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Everything is down. I doubt Nigel and/or Simon will make significant changes, but it would be nice if they did. It's funny that viewership is way down but voting is way up. Those little girls must be working their phones feverishly to get the votes in.
 

Tunic

Member
Everything is down. I doubt Nigel and/or Simon will make significant changes, but it would be nice if they did. It's funny that viewership is way down but voting is way up. Those little girls must be working their phones feverishly to get the votes in.

I don't like the fact that one person has 50 available votes to use throughout the contest each and every week. This should be one obvious change for them to make.
 

ToxicAdam

Member
Changes won't make a difference anyways. People are staying away because they are burned out on Idol/singing competitions. It's just an inevitable thing.

Since AI has always been about viewer input, maybe they should put up some rule changes for a vote. Could produce some interest.
 

Trigger

Member
I really hope they make big changes for next season. If the ratings are any indication to the producers now they should definitely see that the current system just doesn't work anymore. I didn't even watch the finale last night because I was not interested or connected with either finalist and it seems several fans of the show did the same as me.

I'd love to see them change up the formula drastically. They can't expect the format to be sustainable for much longer.

My old suggestions:
-Give contestants more consistent mentors to work with week-to-week
-Make Jimmy a judge and have him fill the void Simon left
-Limit the votes per person
-Show us more of the creative process behind the scenes
 

MIMIC

Banned
Lowest-rated finale ever, including season one. BIG changes next season.

Oh SNAP.

Through the years.....season finale ratings:

Season 1: 23 million (Kelly vs. Justin) <----lowest overall viewership (10 million)
Season 2: 38 million (Ruben vs. Clay) <----highest-rated finale
Season 3: 29 million (Fantasia vs. Diana)
Season 4: 30 million (Carrie vs. Bo)
Season 5: 36 million (Taylor vs. Kat) <-----largest overall viewership (36 million)
Season 6: 31 million (Jordin vs. Blake) <---highest-rated episode (season premiere, 37 million)
Season 7: 32 million (Cook vs. Archuleta)
Season 8: 29 million (Kris vs. Adam)
Season 9: 24 million (Lee vs. Crystal)
Season 10: 29 million (Scotty vs. Lauren)
Season 11: 21 million (Phil vs. Jessica) <----lowest-rated finale

If the malaise really is setting in, then Idol had a nice run.
 

UberTag

Member
If the malaise really is setting in, then Idol had a nice run.
Why should viewers tune in to watch when the outcome is both pre-determined and the same thing over and over and over again?

Same reason why wrestling viewers are tuning out in droves.
"Generic White Guy w/ Guitar Winner" = American Idol's John Cena
 

MIMIC

Banned
Why should viewers tune in to watch when the outcome is both pre-determined and the same thing over and over and over again?

Same reason why wrestling viewers are tuning out in droves.
"Generic White Guy w/ Guitar Winner" = American Idol's John Cena

They honestly need to get rid of the instruments....but doing so would basically be an acknowledgement of the WGWG trend, and I doubt Idol would want to address the issue.
 

SteveMeister

Hang out with Steve.
I don't like the fact that one person has 50 available votes to use throughout the contest each and every week. This should be one obvious change for them to make.

That's not the problem. Text votes are unlimited -- THAT is the problem. Limiting text, phone and online votes per night is the best way to fix the show. It puts all of the contestants on an even footing. Currently, whomever can vote fastest via text will always choose the winner. Guess what segment of the audience is best & fastest at texting?
 

MIMIC

Banned
If I had my way, here would be (some of) the changes:

1. GET RID OF INSTRUMENTS: Idol was more fun and interesting when it was about the voice. They say it's a singing competition and it's a helluva lot easier to pretend that it is when you don't have a prop to hide behind. The instruments are dramatically watering down the talent pool.

2. GET RID OF THE SAVE: Tamyra, Daughtry, Pia, Constantine....Idol is all about "the shocking elimination". It adds to the drama. After all, it IS still a TV show and it's supposed to be entertaining. The "shocking boot" is a critical element of Idol's entertainment factor. Also, the ramifications of the boot are huge to the competition itself; the little contestant that could, or other dark horses suddenly look primed for a higher finish. When things aren't as clear cut as they appeared to be, it becomes must-see TV and EVERYONE has to tune in to see if the favorite gets the boot (especially when there's no chance of them coming back). The show stays fresh.

3. BRING BACK PAULA (and never have more than 3 judges): Everyone loved her. She has experience in the business and has a huge heart....and that worked well when up against Randy & Simon. She was the encouraging mom that Idol needed. But the 3 original judges made it all work: Randy; the "incoherent, but still kinda knows what he's talking about" hard ass; Paula, the cheerleader; and Simon, the nasty Brit. But I doubt it's possible now to make the judging dynamic work anymore. The 3 of them together was perfect.

4. LIMIT THE VOTING: If any of the changes were to happen, it definitely wouldn't be this because it affects one of their sponsors: AT&T. But like many mentioned, it would really allow all contestants to be on equal footing and come down to raw popularity instead of who can spend the most time power-voting. Of course, people would always find away around this but it would effectively end the huge voting blocks (and another reason they wouldn't limit the voting is because they would no longer be able to tout the numbers as "record breaking" anymore).

5. BRING BACK THE HALF-HOUR RESULTS SHOW: Remember when the results show was only 30 minutes long? Those were the days....

6. STOP THE STAGE GIMMICKS: The show has been noticeably trending toward adding more and more crap on stage....especially during this season. A single violinist or a bongo drummer is fine, but singing in the middle of a choir or having actors play out your lyrics (like with Jessica @_@) is just flat out distracting. We're no longer talking about your song, but rather how gaudy and confusing your set piece was. Keep it simple. Less is more. So on and so forth....

7. KEEP THE SCHEDULING SIMPLE: Back in the day, Idol was on 3 days a week during the audition episodes (Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday), 2 days a week during Hollywood week (Tuesday and Wednesday), and 2 days a week for performance shows and results shows (Tuesday and Wednesday). Going from Wednesday/Thursday to Tuesday/Wednesday is confusing and inconvenient for a lot of people and I'm sure Idol lost some of its viewership with that debacle. Maybe it was a scheduling thing....I dunno.
 

Tunic

Member
That's not the problem. Text votes are unlimited -- THAT is the problem. Limiting text, phone and online votes per night is the best way to fix the show. It puts all of the contestants on an even footing. Currently, whomever can vote fastest via text will always choose the winner. Guess what segment of the audience is best & fastest at texting?

Wow, I am definitely feel ignorant! I wasn't even aware the text voting was unlimited I was under the assumption it was limited as well to 50 per phone number. That's ridiculous and definitely I agree that is the problem.
 
Limiting the voting is the only change I need.

And all new judges that aren't so obviously trying to get viewers to think their mediocre contestants are OMGtalented.
 
I honestly think they should have one judge who's just some regular person. And rotate it every year.
They already tried that with Ellen, and (with much love and respect to Ellen who is undoubtedly the most genuine person in showbiz) it was an embarrassing failure.

Just replace the entire panel with some of Idol's best guest judges of yore, plus Jimmy. Jimmy Iovine, Shania Twain, and Neil Patrick Harris would save the show a few million and simultaneously improve it infinity-fold.
 

Mumei

Member
They already tried that with Ellen, and (with much love and respect to Ellen who is undoubtedly the most genuine person in showbiz) it was an embarrassing failure.

Just replace the entire panel with some of Idol's best guest judges of yore, plus Jimmy. Jimmy Iovine, Shania Twain, and Neil Patrick Harris would save the show a few million and simultaneously improve it infinity-fold.

Can we put Kara and Katy Perry on the panel together?

Not to critique the contestants; just to bicker for my entertainment.
 
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Never shocked by the GAF hate, but man, I really like Phillip's song.

Yeah, you get a lot of "derp Phillip ripped off Mumford" when in fact the artist that wrote the song is British and admits to being inspired by Mumford (and obviously Coldplay). It's a great song, and Phillip did a really good job with it, but the original singer (who is also the writer) is much more soulful when he sings it. Phillip very easily outclassed everyone else this season, but I'm not sure that's a huge accomplishment given the weak competition.
 
Yeah, you get a lot of "derp Phillip ripped off Mumford" when in fact the artist that wrote the song is British and admits to being inspired by Mumford (and obviously Coldplay). It's a great song, and Phillip did a really good job with it, but the original singer (who is also the writer) is much more soulful when he sings it. Phillip very easily outclassed everyone else this season, but I'm not sure that's a huge accomplishment given the weak competition.

There's nothing derp about it. So what if the guy admits the ripoff?

Listen to the superior, not the washed out copy by the guy that cannot stay in fucking tune. He didn't outclass anyone who wasn't flat all the damn time. The end.
 

Hunter S.

Member
Of course the viewership is down. The only real stars the shows ever produced were Carrie Underwood(easy cause it is country and she is a hot blonde), and that original winner. Seriously, most of the winners or top three are more likely to become pornstars than famous singers.

Seen at least 5 seasons.
 
Of course the viewership is down. The only real stars the shows ever produced* were Carrie Underwood(easy cause it is country and she is a hot blonde), and that original winner. Seriously, most of the winners or top three are more likely to become pornstars than famous singers.

Seen at least 5 seasons.

* Add Adam Lambert and Daughtry, to be fair. Jennifer Hudson, Jordan Sparx, Kat McFee and Fantasia could have a case made for them as well if you count Broadway, movies and TV.
 

MIMIC

Banned
* Add Adam Lambert and Daughtry, to be fair. Jennifer Hudson, Jordan Sparx, Kat McFee and Fantasia could have a case made for them as well if you count Broadway, movies and TV.

I really wouldn't liken Adam with Daughtry. It's no secret that Adam has some of the most hardcore fans this side of Clay Aiken....and I interpret his sales to be the product of many bitter fans still trying to "prove" that he should have won.

I think he, like David Cook, has yet to break out of that "Idol Bubble". I never heard any of Cook's songs on the radio, just like I haven't with Adam. I heard "What Do You Want From Me" maybe once and that was it.
 
I really wouldn't liken Adam with Daughtry. It's no secret that Adam has some of the most hardcore fans this side of Clay Aiken....and I interpret his sales to be the product of many bitter fans still trying to "prove" that he should have won.

I think he, like David Cook, has yet to break out of that "Idol Bubble". I never heard any of Cook's songs on the radio, just like I haven't with Adam. I heard "What Do You Want From Me" maybe once and that was it.

You don't debut at number one on the a billboard chart if you're in the Idol bubble. Boy is mainstream.

Adam's songs are on pop radio in Orlando all the time.
 
You don't debut at number one on the a billboard chart if you're in the Idol bubble. Boy is mainstream.

Adam's songs are on pop radio in Orlando all the time.

You do when the only people buying your albums are bitter Idol fans from his season and queens with no taste.

Besides, 77k is nothing to get excited about:

The 77,000 start for Trespassing is the smallest sum at No. 1 on the chart since the Aug. 20, 2011, tally, when Adele's 21 sold 76,000 in its 12th nonconsecutive week atop the list. Trespassing has the smallest sales week for a No. 1 debut since Amos Lee's Mission Bell started in the penthouse with 40,000 on the Feb. 12, 2011, chart.

Let's see how his album fares next week, shall we?
 

Mistle

Member
I really wouldn't liken Adam with Daughtry. It's no secret that Adam has some of the most hardcore fans this side of Clay Aiken....and I interpret his sales to be the product of many bitter fans still trying to "prove" that he should have won.

I think he, like David Cook, has yet to break out of that "Idol Bubble". I never heard any of Cook's songs on the radio, just like I haven't with Adam. I heard "What Do You Want From Me" maybe once and that was it.
Adam's songs have been high on charts even in Australia. The only other American Idol I've heard on Australian radio is Kelly Clarkson.

So he must be doing something right to reach international audiences. Especially as hardly anybody here knows that he even was on AI.
 
You do when the only people buying your albums are bitter Idol fans from his season and queens with no taste.

Besides, 77k is nothing to get excited about:



Let's see how his album fares next week, shall we?

There's no data suggesting that that's true. Just haters making shit up. It's selling better than most CDs and reviewing better too.

And yeah it didn't sell crazy numbers but for a sophomore cd from an Idol loser, it did amazingly well. He was the first out gay star to debut at number one.

Try and down play it, but he made history. Pretty sad to try and attribute that to anything but what it is.


Adam's songs have been high on charts even in Australia. The only other American Idol I've heard on Australian radio is Kelly Clarkson.

So he must be doing something right to reach international audiences. Especially as hardly anybody here knows that he even was on AI.

I guess Australia is just packed with "queens with no taste"

Fuck that. The boy is doing great, and no amount of false shade stops that. Shame on anyone for trying.
 
"Out gay" by AfterElton's definition of that awful term, which allows them to write a blaring headline about it.

He's done better than the vast majority of Idol losers. That isn't really saying much.
 
"Out gay" by AfterElton's definition of that awful term, which allows them to write a blaring headline about it.

He's done better than the vast majority of Idol losers. That isn't really saying much.

Nothing awful about it. It's a hell of an achievement and something worth celebrating. Try being positive about change. You're the only person I've heard trying to down play this. My FB/Twitter was alive with this news.

Really shameful of you.
 

royalan

Member
It can't be helped when the judging panel is filled with celebrities who don't want to look bad by being too mean.

That's why I love MY Queen. She tells it how it is and does. not. give. a. fuuuck.

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Idol wishes, to be honest.

Yeah, you get a lot of "derp Phillip ripped off Mumford" when in fact the artist that wrote the song is British and admits to being inspired by Mumford (and obviously Coldplay). It's a great song, and Phillip did a really good job with it, but the original singer (who is also the writer) is much more soulful when he sings it. Phillip very easily outclassed everyone else this season, but I'm not sure that's a huge accomplishment given the weak competition.

Dude, no. Just...stop. We get it, you love Phillip Phillips, but he did not outclass ANY of the top contestants this season. We could sit here and clock all the times he started and finished flat. We can clock him straining and missing notes point blank. We can remind you of his severe allergy to melody and how he possessed all the musicality of the Cookie Monster. We can point out how he stood there on stage every week hoping that nobody noticed that he was just playing the same chord over and over on his guitar-shaped crutch. We can insist that the only vocal flourish he is capable of is that annoying staccato-esque thing he does when he wants people to think he's "taking it home". We can remind you of all these things and you'd still love him. We've accepted it.

But that is your personal bias towards his voice. On a technical level, Phillip Phillips won this season for a lot of reasons, but "outclassing" the competition wasn't one of them.

If I had my way, here would be (some of) the changes:

1. GET RID OF INSTRUMENTS: Idol was more fun and interesting when it was about the voice. They say it's a singing competition and it's a helluva lot easier to pretend that it is when you don't have a prop to hide behind. The instruments are dramatically watering down the talent pool.

2. GET RID OF THE SAVE: Tamyra, Daughtry, Pia, Constantine....Idol is all about "the shocking elimination". It adds to the drama. After all, it IS still a TV show and it's supposed to be entertaining. The "shocking boot" is a critical element of Idol's entertainment factor. Also, the ramifications of the boot are huge to the competition itself; the little contestant that could, or other dark horses suddenly look primed for a higher finish. When things aren't as clear cut as they appeared to be, it becomes must-see TV and EVERYONE has to tune in to see if the favorite gets the boot (especially when there's no chance of them coming back). The show stays fresh.

3. BRING BACK PAULA (and never have more than 3 judges): Everyone loved her. She has experience in the business and has a huge heart....and that worked well when up against Randy & Simon. She was the encouraging mom that Idol needed. But the 3 original judges made it all work: Randy; the "incoherent, but still kinda knows what he's talking about" hard ass; Paula, the cheerleader; and Simon, the nasty Brit. But I doubt it's possible now to make the judging dynamic work anymore. The 3 of them together was perfect.

4. LIMIT THE VOTING: If any of the changes were to happen, it definitely wouldn't be this because it affects one of their sponsors: AT&T. But like many mentioned, it would really allow all contestants to be on equal footing and come down to raw popularity instead of who can spend the most time power-voting. Of course, people would always find away around this but it would effectively end the huge voting blocks (and another reason they wouldn't limit the voting is because they would no longer be able to tout the numbers as "record breaking" anymore).

5. BRING BACK THE HALF-HOUR RESULTS SHOW: Remember when the results show was only 30 minutes long? Those were the days....

6. STOP THE STAGE GIMMICKS: The show has been noticeably trending toward adding more and more crap on stage....especially during this season. A single violinist or a bongo drummer is fine, but singing in the middle of a choir or having actors play out your lyrics (like with Jessica @_@) is just flat out distracting. We're no longer talking about your song, but rather how gaudy and confusing your set piece was. Keep it simple. Less is more. So on and so forth....

7. KEEP THE SCHEDULING SIMPLE: Back in the day, Idol was on 3 days a week during the audition episodes (Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday), 2 days a week during Hollywood week (Tuesday and Wednesday), and 2 days a week for performance shows and results shows (Tuesday and Wednesday). Going from Wednesday/Thursday to Tuesday/Wednesday is confusing and inconvenient for a lot of people and I'm sure Idol lost some of its viewership with that debacle. Maybe it was a scheduling thing....I dunno.

This post slayed me with its thorough brilliance.
 
Dude, no. Just...stop. We get it, you love Phillip Phillips, but he did not outclass ANY of the top contestants this season. We could sit here and clock all the times he started and finished flat. We can clock him straining and missing notes point blank. We can remind you of his severe allergy to melody and how he possessed all the musicality of the Cookie Monster. We can point out how he stood there on stage every week hoping that nobody noticed that he was just playing the same chord over and over on his guitar-shaped crutch. We can insist that the only vocal flourish he is capable of is that annoying staccato-esque thing he does when he wants people to think he's "taking it home". We can remind you of all these things and you'd still love him. We've accepted it.

But that is your personal bias towards his voice. On a technical level, Phillip Phillips won this season for a lot of reasons, but "outclassing" the competition wasn't one of them.

Exactly. Word for word.

I swear baconsammy is hoping P2 will read his nonsense and invite him to live with him. To take him away from his life and live in the land of guys who cannot fucking hits their notes to save their goddamn lives.
 

Trigger

Member
Dude, no. Just...stop. We get it, you love Phillip Phillips, but he did not outclass ANY of the top contestants this season. We could sit here and clock all the times he started and finished flat. We can clock him straining and missing notes point blank. We can remind you of his severe allergy to melody and how he possessed all the musicality of the Cookie Monster. We can point out how he stood there on stage every week hoping that nobody noticed that he was just playing the same chord over and over on his guitar-shaped crutch. We can insist that the only vocal flourish he is capable of is that annoying staccato-esque thing he does when he wants people to think he's "taking it home". We can remind you of all these things and you'd still love him. We've accepted it.

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#KillingMeSoftlyWithThatTea
 

Mistle

Member
Dude, no. Just...stop. We get it, you love Phillip Phillips, but he did not outclass ANY of the top contestants this season. We could sit here and clock all the times he started and finished flat. We can clock him straining and missing notes point blank. We can remind you of his severe allergy to melody and how he possessed all the musicality of the Cookie Monster. We can point out how he stood there on stage every week hoping that nobody noticed that he was just playing the same chord over and over on his guitar-shaped crutch. We can insist that the only vocal flourish he is capable of is that annoying staccato-esque thing he does when he wants people to think he's "taking it home". We can remind you of all these things and you'd still love him. We've accepted it.
Sometimes greatness isn't determined by technical skill. It's true that Philip didn't outclass Jessica going on pure vocal talent, but he has so much interest and personality in his voice that does outclass many of the other contestants.
 

MIMIC

Banned
You don't debut at number one on the a billboard chart if you're in the Idol bubble. Boy is mainstream.

Adam's songs are on pop radio in Orlando all the time.

Adam's first album recorded a massive drop in its 2nd week, proving that the 1st week was due to massive buying campaigns organized by fans.

Week #1: No. 3 - 198,466
Week #2: No. 22 - 50,999

That's a 74% drop. Overall, the album sold 838,000 copies....meaning that it's 1st week comprised roughly 24% of its total sales. The higher the percentage, the more front-loaded it was.

Let's look at Cook, Aiken, and Daughtry:

David Cook:

Week #1: No. 3 - 279,578
Week #2: No. 10 - 111,623

It was a 60% drop, which isn't terrible. The album overall sold 1.5 million. It's debut was roughly 19% of its total sales, which is kinda low which suggests that the album wasn't particularly front-loaded. Maybe I was wrong about him.

EDIT: Ugh, this it too much work. Here's the abbreviated version:

Daughtry had an average 2nd week sales drop and his 1st week sales were only a miniscule percentage of his overall sales. Aiken had a massive 2nd week drop (IIRC) and his 1st week contributed to an extremely large portion of his total album sales. I'll try and work out the stats later....I got a little lazy midway through this post. Just take my word for it =p

Adam is doing extraordinarily well for himself but his sales have been trending like other Idols who seem to still be profiting largely from those who voted for them.

EDIT: Also, Adam is doing incredibly well outside of the U.S. as well.....and that IS something.
 

royalan

Member
Sometimes greatness isn't determined by technical skill. It's true that Philip didn't outclass Jessica going on pure vocal talent, but he has so much interest and personally in his voice and personality that does outclass many of the other contestants.

And I can totally agree with that. My favorite Idol winner is still Fantasia Barrino, and anybody who watched season 3 knows that she wasn't the "best" vocalist competing that season (that honor goes to Letoya London). However, she was "good enough" (i.e. could pick from a wide variety of songs and sing them competently and with little-to-no technical issues) that she didn't have to rely solely on her "personality" and appeal to win her season.

My issue with P2 is something I said weeks ago. About a 3rd of the way through this competition it became crystal freaking clear that he was going to win, and more-so than any other Idol contestant (except maybe Scotty) Phillip seemed to know that. His song choices got lazier and lazier (which the judges applauded him for) and he cruised through.
 

Mistle

Member
And I can totally agree with that. My favorite Idol winner is still Fantasia Barrino, and anybody who watched season 3 knows that she wasn't the "best" vocalist competing that season (that honor goes to Letoya London). However, she was "good enough" (i.e. could pick from a wide variety of songs and sing them competently and with little-to-no technical issues) that she didn't have to rely solely on her "personality" and appeal to win her season.

My issue with P2 is something I said weeks ago. About a 3rd of the way through this competition it became crystal freaking clear that he was going to win, and more-so than any other Idol contestant (except maybe Scotty) Phillip seemed to know that. His song choices got lazier and lazier (which the judges applauded him for) and he cruised through.
Fair enough. Though some of my fav performances by him came late in the show, such as Volcano and We've Got Tonight.
 

JCX

Member
If I had my way, here would be (some of) the changes:

1. GET RID OF INSTRUMENTS: Idol was more fun and interesting when it was about the voice. They say it's a singing competition and it's a helluva lot easier to pretend that it is when you don't have a prop to hide behind. The instruments are dramatically watering down the talent pool.

2. GET RID OF THE SAVE: Tamyra, Daughtry, Pia, Constantine....Idol is all about "the shocking elimination". It adds to the drama. After all, it IS still a TV show and it's supposed to be entertaining. The "shocking boot" is a critical element of Idol's entertainment factor. Also, the ramifications of the boot are huge to the competition itself; the little contestant that could, or other dark horses suddenly look primed for a higher finish. When things aren't as clear cut as they appeared to be, it becomes must-see TV and EVERYONE has to tune in to see if the favorite gets the boot (especially when there's no chance of them coming back). The show stays fresh.

3. BRING BACK PAULA (and never have more than 3 judges): Everyone loved her. She has experience in the business and has a huge heart....and that worked well when up against Randy & Simon. She was the encouraging mom that Idol needed. But the 3 original judges made it all work: Randy; the "incoherent, but still kinda knows what he's talking about" hard ass; Paula, the cheerleader; and Simon, the nasty Brit. But I doubt it's possible now to make the judging dynamic work anymore. The 3 of them together was perfect.

4. LIMIT THE VOTING: If any of the changes were to happen, it definitely wouldn't be this because it affects one of their sponsors: AT&T. But like many mentioned, it would really allow all contestants to be on equal footing and come down to raw popularity instead of who can spend the most time power-voting. Of course, people would always find away around this but it would effectively end the huge voting blocks (and another reason they wouldn't limit the voting is because they would no longer be able to tout the numbers as "record breaking" anymore).

5. BRING BACK THE HALF-HOUR RESULTS SHOW: Remember when the results show was only 30 minutes long? Those were the days....

6. STOP THE STAGE GIMMICKS: The show has been noticeably trending toward adding more and more crap on stage....especially during this season. A single violinist or a bongo drummer is fine, but singing in the middle of a choir or having actors play out your lyrics (like with Jessica @_@) is just flat out distracting. We're no longer talking about your song, but rather how gaudy and confusing your set piece was. Keep it simple. Less is more. So on and so forth....

7. KEEP THE SCHEDULING SIMPLE: Back in the day, Idol was on 3 days a week during the audition episodes (Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday), 2 days a week during Hollywood week (Tuesday and Wednesday), and 2 days a week for performance shows and results shows (Tuesday and Wednesday). Going from Wednesday/Thursday to Tuesday/Wednesday is confusing and inconvenient for a lot of people and I'm sure Idol lost some of its viewership with that debacle. Maybe it was a scheduling thing....I dunno.

1. As much as I blame instruments, I'd rather they be banned until top 5 night.

2. YES. The save wouldn't have even been available for DAUGHTRY and Tamyra. Jessica has been the only worthwhile save.

3. Generally agree with a panel reboot. I'd honestly rather have Kara back. She would have been a fine judge if not for Simon and his two stooges gunning for her the whole season.

4. Yes

5. YES

6. YES, leave the awfulness to XF/The voice

7. Yes

My changes:

1) Bring back top 24 (season 4-7) . Their current mass elimination method is not good at culling the truly week and letting the underexposed grow a fanbase.

2) Raise the stakes. No more "Everyone gets a contract!". Winner takes all, the top 12 night should be the first on the big stage as a reward for making the finals, etc

Sidenote: Phil has the best winner's song, but Fantasia has the best performance. Not a fan of juts collapsing after a win. Kelly and Fantasia struck a great balance between the two sides.
 

JCX

Member
Speaking of changes, the American Idol facebook page has a link to activate survey about this season. Very thorough. I gave bad ratings to all of the judges.
 

MIMIC

Banned
1) Bring back top 24 (season 4-7) . Their current mass elimination method is not good at culling the truly week and letting the underexposed grow a fanbase.

Totally forgot about that.

ABSOLUTELY yes. We get to see more of the contestants during the actual competition phases. Mass elimination leaves some contestants at the mercy of word-of-mouth or face time.

TOP 24 (2 males then 2 females are eliminated)
TOP 20 (2 males then 2 females are eliminated)
TOP 16 (2 males then 2 females are eliminated)

Lesser-known contestants get a better chance to gain some traction and develop a fanbase, rather than having their survival being based on a single song.

2) Raise the stakes. No more "Everyone gets a contract!". Winner takes all, the top 12 night should be the first on the big stage as a reward for making the finals, etc

I agree. Despite Daughtry, Adam, and Jennifer Hudon's huge success outside of the show, they do NOT belong in the intro. They weren't crowned as the American Idol and thus should not be implied as plausible or "rightful" winners. The entire premise of the show has been disintegrating ever since Daughtry did so well after the show.

And yeah...top 12 night should be the night when the "big stage" is debuted.

And I don't even get why Casey, Lauren & James are in the intro. What the hell have they done so far?
 

MIMIC

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New ‘American Idol’ contract allows for lower payouts, no album guarantees for runners-up

LOS ANGELES — Coming in second on “American Idol” may still be a path to superstardom, but it no longer offers guaranteed paychecks worthy of the next pop idol or rock star.

Wednesday night’s runner-up, 16-year-old Jessica Sanchez, doesn’t have a definite shot at producing an album and could be paid as little as $30,000 in advances for recording singles, according to the “Idol” contract she and other Season 11 contestants signed earlier this year.

The agreement appears to be the first time in “Idol’s” history that producers are not offering the show’s runner-up an album deal that in previous years came with a guaranteed advance of at least $175,000, an Associated Press review of the Fox show’s contracts reveals.

The analysis covers eight of “Idol’s” 11 seasons during which contracts filed for contestants under the age of 18 were available. The contracts were reviewed by judges in accordance with a California law that requires at least 15 percent of a minor entertainer’s earnings be set aside for their benefit once they reach adulthood.

The reduced royalty advance covers the period immediately following the show. In addition to recording new music, the series’ winners and finalists are obligated to perform in a concert tour and lend their likeness to a Walt Disney World Resort attraction in Florida.

If Sanchez is given an album deal following the show, she will receive the same $175,000 bonus that Lauren Alaina was paid after placing second in the show’s 10th season. But 19 Recordings Inc., which has the option to handle the albums and recordings of Idol contestants for several years after they appear on the show, has replaced a guaranteed album deal for the runner-up with a staggered “Development Period” that requires less music and pays out less in advances.

Sanchez could be paid as little as $30,000 if she is asked to perform four single songs, or $60,000 if she records an “EP” of between four and 10 songs.

Representatives for 19 Recordings Inc. and “American Idol” producer FremantleMedia declined comment. They also have not disclosed which recording deal would be offered to Sanchez.

“It makes sense. You can’t continue to offer the same sorts of rewards and incentives when the program was averaging 25 to 30 million (viewers), and (now) the finale is barely breaking 20 million,” said Northwestern University assistant professor Max Dawson, who teaches a course on reality television. Wednesday’s finale was the lowest-rated final show for “Idol” in its history.

“These contracts don’t pay off,” he said, contrasting the long list of “Idol” alumni who have been dropped by record labels with those who have thriving careers. “It seems like the successes that people like Kelly Clarkson and Carrie Underwood have had are the flukes.”

He noted that the recording industry has shifted toward single song sales in recent years, and even established artists are struggling to sell full albums. “I wouldn’t be surprised, quite frankly, if this is the direction they head with the winners,” Dawson said.

Buyers purchased nearly 1.3 billion single songs last year as opposed to 331 million albums, said Dave Bakula, Nielsen’s senior vice president of analytics for SoundScan. He noted that there have been some successful “Idol” runners-up, but producers appear to be giving themselves more flexibility with how they develop artists in different genres.

“Idol” winner Phillip Phillips will receive the same $300,000 advance given to last year’s winner, Scotty McCreery, upon completion of his first album, according to the contracts. Finalists who placed third and lower could receive deals to record singles, EPs or full albums, with the lowest advance amounting to $24,000 if they complete their commitment to record up to four single songs.

Higher advances are paid if 19 Recordings agrees to produce more albums, with Phillips eligible to receive up to $800,000 for a six-album deal.

The advances are paid and later deducted from the singer’s song royalties.

“As the music industry is changing, it makes sense for ‘Idol’ to change as well,” Dawson said.

Despite the contract reductions, there are more opportunities for recent “Idol” contestants to earn money than their predecessors. Phillips will be paid $200,000 for his Disney attraction work and Sanchez will rake in $50,000 for her appearances. Both are also set to get a cut of merchandise profits.

No matter what recording deal Sanchez is offered, she already has heavyweight Hollywood representation. In March, a judge approved a deal in which she will be represented by Creative Artists Agency for future television, personal appearance and other employment deals.
AP/Washington Post

Seems like the change has less to do with limiting the bulk of incentives for the winner and more to do with the music industry's climate (and Idol's sagging ratings).
 
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