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[jstripes]

It's really ... offputting on how there's so much searching for what her second job is; it is kinda critical to the story as that's the reason she was let go, but to have her life publically dissected is just not cool (it's not so much getting dissected here ... but it is in other places).

That's the other big issue here, one that no one even thinks about.

If the GG witch hunt never happened, but Nintendo somehow found out about her second job anyway, the reasons for her being fired would have been a completely internal issue.

But now, any potential employer is going to google her name, and all of this terrible stuff is going to come up instantly.

Basically, GG didn't just fuck her out of a job at Nintendo. Now she's in a really, really difficult position to even find a new job.

 

[Not]

I just find everything about this story horrible. From Nintendo's ostensibly gender-biased conservatism to someone losing their job as a indirect-to-direct result of Neanderthal-like misogynists continuing to do the same thing they've been doing for millennia, now with the help of the Internet.

I don't give a shit what her other job was. If a woman working at your company gets publicly harassed online the way women in video games do, you don't blame her for drawing "negative attention" to your company. Ever. And you especially don't search out alternative reasons to terminate her employment, as Nintendo may have done here.

This situation is not as nuanced as many men will make it out to be. After all is said and done, this can be summed up as the four hundred billionth fucking case of women getting the short end of the stick, just for being women, this week.

 

[NinjaCoachZ]

That's the other big issue here, one that no one even thinks about.

If the GG witch hunt never happened, but Nintendo somehow found out about her second job anyway, the reasons for her being fired would have been a completely internal issue.

But now, any potential employer is going to google her name, and all of this terrible stuff is going to come up instantly.

Basically, GG didn't just fuck her out of a job at Nintendo. Now she's in a really, really difficult position to even find a new job.

This concerns me too. That's just scary to think about.

 

[blankempathy]

What is up with the posts asking who cares what her second job was as long as it wasn't illegal? Obviously nintendo cares and I'm sure she signed a contract saying she would adhere to their policies. You can argue that nintendo is out of touch but ultimately it's their company and their rules.

 

[mckmas8808]

This is why I really dislike commenting on things of this kind before a whole picture is more or less known. I can definitely see Nintendo's side in this now. Of course, I personally don't think what she's done is a big deal or anything, but corporations are much more stringent.

So what exactly did she do? What exactly is moonlighting?

 

[jmizzal]

A good question is when did she start the 2nd job?

If it was before GG thing then why did she use another name? Did she know Nintendo would not like it, and it was against policy.

If it was after the GG thing, why would she start a job that she needs to hide her name, knowing if it comes out Nintendo would not like it, why put yourself in that position? Your just setting yourself up.

Its like a kid at school, if your being bullied going this route, when you can go another route, why keep going that route. Nintendo is more like the parent not the school, they cant stop the bullying, they can just tell you to avoid it and dont go that route, and if she started something to give GG more ammunition, what did she expect the outcome to be.

Now if she was harassed at work, then this would be 100% on Nintendo.

 

[SneakersSO]

A good question is when did she start the 2nd job?

If it was before GG thing then why did she use another name? Did she know Nintendo would not like it, and it was against policy.

If it was after the GG thing, why would she start a job that she needs to hide her name, knowing if it comes out Nintendo would not like it, why put yourself in that position? Your just setting yourself up.

Its like a kid at school, if your being bullied going this route, when you can go another route, why keep going that route. Nintendo is more like the parent not the school, they cant stop the bullying, they can just tell you to avoid it and dont go that route, and if she started something to give GG more ammunition, what did she expect the outcome to be.

Now if she was harassed at work, then this would be 100% on Nintendo.

Doesn't seem like she was physically harassed at work, at least not to my knowledge. I believe she mentions that she began her 2nd job after she began working at Nintendo.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

I just find everything about this story horrible. From Nintendo's ostensibly gender-biased conservatism to someone losing their job as a indirect-to-direct result of Neanderthal-like misogynists continuing to do the same thing they've been doing for millennia, now with the help of the Internet.

I don't give a shit what her other job was. If a woman working at your company gets publicly harassed online the way women in video games do, you don't blame her for drawing "negative attention" to your company. Ever. And you especially don't search out alternative reasons to terminate her employment, as Nintendo may have done here.

This situation is not as nuanced as many men will make it out to be. After all is said and done, this can be summed up as the four hundred billionth fucking case of women getting the short end of the stick, just for being women, this week.

I get what you're saying, but I'm not really understanding why her being harassed should give her some kind of immunity from (ostensibly) breaking corporate policy. I don't know what the second job was, but I have no reason to believe that it wasn't against Nintendo's policies. It's unlikely that they were just looking for an excuse to fire her. It very much goes against what kind of company I know Nintendo of America to be. They don't take these things lightly.

Sure, Nintendo could have done more to come out on her side publicly when she was being harassed (not sure if they even did anything), but that's a separate conversation from terminating employment based on breaking corporate policies.

 

[hey_monkey]

I am really just fucking over all the slut-shaming that's happened around this, and even angrier that people keep repeating this camgirl shit, or modeling, or porn, whatever they heard, like it's fact (everywhere, on so many platforms). Stop that shit. IT DOES NOT MATTER. I don't care if she was a high end escort fucking Presidents, and I doubt Nintendo would have either if they hadn't gotten a barrage of OMG PEDO CHILD FUCKER MY PEARLS! lies and garbage in a smear campaign.

 

[SneakersSO]

So what exactly did she do? What exactly is moonlighting?

Moonlighting is a term used to describe the act of having a job or doing work that is outside of your normal, professional full-time job. So if you're an office worker but you DJ 2 nights a week at local clubs, you're moonlighting as a DJ.

As far as what exactly she did do, no one really knows, and if they do, it need not be mentioned since it is largely irrelevant in terms of specifics, just relevant in the sense that Nintendo learned what it was and felt that it clashed with their corporate culture, and terminated her employment as a result.

 

[Lime]

Her second job was obviously a seat at the table of the Secret Global Feminist Cabal where she helped coordinate and execute Operation "No More Anime TnA", while reading Das Kapital + Women, Race, & Class, and donating money to Black Lives Matter. No more need for speculation.

I am really just fucking over all the slut-shaming that's happened around this, and even angrier that people keep repeating this camgirl shit, or modeling, or porn, whatever they heard, like it's fact (everywhere, on so many platforms). Stop that shit. IT DOES NOT MATTER. I don't care if she was a high end escort fucking Presidents, and I doubt Nintendo would have either if they hadn't gotten a barrage of OMG PEDO CHILD FUCKER MY PEARLS! lies and garbage in a smear campaign.

Thank you. Enough is enough of this and a line needs to be drawn because the same bullshit supporting the sexist status quo is being reproduced in this thread.

 

[benicillin]

Her second job was obviously a seat at the table of the Secret Global Feminist Cabal where she helped coordinate and execute Operation "No More Anime TnA", while reading Das Kapital and donating money to Black Lives Matter.

This squares with reports I've heard on Twitter that I can't talk about here (unless a mod says it's okay), so I can see why Nintendo issued an order for her execution.

 

[jstripes]

This concerns me too. That's just scary to think about.

Ruining someone's future from behind the comfortable anonymity of an anime avatar. Because of video game titties.

 

[diaspora]

Ruining someone's future from behind the comfortable anonymity of an anime avatar. Because of video game titties.

Twitter: [laughs]

 

[besada]

If it was before GG thing then why did she use another name? Did she know Nintendo would not like it, and it was against policy.

I find this such a weird line of questioning on a forum full of people who aren't using their real names. I've put out two albums, both under different band names, both linked to different email accounts with different names on them. I have an etsy shop under a different name to sell wood carvings. I write under two different names, so far. I have a youtube channel under yet a different name. The people using their legal name as their sole identity on the internet are likely in the minority. Even my mom goes by both her real name some places, and a handle others, and she's 73.

So I don't find it surprising that upon starting a new enterprise, regardless of what it was, she chose another online identity in which to compartmentalize it. It doesn't suggest to me that she was going out of her way to hide something necessarily. A lot of us, particularly creative people, love the fact that the internet allows you to express yourself in a variety of ways, without necessarily attaching them to your real life persona. We get to choose which parts of ourselves we share with online communities this way, rather than have an all or nothing policy regarding our privacy.

 

[SneakersSO]

I am really just fucking over all the slut-shaming that's happened around this, and even angrier that people keep repeating this camgirl shit, or modeling, or porn, whatever they heard, like it's fact (everywhere, on so many platforms). Stop that shit. IT DOES NOT MATTER. I don't care if she was a high end escort fucking Presidents, and I doubt Nintendo would have either if they hadn't gotten a barrage of OMG PEDO CHILD FUCKER MY PEARLS! lies and garbage in a smear campaign.

Umm - look, other people on other platforms are going to discuss this situation however they feel like. We have no control over that.

As far as Nintendo is concerned, they absolutely would care if one of their public facing marketing people were wrapped up in uncouth or illicit activity, and how it reflects back on them. This sort of thing happens to marketing/PR & people who have a reach with their own voice or image that reflects back on their employer. We've seen this most often over the last 9 years or so for a multitude of reasons.

The fact is that Allison has been a target for years. Things escalated over the last 4 months due to the Fire Emblem localization fiasco, however, they've been targeting her & trying to get Nintendo to fire her since she started. It wasn't until this 2nd job, a job that no one was even remotely aware of until both Nintendo and Allison brought the very existence of such to light yesterday, did we learn that this was the reason she had been terminated.

She'd been harassed for months and Nintendo didn't let her go. They didn't fire her over the harassment campaign.

 

[NinjaCoachZ]

I get what you're saying, but I'm not really understanding why her being harassed should give her some kind of immunity from (ostensibly) breaking corporate policy. I don't know what the second job was, but I have no reason to believe that it wasn't against Nintendo's policies. It's unlikely that they were just looking for an excuse to fire her. It very much goes against what kind of company I know Nintendo of America to be. They don't take these things lightly.

Sure, Nintendo could have done more to come out on her side publicly when she was being harassed (not sure if they even did anything), but that's a separate conversation from terminating employment based on breaking corporate policies.

She was being harassed long before the second job thing came to light, and Nintendo didn't do anything about it. That is the crux of the issue.

EDIT: NVM, my mind was somewhat hazy so I took some other stuff out

 

[Boy Wander]

I am really just fucking over all the slut-shaming that's happened around this, and even angrier that people keep repeating this camgirl shit, or modeling, or porn, whatever they heard, like it's fact (everywhere, on so many platforms). Stop that shit. IT DOES NOT MATTER. I don't care if she was a high end escort fucking Presidents, and I doubt Nintendo would have either if they hadn't gotten a barrage of OMG PEDO CHILD FUCKER MY PEARLS! lies and garbage in a smear campaign.

So you're saying that a family oriented company would have no qualms about employing someone engaging in the activities that you describe? Or am I not reading this correctly?

 

[notworksafe]

Great article by Jim.

Not sure what's so great about it. He rages against Nintendo's corporate culture as if it was unique or special. This is the way corporations are. Not just in the games industry, in almost every industry. There are exceptions of course, but the vast majority operate within the same idea.

You can hate it all you want but it is the way it is. Public companies have been this way for a long time and will continue to do so in the future.

 

[EatinOlives]

What is up with the posts asking who cares what her second job was as long as it wasn't illegal? Obviously nintendo cares and I'm sure she signed a contract saying she would adhere to their policies. You can argue that nintendo is out of touch but ultimately it's their company and their rules.

Nintendo does not prohibit all kinds of moonlighting, only when it goes against their policies.

Naturally I would imagine that they believe whatever her moonlighting was did violate their policies, but the problem here is that they didn't seem to know about it until after GG got involved. The purpose of their involvement was to smear her and get her fired, and Nintendo, despite the fact that they did it likely in accordance to their own policies, also validated GG's efforts at the same time.

Now, this wasn't GG's first rodeo at taking potshots at Alison, as they were bitching about the Fates localization even though she had nothing to do with it. While this was happening, Nintendo didn't defend her in any way. She was, as a PR person, the subject of a smear campaign and Nintendo turned the other cheek. They only tuned it when GG's smear campaign brought something up that they were interested in. Obviously that's problematic in many, many ways.

 

[Bumbletron]

I just find everything about this story horrible. From Nintendo's ostensibly gender-biased conservatism to someone losing their job as a indirect-to-direct result of Neanderthal-like misogynists continuing to do the same thing they've been doing for millennia, now with the help of the Internet.

I don't give a shit what her other job was. If a woman working at your company gets publicly harassed online the way women in video games do, you don't blame her for drawing "negative attention" to your company. Ever. And you especially don't search out alternative reasons to terminate her employment, as Nintendo may have done here.

This situation is not as nuanced as many men will make it out to be. After all is said and done, this can be summed up as the four hundred billionth fucking case of women getting the short end of the stick, just for being women, this week.

Listen, I'm a feminist too and hate the harassment bullshit too, but you are accusing Nintendo of a lot of things without hard facts to back them up, which is not unlike those in the thread trying to talk about the photos and thesis being reasons for her being let go. I'm not saying Nintendo might not have done the things you allege them of, just that it is going a lot on speculation. The only guilty party we know of for sure here is GG.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

Is that what they are doing? I hate to question that kind of thing, because I don't have the kind of information necessary. But what proof do we have that they are fostering a soulless corporate culture? I'm on the fence on all of this other than the fact that the harassment was complete bullshit.

Read Jim's article, and check her tweets, the ones about how Nintendo didn't like her being a feminist and all that jazz.

Not sure what's so great about it. He rages against Nintendo's corporate culture as if it was unique or special. This is the way corporations are. Not just in the games industry, in almost every industry. There are exceptions of course, but the vast majority operate within the same idea.

You can hate it all you want but it is the way it is.

Or... You can hate it and write against it because it's a shitty thing and it's good to at least challenge the status quo?

 

[weekev]

Great article by Jim.

This article is fantastic, totally on point and captures all of the issues with this entire shitshow of a situation.

 

[Tigress]

I somewhat agree. When you work for a big company like Nintendo with a big public presence/image, you need to realise that anything you do in real life or say on social media will eventually reflect on your company, and doing or saying things which could generate the wrong Kind of attention or v headlines is not going to do well for you, no matter if the motivation behind the tweets is a good one and something many people will agree with. Nintendo would likely much rather keep out of any such affairs, and I can understand why, no matter what you say, it can be taken and turned into bad media by someone.

When I worked in retail, one of the first things I was told was that when I was wearing the polo shirt, I was a representative of the company and everything I did or said was then viewable as on behalf of said company. I was then warned that if I did something out of hours while still wearing my polo shirt, even if it was far away from work and in my own time, if it could bring the company bad attention, I would lose my job. This could be like fighting, drunken behaviour etc. Not saying tweeting on rape/attracting gg types is anything like a Street brawl, but end of the day, it still draws the wrong kind of attention to your employer. We don't know what Her second job is, and it could go against Nintendo image completely, so end of the day, it could be justified, but we won't know.

Except in this case she wasn't wearing her "polo shirt". She was anonymous at the second job and it took digging by GG to find out it was her. This is more like you disguise yourself and don't wear the uniform and say something and then some one goes and digs up to prove it was you and makes the connection cause it wouldn't have been made if some one didn't actively dig it up and connect the two pieces.

Also, this move makes me respect Nintendo less. Never been a fan of their games but I did like how they treat their employees (or at least how their last CEO, the guy that died last year, did). That respect has lessoned a lot from this. Certainly makes me want to buy their products even less.

And yeah, I know they said they fired her for the second job. No one really thinks they'd outright admit they caved to some campaign, do they? That wouldn't be good for them either (it's pretty much teaching that it works to have outrage to manipulate them in what they do). It's thinly veiled. GG knows it and knows it works (whether Nintendo wants to admit it or not) and if some really thinks that was the main reason she got fired, they're being a little naive.

 

[hey_monkey]

Umm - look, other people on other platforms are going to discuss this situation however they feel like. We have no control over that.

As far as Nintendo is concerned, they absolutely would care if one of their public facing marketing people were wrapped up in uncouth or illicit activity, and how it reflects back on them. This sort of thing happens to marketing/PR & people who have a reach with their own voice or image that reflects back on their employer. We've seen this most often over the last 9 years or so for a multitude of reasons.

The fact is that Allison has been a target for years. Things escalated over the last 4 months due to the Fire Emblem localization fiasco, however, they've been targeting her & trying to get Nintendo to fire her since she started. It wasn't until this 2nd job, a job that no one was even remotely aware of until both Nintendo and Allison brought the very existence of such to light yesterday, did we learn that this was the reason she had been terminated.

She'd been harassed for months and Nintendo didn't let her go. They didn't fire her over the harassment campaign.

Ummmm, look, if you think the increased volume of harassment and the campaign to fire her, along with the roping in of Jamie Walton didn't play a part, then I rhunk you are being terribly naive. This is stuff just in the last few weeks. Not just the long term harassment. Not just her being moved around for being vocal. Recent events. Slander and lies. A calculated campaign that could not be ignored.

 

[teeejay]

Haven't read through all the replies but I'm just curious - if a tweet gets deleted do you guys not discuss it? I've seen screen-caps of some of her tweets and what initially sparked the GG campaign from 4chan, I just haven't seen anyone mention them in this thread.

 

[Not]

I get what you're saying, but I'm not really understanding why her being harassed should give her some kind of immunity from (ostensibly) breaking corporate policy. I don't know what the second job was, but I have no reason to believe that it wasn't against Nintendo's policies. It's unlikely that they were just looking for an excuse to fire her. It very much goes against what kind of company I know Nintendo of America to be. They don't take these things lightly.

Sure, Nintendo could have done more to come out on her side publicly when she was being harassed (not sure if they even did anything), but that's a separate conversation from terminating employment based on breaking corporate policies.

Why? I understand that "bad PR" is viewed as harmful to those in pursuit of the soulless dollar, but how come maintaining a controversy-free business is more important than supporting a female employee who is obviously under attack by the kind of people who you shouldn't want to give a win to in any form?

I guess if you want to get into that argument, the main point would come down to whether you think maintaining a puritanically-leaning "clean" face of a company is more important than protecting employees who need it and shoving that protection in the face of entitled, narcissistic assholes.

That's why it doesn't matter what the 2nd job was. If it was illegal or disturbing, we'd probably know about it. I'd rather give an observably victimized person the benefit of the doubt rather than go through an exhaustive laundry list trying to prove the accusers innocent until proven guilty. At the VERY LEAST, Nintendo should have had ongoing discussions with her about options, discretely giving her choices that favored her future career prospects in order to avoid projecting even the appearance of indirect support for GG, instead of just dropping her at the height of the altercation with a wishywashy "not connected" statement.

 

[MUnited83]

Sure we can. We can discuss how wrong Nintendo was for not standing up for their employee while she was being harassed for months, for example.


Or, that second job is just as innocuous but they used it as an excuse to fire her to rid themselves of the "problem". Which is just as likely, considering their silence during the harassment campaign.

Also LOL @ "sex pics". Dat pearl-clutching

Don't you know? Photo of a naked back = sex pic!

 

[Ferr986]

Things I "learned" today

1) you can't hate shitty company practices because well, that's what they all do.

2) A family oriented company that suposedly should have problems with some thesis shouldn't have any problem with their female employee being harrased by a mysognistic movement. That's certainly very family oriented.

 

[notworksafe]

Or... You can hate it and write against it because it's a shitty thing and it's good to at least challenge the status quo?

It just reads to me like someone out of touch with reality.

 

[diaspora]

Why? I understand that "bad PR" is viewed as harmful to those in pursuit of the soulless dollar, but how come maintaining a controversy-free business is more important than supporting a female employee who is obviously under attack by the kind of people who you shouldn't want to give a win to in any form?

I guess if you want to get into that argument, the main point would come down to whether you think maintaining a puritanically-leaning "clean" face of a company is more important than protecting employees who need it and shoving that protection in the face of entitled, narcissistic assholes.

That's why it doesn't matter what the 2nd job was. If it was illegal or disturbing, we'd probably know about it. I'd rather give an observably victimized person the benefit of the doubt rather than go through an exhaustive laundry list trying to prove the accusers innocent until proven guilty. At the VERY LEAST, Nintendo should have had ongoing discussions with her about options, giving her choices that favored her future career prospects to avoid projecting even the appearance of indirect support for GG, instead of just dropping her at the height of the altercation with a wishywashy "not connected" statement.

Do we know this didn't happen, out are we just assuming?

 

[Lime]

So you're saying that a family oriented company would have no qualms about employing someone engaging in the activities that you describe? Or am I not reading this correctly?

Again, you're running into the same trouble of making the conversation about Rapp, and whether or not she deserved to be fired (borderline victim blaming), when the actual conversation is Nintendo choosing to remain silent in the face of online harassment of their employee, then silence and reposition her, and then a subsequent dismissal of her.

 

[SneakersSO]

Nintendo does not prohibit all kinds of moonlighting, only when it goes against their policies.

Naturally I would imagine that they believe whatever her moonlighting was did violate their policies, but the problem here is that they didn't seem to know about it until after GG got involved. The purpose of their involvement was to smear her and get her fired, and Nintendo, despite the fact that they did it likely in accordance to their own policies, also validated GG's efforts at the same time.

Now, this wasn't GG's first rodeo at taking potshots at Alison, as they were bitching about the Fates localization even though she had nothing to do with it. While this was happening, Nintendo didn't defend her in any way. She was, as a PR person, the subject of a smear campaign and Nintendo turned the other cheek. They only tuned it when GG's smear campaign brought something up that they were interested in. Obviously that's problematic in many, many ways.

Here's the thing - a smear campaign is ongoing between a singular person & a group of people. What exactly is the individual's employer supposed to do about quelling the harassment campaign? They're not the primary platform holder for where the majority of these attacks were taking place (Twitter).

Nintendo is responsible for providing a safe, harassment-free work environment to all of its employees, but that doesn't extend to the individual's social media accounts. Nintendo also has a responsibility to hear information on the activities of their representatives & employees when its presented to them, regardless of the source. Failing to do so can become a problem in the workplace, not to mention the legal liability it could become.

Yes, its fucking TERRIBLE that whatever it was came out through the efforts of a hate movement. But that doesn't mean it must be ignored.

 

[joedick]

I sent an email to Nintendo today, it was short and to the point. Basically, that I've been a life-long fan and am disappointed with how the situation was handled. I closed my email by saying "Please spare me the canned PR response, I'm not looking for an answer, I just need to express my sincere disappointment." And of course, they emailed me the canned PR response. Thanks for reading my email :/

This thread is a bit frustrating in that a lot of us want to discuss the larger issue of how Nintendo handled the situation, not the fact that she was fired (which may have been justified). But it's hard to argue that is what we should be talking about when the thread is titled 'Alison Rapp fired...'. I might message the mods later to see if we can start a second thread where we can discuss how Nintendo should've handled things.

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Not sure what's so great about it. He rages against Nintendo's corporate culture as if it was unique or special. This is the way corporations are. Not just in the games industry, in almost every industry. There are exceptions of course, but the vast majority operate within the same idea.

You can hate it all you want but it is the way it is. Public companies have been this way for a long time and will continue to do so in the future.

So maybe if that's what it is, then people should rage against it in the hopes of trying to change it so that they won't continue to do so in the future.

 

[Sianos]

Haven't read through all the replies but I'm just curious - if a tweet gets deleted do you guys not discuss it? I've seen screen-caps of some of her tweets and what initially sparked the GG campaign from 4chan, I just haven't seen anyone mention them in this thread.

Well, if you haven't seen them mentioned yet in this thread, perhaps you could post them?

I'm especially curious about what sparked Gamergate to entirely reverse their stance on ethics and video games and turn against the animu pantsu they until now so fervently embraced and to harass a women for agreeing with their stated goals and writing a college thesis is support of their claimed ideals.

 

[Cyrano]

Not sure what's so great about it. He rages against Nintendo's corporate culture as if it was unique or special. This is the way corporations are. Not just in the games industry, in almost every industry. There are exceptions of course, but the vast majority operate within the same idea.

You can hate it all you want but it is the way it is. Public companies have been this way for a long time and will continue to do so in the future.

You don't change things by putting your head down and accepting awful attitudes and behavior. You speak out against them, you confer with other people, you work to make the change you want to see. Defeatist attitudes will just continue to widen the gulf.

 

[diaspora]

Again, you're running into the same trouble of making the conversation about Rapp, and whether or not she deserved to be fired (borderline victim blaming), when the actual conversation is Nintendo choosing to remain silent in the face of online harassment of their employee and then a subsequent dismissal of her.

That's honestly not really the main issue; it's how Twitter welcomes misogynists and racists to use their platform as a means of discrimination and harassment.

 

[notworksafe]

So maybe if that's what it is, then people should rage against it in the hopes of trying to change it so that they won't continue to do so in the future.

"They" meaning nearly every corporation and public company in the world? Also the mindset behind the American public not being a fan of sex positive attitudes from kid focused companies? Good luck I guess.

 

[NinjaCoachZ]

That's honestly not really the main issue; it's how Twitter welcomes misogynists and racists to use their platform as a means of discrimination and harassment.

Why not both? Both are problems worth discussing. There's more meaningful discussion that can be had there than with the "i dunno, maybe Alison DESERVED to be fired and subject to all this harassment" type stuff which was making the thread nasty a few pages ago (not referring to you ofc)

Things I "learned" today

1) you can't hate shitty company practices because well, that's what they all do.

2) A family oriented company that suposedly should have problems with some thesis shouldn't have any problem with their female employee being harrased by a mysognistic movement. That's certainly very family oriented.

Amen.

 

[RMI]

Great article by Jim.

great article.

Jim pretty much nails it right here:

Ironically, the reason people like Rapp and Pranger have been fired is tied closely into the very thing localization-haters are angry with Nintendo over. It’s all part of this sanitized, inoffensive, zealously constructed appearance Nintendo wants to give off.

The very attitude that sees Xenoblade Chronicles X remove a boob slider is the same attitude that got Rapp fired. Those celebrating her firing should be seeing this as a continuation of the thing they hate, not the end of it.

The more you dig into this mess the more you realize that GGers are a human centipede eating their own tail.

 

[jstripes]

I sent an email to Nintendo today, it was short and to the point. Basically, that I've been a life-long fan and am disappointed with how the situation was handled. I closed my email by saying "Please spare me the canned PR response, I'm not looking for an answer, I just need to express my sincere disappointment." And of course, they emailed me the canned PR response. Thanks for reading my email :/

This thread is a bit frustrating in that a lot of us want to discuss the larger issue of how Nintendo handled the situation, not the fact that she was fired (which may have been justified). But it's hard to argue that is what we should be talking about when the thread is titled 'Alison Rapp fired...'. I might message the mods later to see if we can start a second thread where we can discuss how Nintendo should've handled things.

Nintendo was in a really difficult place.

Anyone who's been following GG for long enough knows that if Nintendo had openly supported her against the harassment GG would have gleefully detonated the "pedophile supporter" weapon of mass destruction on them next. It's their favourite weapon.

The trickiest thing about dealing with GG is that no matter what you do, they "win". (Unless you can distract them for long enough that they forget about you.)

 

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I am relatively surprised that she lasted as long as she did. She was posting about divisive social issues despite being instructed not to, soliciting gifts, and tweeting NSFW pictures of herself. It seems Nintendo was at the very least tolerant of all that stuff, when I'd expect such a conservative company to completely flip out.

So why did they drop the hammer now? The "second job" bit strikes me as a facade or false pretense, or maybe it's just the straw that broke the camel's back.

 

[kiryogi]

You don't change things by putting your head down and accepting awful attitudes and behavior. You speak out against them, you confer with other people, you work to make the change you want to see. Defeatist attitudes will just continue to widen the gulf.

So hows Republican obstructionism going? Yes, this is a horrific issue, but most of the solutions on display so far have been really been made without a reasonable thought. Everyone's simply calling for Nintendo's head like a angry mob kind of like the right wing themselves with Obama. There's no good solution here with the current status quo as some have stated. TBH, some of the supportive mentalities I see in here are bordering on Tea party extremists with their ideals.

 

[blankempathy]

You don't change things by putting your head down and accepting awful attitudes and behavior. You speak out against them, you confer with other people, you work to make the change you want to see. Defeatist attitudes will just continue to widen the gulf.

The reality is people don't want to lose their jobs because they need their income. Speaking out against someone who you rely on to pay your rent isn't that appealing to most people. If you really want to change a company then get into a position where you can actually do so which typically means taking your lumps and keeping your head down when at the bottom of the food chain. There's a reason why so many rich celebrities etc can say whatever the hell they want.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

Don't you know? Photo of a naked back = sex pic!

Concern trolling at its finest, heh.

 

[domlolz]

That's honestly not really the main issue; it's how Twitter welcomes misogynists and racists to use their platform as a means of discrimination and harassment.

lol twitter doesn't 'welcome misogynists and racists to use their platform as a means of discrimination and harassment'

thats a really stupid statement

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

"They" meaning nearly every corporation and public company in the world? Also the mindset behind the American public not being a fan of sex positive attitudes from kid focused companies? Good luck I guess.

Yes, that "they".

 

[weekev]

"They" meaning nearly every corporation and public company in the world? Also the mindset behind the American public not being a fan of sex positive attitudes from kid focused companies? Good luck I guess.

No-one in the institutions do they teach you how to start a revolution, but you gotta start somewhere. Accepting the status quo when the status quo is a blow after blow of no no no is a stupid thing to do.

So...anyone got any idea how we start a revolution rather than just talking about it?

 

[TheWorst]

It just reads to me like someone out of touch with reality.

If we're fed up with "reality" and things can change for the better, why should we not express our frustrations? If you want to accept a shitty situation, that's on you, but it's ridiculous to judge people who don't.