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And, if Nintendo hadn't created the Wii...

Fio

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I found the link to this 'article' in N'Gai Croal blog. Really interesting read and good points.


Read below:


I usually talk about data in this post, but for once, let's use our imagination instead of numbers.

I think it's interesting to consider what this console market would look like, right now, if Nintendo hadn't created the Wii. Let's imagine that the Wii doesn't exist, and that Nintendo exited the console market after the Gamecube.

Is it possible that instead of all these magazine articles talking about how the gaming demographic is expanding rapidly, that instead we'd be seeing articles about the "great gaming crash?"


It's not unfair to argue that the 360 and the PS3 would have higher sales, to some degree, if the Wii didn't exist, but their price would still be an obstacle. Microsoft and Sony are doing everything they can to ignore the hard-wired fact that consoles are a $299 market. It doesn't matter if you include a microwave, a snowblower, and a Hemi--it's still a $299 market.

Take the Wii's seven million units in six months out of the console base, though, and you could make a serious argument that console gaming is floundering, at least in terms of the rate of adoption. Tell me this: how many people believed that the Wii would outsell the 360 and the PS3 combined?

Here's your answer: absolutely no one.
I was tremendously positive after trying out the Wii at E3 (thanks Erik), and totally negative on the PS3 (price--that was dead solid obvious), but even I had no clue that the Wii could turn into such a craze.

Sure, some people now say "Well, of course it's selling like crazy--it's $249!" In a word: bullshit. None of those people were saying that before the console was released--almost everyone was questioning Nintendo's ability to survive in the console market.

So take out the Wii. Have a console at $399 and one at $599. Have them selling, combined, about 600,000 units worldwide in April. You know what the story would be?

Next-Gen is dead.


There would be analysts freaking out everywhere, talking about the upcoming Gaming Ice Age. It would be the end of days. Newsweek would have a magazine cover with 360's and PS3's being buried in the desert, along with Atari 2600 E.T. cartridges.

I think that's what we'd be reading about now if the Wii wasn't around. So for all these high-paid analysts who claim that the Wii succeeding is bad for the gaming industry, I say think again. Nintendo is saving everyone's ass until Microsoft and Sony stop kidding themselves and price their consoles for the mass market.

http://dubiousquality.blogspot.com/2007/06/console-post-of-week.html
 
Actually, I called the Wii outselling PS3 and Xbox360 upon its unveiling. Pretty much all my predictions about the Wii were right. So suck it N'Gai Croal blog.
 
Sure, some people now say "Well, of course it's selling like crazy--it's $249!" In a word: bullshit. None of those people were saying that before the console was released--almost everyone was questioning Nintendo's ability to survive in the console market.

N'Gai reads GAF confirmed.
 
a bit to opinionated for my taste, but

Sure, some people now say "Well, of course it's selling like crazy--it's $249!" In a word: bullshit. None of those people were saying that before the console was released--almost everyone was questioning Nintendo's ability to survive in the console market.

That is truth.
 
That's not N'Gai, that's just a blog post from "Bill Harris" that he linked to on his blog.

I was thinking the same thing (about there being a "crash" if Nintendo didn't exist) after the last NPD and almost started a thread here on it.
 
Mason said:
Actually, I called the Wii outselling PS3 and Xbox360 upon its unveiling. Pretty much all my predictions about the Wii were right. So suck it N'Gai Croal blog.

combined though?
 
3 console market bigger than 2 console market?
It'd be less pretty, that I agree with but not so doom and gloom. I do think MS needs to get on the train and start to get competetive with the Wii pricing. They're dropping the ball so hard blinded by the price of the PS3.
 
I knew the Wii would be a success, but I did not think the HD consoles would be such a failure. I think hanging around GAF so much made me really believe the market was composed of enough rich tech-heads to keep both systems in the race.

as for the last part if his post, what analysts say the Wii is bad for the industry?? I can't understand how you could take that position, unless you are talking about the technology/HD industry
 
Sure, some people now say "Well, of course it's selling like crazy--it's $249!" In a word: bullshit. None of those people were saying that before the console was released--almost everyone was questioning Nintendo's ability to survive in the console market.

Weren't "people" saying that the price was going to help nintendo out, a lot, especially after hearing the PS3's price? And weren't they doubting nintendo's success, because of bs like HD adoption and tech?
 
Nintendo hasn't changed the way I game or think about games. The games I want are still here, aren't going anywhere, never were going anywhere. So far I have yet to see one AAA game go to the Wii. So all this doom and gloom stuff is a bit stupid. New projects are starting RIGHT NOW with the two next-gen systems in mind.
 
Joust Williams said:
Nintendo hasn't changed the way I game or think about games. The games I want are still here, aren't going anywhere, never were going anywhere. So far I have yet to see one AAA game go to the Wii. So all this doom and gloom stuff is a bit stupid. New projects are starting RIGHT NOW with the two next-gen systems in mind.

the article wasn't about you specifically.
 
Joust Williams said:
Nintendo hasn't changed the way I game or think about games. The games I want are still here, aren't going anywhere, never were going anywhere. So far I have yet to see one AAA game go to the Wii. So all this doom and gloom stuff is a bit stupid. New projects are starting RIGHT NOW with the two next-gen systems in mind.
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Fio Maravilha said:
So for all these high-paid analysts who claim that the Wii succeeding is bad for the gaming industry, I say think again. Nintendo is saving everyone's ass until Microsoft and Sony stop kidding themselves and price their consoles for the mass market.

Bingo. $500-$600 consoles will do more harm to the video game industry than Nintendo and its non game mini game low res last gen tech could ever dream of. I'm still amazed at how many people here don't understand that.
 
People who are surprised about the Wii's success remind me of Republicans who act like no one knew the Iraq War would be a debacle beforehand.

Actually lots of people predicted its success.
 
It would not be doomed. The PS2 and Gamecube would sell instead of the Wii that's all.
The transition to the PS3/360 would have happened, probably at the same speed as right now. Not alarming.
 
I thought this was going to be a "what if Nintendo created a system more like the PS3/360" sort of article.

It's really kind of irrelevant as is, because Nintendo had plenty of money all along thanks to its handheld and software sales.

EDIT: I see that N'Gai didn't write this. Everything is explained.
 
One of the funniest thing i've noticed from the Wii haters is how they say that one of the main appeals of the console is its cheap price.

This is was the same people saying eight months ago that the Wii was doomed cos it was only 50 dollars cheaper than an Xbox360.
 
Why the hell should I care about what some people I don't even know think? I'm glad that the Wii is changing your opinions/habits/etc. That has no bearing on me. I posted from MY perspective.
 
BocoDragon said:
People who are surprised about the Wii's success remind me of Republicans who act like no one knew the Iraq War would be a debacle beforehand.

Actually lots of people predicted its success.


Want me to link some GAF Revolution threads? when it was unveiled? When the controler was shown? the name??


Nobody predicted it kicking 360/Ps3s ass
 
hyp said:
*sigh*

next-gen would not be dead.

not dead but the market would probably be smaller.

Mason said:
Actually, I called the Wii outselling PS3 and Xbox360 upon its unveiling. Pretty much all my predictions about the Wii were right. So suck it N'Gai Croal blog.

When massive crowds were running through sonys ps3 booth just to wait 8 hours in nintendos booth line, i knew DS's cousin had arrived.
 
BocoDragon said:
People who are surprised about the Wii's success remind me of Republicans who act like no one knew the Iraq War would be a debacle beforehand.

Actually lots of people predicted its success.

There are also lots of people who flip flopped and said they predicted it would happen and all the signs were there even if they were on the record making wrong predictions for the wii.

Hindsight is 20/20.
 
Grecco said:
Want me to link some GAF Revolution threads? when it was unveiled? When the controler was shown? the name??

Oh, I'm perfectly aware of how GAF was full of insane fundie nerds who thought Nintendo was doomed forever. I was there debating them, all the time.

Hcoregamer00 said:
Hindsight is 20/20.
But I was arguing for its success from the day the controller was announced.
 
Grecco said:
Want me to link some GAF Revolution threads? when it was unveiled? When the controler was shown? the name??


Nobody predicted it kicking 360/Ps3s ass
I predicted it, just like I predicted the same for Gamecube, the N64. Boy I was wrong twice but I guess third times a charm?
 
Joust Williams said:
Why the hell should I care about what some people I don't even know think? I'm glad that the Wii is changing your opinions/habits/etc. That has no bearing on me. I posted from MY perspective.

The point of this blog post, from what I gather, is essentially a look at the sales/adoption rate for the 360 and PS3 thus far. The whole thing is a hypothetical, broad discussion. Not 'And if Nintendo hadn't created the Wii...what would Joust Williams have done?' :)
 
This very much reminds me of Nas and his "Hip-Hop is Dead" album.

The bigger if is, if Nintendo exited the home video game sector, gaming would be dead for me. I would still game, for the few Jap devs out there, but that's about it. My game buying would be around 5-10 a year. Not including GBA/DS.

And ps - would somebody please do a Paper Mario: TTYD appreciation thread or LTTP. Just started playing it, in anticipation of the sequel. I bought it new for £55. But damn was it worth it. I don't like making threads.
 
stuff said:
The whole thing is a hypothetical, broad discussion

Yeah, what would have happened is that developers would have made games for the PS3 and 360. Hey, that's what is happening now! This is great hypothetical discussion.
 
Joust Williams said:
Yeah, what would have happened is that developers would have made games for the PS3 and 360. Hey, that's what is happening now! This is great hypothetical discussion.


did you understand the article?
 
For me its not about Nintendo, Sony, or MS.

If all three consoles were over $299 (CAD) I would just stick to my PC.

At least this gen we have a choice. The bitching is really unfounded on that front.

Joust Williams said:
Yeah, what would have happened is that developers would have made games for the PS3 and 360. Hey, that's what is happening now! This is great hypothetical discussion.

I really wonder if you believe that. You sure bitch a lot for someone who feels the industry is going their way. If 360/PS3 are getting all the games like you claim, then why do you feel it necessary to say negative things towards the wii? You should be the first one to shut the hell up, considering that according to you the games YOU want are going to the consoles YOU want.
 
BocoDragon said:
But I was arguing for its success from the day the controller was announced.

Yeah, but to argue that it would be the success it is now would have been suicide back then.

I don't think anyone predicted it would sell as well as it is right now and that it would have shortages 6 months after being released while producing more consoles than any other company in history.
 
IF NINTENDO HADN'T CREATED THE WII IMMUTABLE HISTORICAL FORCES WOULD'VE BROUGHT IT ABOUT ANYWAY

IT'S BASIC WAGGLECTICAL MATERIALISM

ALL VIDEO GAMES ARE THE PRODUCT OF CONFLICT BETWEEN WAGGLE AND ITS TRADITIONALIST OPPRESSORS, THOUGH GAME DESIGNERS OF THE PAST HAVE PERHAPS REPRESSED THIS FACT
 
Joust Williams said:
The article says, "Hey it sells well, people didn't see this coming". How many threads have there been for that now? 4000?


so you mean we've only read this post...

Joust Williams said:
Nintendo hasn't changed the way I game or think about games. The games I want are still here, aren't going anywhere, never were going anywhere. So far I have yet to see one AAA game go to the Wii. So all this doom and gloom stuff is a bit stupid. New projects are starting RIGHT NOW with the two next-gen systems in mind.


4000 times? hmmm, seems like more.
 
Joust Williams said:
Yeah, what would have happened is that developers would have made games for the PS3 and 360. Hey, that's what is happening now! This is great hypothetical discussion.

...

Wow. Yeah, I don't think you understood the OP at all.
 
BocoDragon said:
Oh, I'm perfectly aware of how GAF was full of insane fundie nerds who thought Nintendo was doomed forever. I was there debating them, all the time.

This kind of makes you sound like the insane nerd.
 
drohne said:
IF NINTENDO HADN'T CREATED THE WII IMMUTABLE HISTORICAL FORCES WOULD'VE BROUGHT IT ABOUT ANYWAY

IT'S BASIC WAGGLECTICAL MATERIALISM

ALL VIDEO GAMES ARE THE PRODUCT OF CONFLICT BETWEEN WAGGLE AND ITS TRADITIONALIST OPPRESSORS, THOUGH GAME DESIGNERS OF THE PAST HAVE PERHAPS REPRESSED THIS FACT

my mind has been officially blown.
 
drohne said:
ALL VIDEO GAMES ARE THE PRODUCT OF CONFLICT BETWEEN WAGGLE AND ITS TRADITIONALIST OPPRESSORS, THOUGH GAME DESIGNERS OF THE PAST HAVE PERHAPS REPRESSED THIS FACT

lenin_photo.jpg

"Stop stealing my ideas" :lol
 
So Wii's price has nothing to do with its success, but then he says that microsoft and sony should drop the price asap ?

mkay
 
hyp said:
*sigh*

next-gen would not be dead.

Most people were saying this hardware cycle would be longer than usual with a slower ramp up. That is still the case. Nintendo launching the Wii has little to do with it.
 
Raist said:
So Wii's price has nothing to do with its success, but then he says that microsoft and sony should drop the price asap ?

Being within a mass market price is a prerequisite to success but not a guarantee thereof.
 
Joust Williams said:
The article says, "Hey it sells well, people didn't see this coming". How many threads have there been for that now? 4000?
I dunno. Just check your post history; I think you´ve posted in every one of them.
 
I'll admit, I didn't think the Wii would be this popular and I predicted that the PS3 would win (this was before Sony announced that outrageous price). I did think the Wii would beat the 360, but Nintendo was on the ball the whole time. $299 USD or lower is the magic price point, all 3 consoles last gen released for $299 or less (although we were getting ripped off up here in Canada) and although the Cube was last despite being cheaper, it actually came out of the gates really strong and only dropped off after year 2.
 
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