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[Keri]

From what I understand, Heard is alleging he's abusive after drinking or using drugs. So it's possible these problems are more recent and didn't affect his past relationships. With Paradis, especially, he had two children, so there would have been a reason for him to more consciously abstain from both of the above. Whereas, with Heard, he was suddenly with a younger person and child free (a good deal of the time), so possibly more likely to indulge.

Obviously, we don't know what really happened yet, but having the support of two of his exes, doesn't clear him.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

it's a pretty good standard to hold your opinion to.. believing in evidence and facts.

Then it wouldn't apply to all the people calling her and other victims liars when they have no evidence of it, even though they're the ones to first say "innocent until proven guilty" every time.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

it's a pretty good standard to hold your opinion to.. believing in evidence and facts.

I mean, if you assume Depp is innocent, that immediately implies you believe that Heard is a liar.

 

[s_mirage]

This one in particular

LoL.

 

[EdwardTeach]

Judging by the massive slide in his appearance, you might presume that his drinking is much more problematic than when he a was with paradis.

 

[Joni]

EDIT; if the 14yrs were wonderful, why did they separate?

Because in Year 15 he wanted to sleep with Amber Heard.

 

[Sorcerer]

I think Depp will descend into old Marlon Brando type of craziness.

 

[mario_O]

Everyone has to start somewhere, no one just comes out being a wife beater and so just because these situations weren't present with someone else doesn't mean they aren't happening with another. I feel that "normaly" is the operative word in your sentence. There's nothing to suggest that this falls into a normal situation.

Everyone has to start somewhere? yeah, sure, with 50 years he suddenly has become a violent person, because fuck logic. No, violent people are violent their whole life.

EDIT; if the 14yrs were wonderful, why did they separate?

Wow, seriously? you have to a be troll or somethin'. Everyone that gets a divorce is for violence? that's the only reason you can think of?

 

[MANGOD]

EDIT; if the 14yrs were wonderful, why did they separate?

Eh maybe because someone called Amber Heard turned up on the scene. DUUUUUUH

 

[Dreams-Visions]

This one in particular

Wtf? That's Johnny Depp?

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Everyone has to start somewhere? yeah, sure, with 50 years he suddenly has become a violent person, because fuck logic. No, violent people are violent their whole life.

Buddy, what are you basing this on?

 

[KissVibes]

Wtf? That's Johnny Depp?

The new Alice film got him really fucked up.

 

[MANGOD]

Wtf? That's Johnny Depp?

I seriously hope that is a joke post ffs

 

[mario_O]

To be fair, even if those 14 years were wonderful, substance dependency can change a person. Even before this kerfuffle, some of Depp's public appearances over the last few years have been concerning. Besides, his first wife defending him as well carries little weight when she's talking about a man from 30 years ago. People can change, and not always for the better.

Nah, not really. Violent people will become even more violent with alcohol, but if your not a violent person alcohol will just make you weak or paranoid or depressed. But not all alcoholics are violent, that's just dumb.

 

[Strangelove77]

Wtf? That's Johnny Depp?

Feel old now?

 

[mario_O]

Buddy, what are you basing this on?

Life?

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Life?

I was hoping you had something concrete to back up your confident assertions that abusers are abusive their entire life.

 

[Keri]

Nah, not really. Violent people will become even more violent with alcohol, but if your not a violent person alcohol will just make you weak or paranoid or depressed. But not all alcoholics are violent, that's just dumb.

Everyone responds to substances differently. It's totally possible for otherwise aggressive people to become quieter and more relaxed, when on certain substances and otherwise relaxed people to become violent. It's going to depend on the person and the substance. There's no hard and fast rule.

 

[Gintamen]

Violent people will become even more violent with alcohol, but if your not a violent person alcohol will just make you weak or paranoid or depressed.

Yeah sure. No non-violent person has ever become violent while drinking, never.

 

[thecouncil]

Has there ever been a actor who's recovered from a domestic violence incident?

Bill Murray?

 

[EdibleExplosives]

Nah, not really. Violent people will become even more violent with alcohol, but if your not a violent person alcohol will just make you weak or paranoid or depressed. But not all alcoholics are violent, that's just dumb.

This is incredibly ignorant.

 

[mario_O]

I was hoping you had something concrete to back up your confident assertions that abusers are abusive their entire life.

I've watched some documentaries about domestic violence (that's all I have) It's a very hot topic here in Spain, and, well, what they say is that abusers use violence in all their relations starting from the very first one; some psycologist suggest that they can never cure themselves completely, that they need group treatment all their life, at least most of them. It would be really strange that someone who hasn't hurt a woman in his entire life would start at 50. And no, I don't think alcohol can make a non-violent person violent.

 

[mario_O]

This is incredibly ignorant.

It's also incredible ignorant to suggest that alcohol will make everybody violent. Simplistic.

 

[Volimar]

And no, I don't think alcohol can make a non-violent person violent.

You're wrong. A lot of people experience personality changes when they drink or use drugs, including the capacity for violence.

It's also incredible ignorant to suggest that alcohol will make everybody violent. Simplistic.

Of course it doesn't make everyone more violent. But for some people it does have that effect.

 

[Zakalwe]

Plenty of people have been charged with violence and we read comments like "I would never have thought he/she were capable of that, in my experience they've always been kind and calm.", or similar.

Not denouncing it, character statements like this can hold a lot of weight, but they're not absolute. Just because someone doesn't have a history of violence doesn't make them incapable.

Improbable is not impossible.

 

[mario_O]

You're wrong. A lot of people experience personality changes when they drink or use drugs, including the capacity for violence.

And a lot of alcoholics are not violent. It's more complicated that that.

 

[Zakalwe]

And a lot of alcoholics are not violent. It's more complicated that that.

You're wrong. A lot of people experience personality changes when they drink or use drugs, including the capacity for violence.

You're both saying the same thing.

Take a breath.

 

[Volimar]

And a lot of alcoholics are not violent. It's more complicated that that.

No shit. Why do you keep saying this? You work for Anheuser Busch or are you just being contrarian for its own sake?

You're both saying the same thing.

Take a breath.

Yeah but he's saying it like it refutes what others are saying when it doesn't. You can't go from "I don't think alcohol makes non violent people violent", and then say "a lot of alcoholics are not violent" and expect that to back up your claim. Of course a lot of them aren't violent, but for some it can affect them that way. If we're discussing that in the case of Depp it might have affected him in that way, then it's completely meaningless to say "well most alcoholics aren't like this", as if you're defending alcoholics. The scope of all alcoholics isn't what anyone is discussing. People are wondering if alcoholism may have contributed to his alleged violent actions in the way that some (not all) alcoholics are affected.

 

[Rabbi_Vole]

Didn't Alec Baldwin and Dave Letterman have an issue with domestic violence?

 

[Jeffolation]

I think Depp will descend into old Marlon Brando type of craziness.

Another troubled film adaptation of The Island of Dr. Moreau confirmed?

 

[Volimar]

Another troubled film adaptation of The Island of Dr. Moreau confirmed?

To be fair...Depp as Moreau would be pretty epic.

 

[mario_O]

No shit. Why do you keep saying this? You work for Anheuser Busch or are you just being contrarian for its own sake?



Yeah but he's saying it like it refutes what others are saying when it doesn't. You can't go from "I don't think alcohol makes non violent people violent", and then say "a lot of alcoholics are not violent" and expect that to back up your claim. Of course a lot of them aren't violent, but for some it can affect them that way. If we're discussing that in the case of Depp it might have affected him in that way, then it's completely meaningless to say "well most alcoholics aren't like this", as if you're defending alcoholics. The scope of all alcoholics isn't what anyone is discussing. People are wondering if alcoholism may have contributed to his alleged violent actions in the way that some (not all) alcoholics are affected.

Depp's been a heavy drinker, drug abuser, all his life. On and off.

 

[Zakalwe]

Depp's been a heavy drinker, drug abuser, all his life. On and off.

Sure, but perhaps a certain personality type brings out a more aggressive nature in him and he may have either been lucky enough to avoid them or consciously done so, but become complacent with age.

Or perhaps he's taking medication for depression that's affecting him.

Or perhaps he's fallen further than he ever has before into a depression and it's sparked something.

None of this is absolute evidence.

As you say, it's much more complex.

 

[Keri]

Depp's been a heavy drinker, drug abuser, all his life. On and off.

But he had two children with Paradis and probably travelled often for work, which may have meant he went on his worst binges away from home. It's not a stretch to imagine she wouldn't have seen him at his worst, even if he had substance abuse problems during their relationship. I wouldn't be surprised if starting a relationship with a much younger woman, made him feel the need to "keep up" or "stay young" by amping up his use. But, obviously, this is all speculation and it doesn't mean he's guilty. It just doesn't mean he's innocent, either.

 

[akira28]

Wtf? That's Johnny Depp?

Its Nicolas Cage.


I can see him throwing his phone at her while drunk and emotional. The hair grabbing and the domination type stuff doesn't come from out of nowhere though, that's a habitual manhandler at work there. If he's that good at hiding secrets I think he needs to be outed. If Amber is just pumping things up because he went over the line (as some are suggesting), well then that also needs to be outed. If she has proof I guess at this point she kind of has a responsibility to put the video out there, to prosecutors I mean.

 

[OpinionatedCyborg]

Wtf? That's Johnny Depp?

nah mate that's russell brand

 

[Volimar]

I wonder what these exes would say if she releases the alleged video of abuse.

 

[FartOfWar]

I was hoping you had something concrete to back up your confident assertions that abusers are abusive their entire life.

Googld serial battering. One quarter of women beaters do so across relationships.

 

[azyless]

Googld serial battering. One quarter of women beaters do so across relationships.

So... 75% don't ?

 

[EdibleExplosives]

It's also incredible ignorant to suggest that alcohol will make everybody violent. Simplistic.

Who said that?

 

[KingJ2002]

damn shame... but with good lawyers they can iron out the financials and walk away.

...

cases like this show me how pointless traditional marriages can be...especially for the high-profile celebrity. They might as well treat relationships similar to a business arrangement and just jump into a contractual agreement that has certain clauses and end dates.

She dealt with a lot... i get that... but that "through thick and thin part" people must put on their beats headphones and tune it out.

 

[ClosingADoor]

damn shame... but with good lawyers they can iron out the financials and walk away.

...

cases like this show me how pointless traditional marriages can be...especially for the high-profile celebrity. They might as well treat relationships similar to a business arrangement and just jump into a contractual agreement that has certain clauses and end dates.

She dealt with a lot... i get that... but that "through thick and thin part" people must put on their beats headphones and tune it out.

Through thick and thing doesn't mean "through abuse and violence".

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

Everyone has to start somewhere, no one just comes out being a wife beater and so just because these situations weren't present with someone else doesn't mean they aren't happening with another. I feel that "normaly" is the operative word in your sentence. There's nothing to suggest that this falls into a normal situation.

EDIT; if the 14yrs were wonderful, why did they separate?

So people only divorce because domestic violence?

 

[Ozzy Onya A2Z]

damn shame... but with good lawyers they can iron out the financials and walk away.

...

cases like this show me how pointless traditional marriages can be...especially for the high-profile celebrity. They might as well treat relationships similar to a business arrangement and just jump into a contractual agreement that has certain clauses and end dates.

She dealt with a lot... i get that... but that "through thick and thin part" people must put on their beats headphones and tune it out.

It's called a prenuptial, that's the word you're looking for.

 

[Allonym]

So people only divorce because domestic violence?

That wasn't my implication, I was just asking why'd they separate if the 14ys they were together were so great. I understand that there are a number of reasons why it may have happened but I never once said that it was domestic violence... Posters here just took that as what I meant and ran with it. Also I was not saying that Johnny Depp is a domestic abuser, only that just because he hasn't had a history of violence doesn't mean he hasn't/isn't been abusing his current partner and there's nothing inherently wrong with that statement.

I'm choosing to acknowledge that the possibility can exist and for someone to be violent, they don't necessarily have to have a known past of being so. I have a friend who had no history of violence and was largely passive when it came to confrontations but he'd actually put his hands on his girlfriend behind closed doors and he had no history or known history of being abusive to past girlfriends. I know this is anecdotal but to me it seems more sensible to never underestimate what a person may be capable of rather than say "nope, this person has never exhibited violent tendencies so they definitely couldn't have done this". That's a biased viewpoint and you're not really scrutinizing both sides to find the actual truth. You guys can call me a troll or whatever but that's better than believing this man could never harm this woman regardless of the circumstances that we aren't privy to.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

Andy Richter with interesting information regarding these situations:

https://twitter.com/andyrichter/status/736630192328822784

Man, hollywood sure is something. I know Richters not pointing fingers at anyone, but not only is it obvious who he's talking about, but Hollywood sure is something, if this tweet has any truth to it.

 

[Aarglefarg]

damn shame... but with good lawyers they can iron out the financials and walk away.

...

cases like this show me how pointless traditional marriages can be...especially for the high-profile celebrity. They might as well treat relationships similar to a business arrangement and just jump into a contractual agreement that has certain clauses and end dates.

She dealt with a lot... i get that... but that "through thick and thin part" people must put on their beats headphones and tune it out.

Have you thought it through and actually want people who are being abused to just 'tune it out' and put up with it for life? Or are you just writing words?

 

[AmaterasuOni]

And then there's a twist. Depp's friend accuses Amber of blackmailing. And like Depp's mother and sister, he also says that Amber is a horrible person.

http://www.thewrap.com/johnny-depp-...by-amber-heard-heres-how-i-know-guest-column/

There's a pattern growing here. Not taking sides yet, but this is why we don't lynch people when we don't know anything about the case.

 

[darkinstinct]

And then there's a twist. Depp's friend accuses Amber of blackmailing. And like Depp's mother and sister, he also says that Amber is a horrible person.

http://www.thewrap.com/johnny-depp-...by-amber-heard-heres-how-i-know-guest-column/

There's a pattern growing here. Not taking sides yet, but this is why we don't lynch people after we don't know anything about the case.

The only pattern I see is that people that have an interest in Depp's fortune paint Amber in a bad light. Even if she is a horrible person doesn't mean she deserves to be beaten. Unless what these people are actually wanting to say is that she hit herself. Which makes them just as horrible because if you accuse someone do it outright. And not this Depp is a nice guy, Amber is not BS.

 

[Trident]

And then there's a twist. Depp's friend accuses Amber of blackmailing. And like Depp's mother and sister, he also says that Amber is a horrible person.

http://www.thewrap.com/johnny-depp-...by-amber-heard-heres-how-i-know-guest-column/

There's a pattern growing here. Not taking sides yet, but this is why we don't lynch people after we don't know anything about the case.

Jesus, this situation is a vortex of awful. I hope we get a clear answer one way or another.