I don't know the effect on current games of rtx being enabled is quite subtle, outside reflections it doesn't seem to do much, and might not be that much better than voxel based global illumination, when dealing with nonreflective surfaces, which only requires a few TFs.
Of course I'm not sure... nVidia has no 7nm product to rely on
Of course I'm not sure... nVidia has no 7nm product to rely on
But the die size being 100% bigger is exactly the difference between the process nodes... if nVidia can archive that in the die shrink is another story.
AMD for example left a lot of unused space on Vega 7nm that made the transition not that good in die space save.
In that point RDNA is a way better design:
Navi 10 diagram:
Navi 10's chip:
Come on, you can't be claiming both things at a time, either AMD is behind (and then, yeah, magic) pr it is on par (and then, sure, no magic)
That wouldn't be confusing enough, since they still want to sell older stuff and nobody complained the last time they've muddied the water, they might keep the old naming.
That was estimated to be at around 22% of the die.
If they'd strip off RT cores and actually go "cut it down", yeah, it would be a bit smaller. My face would look the same as now, maybe several month older.
These cards aren't really all that expensive, according to Nvidia standards.
What's the point of releasing ANY card WITH ray tracing? No one can argue that the visual improvement is worth the performance cost. The 2080Ti, a $1200 graphics card, can run Quake II, a game that is over 20 years old, at only ~90fps on a 1080p resolution... And you want ray tracing on slower cards...?
I did the two part bet, birthbysleep only bet on Navi Big
How niche is it really going to be with the next console generation supporting it?
AMD is trying to stay relevant but always behind Nvidia.
Extremely niche until it happens. Even when it does come, not every game will use it.
Is that like Spider-Man? It is extremely niche until it sells 10 million at launch?
Wasn't aware spiderman was ever niche?
That is the joke... it was niche for a lot of gamers because it is exclusive to Sony.
lol
$450 for good 1440p performance is expensive?....Yet the Nvidia equivalent with less performance is more expensive......Raytracing is a non feature atm......No one is buying these cards for raytracing, to play what? Battlefield at low rez and squashed framerates, Quake II at 540p 25 fps? Is that why AMD is behind Nvidia?
…...Lmao...… In any case, AMD has momentum now and Navi will do very well in this market......They targeted the right set of cards for the first line NAVI products....
I agree with a lot of what you say here and would like to add the AMD tech where they do tone mapping on the graphics card for hdr gaming which reduces input lag. That being said I think you are downplaying ray tracing. It's going to be a staple of next gen cards and it's a good idea to at least have your graphics card on par bare minimum with console tech. I don;t like upgrading my graphics card yearly and I would feel very tempted to upgrade in less tan a year when navi with ray tracing comes out.$450 for good 1440p performance is expensive?....Yet the Nvidia equivalent with less performance is more expensive......Raytracing is a non feature atm......No one is buying these cards for raytracing, to play what? Battlefield at low rez and squashed framerates, Quake II at 540p 25 fps? Is that why AMD is behind Nvidia?
So you see, these folk have no problem paying sky high for Nvidia and it's mediocrity, trumpeting raytracing like it's revolutionary, when all they have is hybrid raytracing for four games in one graphic feature, not even the real thing, minus a Quake demo......And yet, no one is tanking their rez+perf in Battlefield, in Tombraider or Metro for raytracing, when the visual differences are not even arresting to any degree....
$450 is too much money to spend on AMD for more perf, but $500/600 is A-OK to spend on Nvidia for less perf.....Better keep that logic at the door....The other thing that's a bit disingenuous is how no one speaks of AMD features and how revolutionary they are...Radeon Chill, ID buffer, HBCC etc.....and now Fidelity FX, Image Sharpening Filter and Anti-Lag, on average more ram over the competition...…..As you said, the only place you can get Variable rate refresh over HDMI, which is common knowledge, but nobody speaks of these strengths of AMD over Nvidia as a positive, when they do, like you, they say, "only reason I'm buying AMD is because of this or that", if not I'd buy Nvidia.......Yet, they can never praise AMD for doing things or offering features NVDON'T, instead they want all these AMD features that NV does not have at $5, whilst NVIDIA can charge $1200.00....to play a quake demo at 1080p 60fps, because that's what we've been waiting for and that's what justifies RTX...
It's just like Radeon 7, At $699, you can get the best productivity card for youtubers, amateurs and even entry level PRO's without breaking the bank, it's a great gaming 4k card and of course it has tremendous bandwidth and 16GB of HBM for futureproofing, (which is expensive as all hell)….Yet NV charges $700-800 for an RTX 2080 with half the vram/bandwidth (cheaper vram too) which plays quake at what? Where nobody enables RTX to play battlefield online or SP at lower frames and rez.......Yet every NV fan is justifying these prices.....Yet it's AMD that must be every NVIDIA FAN's charity sponsor....I think it's about high time AMD gives the proverbial finger to said persons...…No NV fan is saying to NV, hey RTX support is a mess, these cards are too expensive for just Pascal performance with less ram at a 40% markup...…Everyone wants 2080ti performance for the price of a GTX 1060 from AMD, but they will never ask this of NV....Yet they will blast AMD for offering better perf in many GPU classes, there's always something innit...…
Yet, I know that such internet talk is just NV fans huffing and puffing, they all have 2080ti's you see and AMD just can't put a card better than that, so why should they upgrade....
What's the point of selling cheap cards when your overpriced cards gonna sell anyways
At this point, ray tracing for consoles to me sounds like when Microsoft was talking about the power of the cloud for effects when they were gonna launch the Xbox One. A gimmick.
I don't like the major increase in mid range card prices, but that is just the new normal it appears.
Sounds uncannily similar to people talking about VR... But they are just fanboys talking out their asses, right?
Yes, but let's think of it...…..These Navi cards even without RT hardware will not be as crippled as Pascal is using RT...…...NV is dirty, I have no doubt they gimp performance on Pascal through the algorithms they use, only to sell Turing and it's expensive "You need Turing hardware for Raytracing"......
$450 for good 1440p performance is expensive?....Yet the Nvidia equivalent with less performance is more expensive......Raytracing is a non feature atm......No one is buying these cards for raytracing, to play what? Battlefield at low rez and squashed framerates, Quake II at 540p 25 fps? Is that why AMD is behind Nvidia?
So you see, these folk have no problem paying sky high for Nvidia and it's mediocrity, trumpeting raytracing like it's revolutionary, when all they have is hybrid raytracing for four games in one graphic feature, not even the real thing, minus a Quake demo......And yet, no one is tanking their rez+perf in Battlefield, in Tombraider or Metro for raytracing, when the visual differences are not even arresting to any degree....
$450 is too much money to spend on AMD for more perf, but $500/600 is A-OK to spend on Nvidia for less perf.....Better keep that logic at the door....The other thing that's a bit disingenuous is how no one speaks of AMD features and how revolutionary they are...CD Projekt Red , ID buffer, HBCC etc.....and now Fidelity FX, Image Sharpening Filter and Anti-Lag, on average more ram over the competition...…..As you said, the only place you can get Variable rate refresh over HDMI, which is common knowledge, but nobody speaks of these strengths of AMD over Nvidia as a positive, when they do, like you, they say, "only reason I'm buying AMD is because of this or that", if not I'd buy Nvidia.......Yet, they can never praise AMD for doing things or offering features NVDON'T, instead they want all these AMD features that NV does not have at $5, whilst NVIDIA can charge $1200.00....to play a quake demo at 1080p 60fps, because that's what we've been waiting for and that's what justifies RTX...
It's just like Radeon 7, At $699, you can get the best productivity card for youtubers, amateurs and even entry level PRO's without breaking the bank, it's a great gaming 4k card and of course it has tremendous bandwidth and 16GB of HBM for futureproofing, (which is expensive as all hell)….Yet NV charges $700-800 for an RTX 2080 with half the vram/bandwidth (cheaper vram too) which plays quake at what? Where nobody enables RTX to play battlefield online or SP at lower frames and rez.......Yet every NV fan is justifying these prices.....Yet it's AMD that must be every NVIDIA FAN's charity sponsor....I think it's about high time AMD gives the proverbial finger to said persons...…No NV fan is saying to NV, hey RTX support is a mess, these cards are too expensive for just Pascal performance with less ram at a 40% markup...…Everyone wants 2080ti performance for the price of a GTX 1060 from AMD, but they will never ask this of NV....Yet they will blast AMD for offering better perf in many GPU classes, there's always something innit...…
Yet, I know that such internet talk is just NV fans huffing and puffing, they all have 2080ti's you see and AMD just can't put a card better than that, so why should they upgrade....
Look at all those fanboys.
If they only knew the truth. They would all be buying AMD. Those idiots that bought nvidia and have a good time playing games without any issue's. What a morons.
Hell even devs won't give a dam about AMD anymore look at how many people got there cards not worth your time. AMD is no longer a thing on PC segment other then to press prices on nvidia hardware. Sadly even nvidia isn't given a shit anymore that's how much they are not a thing anymore.