the whole film, it was very gory. I'd certainly put it above Alien 3's gore. It didn't feel ridiculous or over the top like some cheesy horror movie though. I wouldn't call it gratuitous. The way everything was shot and edited, it felt appropriate for the material. In some ways, it was more comparable to a war movie. It's extreme enough to shock, yet grounded enough to be believable and naturally draw you into the visceral horrors of the scene. Hopefully, there rest of the movie is along the same lines.

Bobby Roberts said:
The planet from Alien 3: Fury 151
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I think you meant 161.
 
Fiorna 161 "Fury"

Also, my favorite throw away line / caption in about alien 3 that is all the inmates were "double y" chromosom hyper aggressive "super males"

Edit: well actually *pushes up glasses*
 
sc0la said:
Fiorna 161 "Fury"

Also, my favorite throw away line / caption in about alien 3 that is all the inmates were "double y" chromosom hyper aggressive "super males"

Edit: well actually *pushes up glasses*
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All they said was that they were all double-Y, they didn't say anything about what effect that had.

The novelization goes into more detail, but with all the hell that film went through during production, I'm not sure the book could be considered canon in any way.

And "Fury" is short/slang for "Fiorina", so it still comes before the 161. Fiorina is only seen as an on-screen caption, Fury is the only name actually spoken aloud.

More of a problem that they called it "Fury 16" in the fourth film.
 
Pomerlaw said:
Of course ever more violence. Just a way to hide the fact that the Alien franchise should be dead by now by appealing to gore-craving audiences.
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Well, im out then!

I really liked the mythology and visuals of Prometheus but that c-section scene was too much for me. I couldn't see something that was worse
 
John Harker said:
Well, im out then!

I really liked the mythology and visuals of Prometheus but that c-section scene was too much for me. I couldn't see something that was worse
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The c-section scene wasn't even that graphic, nothing compared to what I've seen from Covenant, or even the birth of Kane's son. It was just intense.
 
Snaku said:
The c-section scene wasn't even that graphic, nothing compared to what I've seen from Covenant, or even the birth of Kane's son. It was just intense.
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Made me wince. Still graphic just not over the top-- more like really painful to watch, she's not even under during it.
 
Just watched a foreign version (Filipino?) Covenant trailer on youtube that shows a few seconds further past where the prologue ends after David opens the bomb bay door.
 
SuperStiltzkin said:
Well I'm sure you knew that he meant "cheap" as in used cheaply to simply shock and appall. To which I counter, is that not the entire point of the very first chestburster scene in Alien?
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Shocking is not inherently cheap.

Prior Alien films, including the original, didn't dwell on the gore.

The first was a thriller. The second an action flick. Yes, there was violence and death, but there wasn't violence just for violence's sake.

Watching some of the Covenant trailers I got the sense that Scott was going for a Saw vibe. Showing violence just because he could, and doing it because it was a way to distract from a weakness in the plot.

I'd much rather have an Alien film with tension and terror, then mindless blood-and-guts strewn across the screen because some exec committee said blood = profits.
 
ezekial45 said:
In case anyone was still holding out hope for Blomkamp's Alien movie happening in the future, Scott says that it's not happening.

http://collider.com/alien-5-neill-b...ium=social&utm_campaign=collidersocial#images
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I am Busty's complete lack of surprise.

I wonder when Blomkamp's going to stop acting like a spoilt child, fall in line and direct a franchise film for a studio to get himself back in the game?

Maybe soonish.

Maybe never.

Eh, either way he'll have this horrible Alien pitch to fall back on.

*chortle*
 
Bobby Roberts said:
The planet from Alien/Aliens: LV-426
The planet from Alien 3: Fury 161
The planet from Prometheus: LV-223
The planet from Covenant: unnammed/numbered as of yet.
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Track listing from the score lists the planet as "Planet 4"

http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2017/04/06/alien-covenant-soundtrack-track-listing/
Code: 
    Incubation
    The Covenant
    Neutrino Burst
    A Cabin On The Lake
    Sails
    Planet 4 / Main Theme
    Launcher Landing
    Wheat Field
    Spores
    The Med Bay
    Grass Attack
    Dead Civilization
    Survivors
    Payload Deployment
    Command Override
    Face Hugger
    Chest Burster
    Lonely Perfection
    Cargo Lift
    Bring It To My Turf
    Terraforming Bay
    Alien Covenant Theme
 
Bobby Roberts said:
I think the guy who said something about this xeno not really having any "mecha" and being all bio mighta seriously been onto something.
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I saw pics of the NECA figure of this Xeno. Looks to be all bio.

Disappointing, really. I love the design from the original film.
 
Number_6 said:
I saw pics of the NECA figure of this Xeno. Looks to be all bio.

Disappointing, really. I love the design from the original film.
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There's going to be both types in this film. The more organic looking Neomorph results from exposure to spores.
 
So is the "Covenant" an agreement that David made with The Engineers then? Like he's working for them in the movie, unbeknownst to his team.

I get the feeling things don't go well for Noomi Rapace.
 
.JayZii said:
So is the "Covenant" an agreement that David made with The Engineers then? Like he's working for them in the movie, unbeknownst to his team.

I get the feeling things don't go well for Noomi Rapace.
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It's the name of the colony ship that touches down on the planet on its way to its target.
 
Snaku said:
There's going to be both types in this film. The more organic looking Neomorph results from exposure to spores.
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We're not confusing the neomorph with the xenomorph. We're saying the xenomorph in the movie doesn't appear to have (and the toy seems to back this up) any biomechanoid aspects to it.

It's just bio, apparently. No weird tubes/wires.

...I wonder if it even has acid for blood in this iteration, or if that comes when the mechanical aspects are introduced.
 
Bobby Roberts said:
We're not confusing the neomorph with the xenomorph. We're saying the xenomorph in the movie doesn't appear to have (and the toy seems to back this up) any biomechanoid aspects to it.

It's just bio, apparently. No weird tubes/wires.

...I wonder if it even has acid for blood in this iteration, or if that comes when the mechanical aspects are introduced.
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The worms/snakes had acid blood, right?
 
Bobby Roberts said:
We're not confusing the neomorph with the xenomorph. We're saying the xenomorph in the movie doesn't appear to have (and the toy seems to back this up) any biomechanoid aspects to it.

It's just bio, apparently. No weird tubes/wires.

...I wonder if it even has acid for blood in this iteration, or if that comes when the mechanical aspects are introduced.
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Supossedly Xenos will become increasingly biomechanical in the sequels until they reach the same look as the one in Alien.

Regarding the blood, even the Hammerpede in Prometheus had acidic blood and that was a worm mutated by the black goo, so I'd say yes.
 
Bobby Roberts said:
We're not confusing the neomorph with the xenomorph. We're saying the xenomorph in the movie doesn't appear to have (and the toy seems to back this up) any biomechanoid aspects to it.

It's just bio, apparently. No weird tubes/wires.

...I wonder if it even has acid for blood in this iteration, or if that comes when the mechanical aspects are introduced.
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The xeno has those back tubes and ribbed tubing on the sides of its head and collarbone, if that counts. :p

3kXMxD1.jpg


Can't find a good shot of a head profile, but HybridNetwork was able to pull a cap from one of the foreign commercials that showed it.
 
Yeah, but those appendages are mostly just smooth and organic looking. No ribbing/synthetic looking aspects.

There's a shot of it in profile deploying the second jaw in one of the foreign trailers upthread and that looks different, too.
 
I like that the design team brought back Giger's original design for the upper part of a human-like skull to be faintly visible under the face part of the xeno's dome.
That has always been really fucking unsettling to me.
 
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