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The Asterix was meant to denote those who chose more than one. Klee even explained its usage in his OP post.
Lots of people picked more than one.
Lots of people picked more than one.
DeaconKnowledge
Member
Sharp said:
Understand, i'm not saying that there are more Nintendo fans than there are Sony or MS fans. What I am saying is that the Nintendo fans that were there were more vocal than any other set.
The amount of Sony fans hasn't changed at GAF (or any other forum) proportionally, but the ones that ARE there are louder and more vocal than ever.
DeaconKnowledge
Member
Deku said:
Perfect example.
Similarly, look at the change of the 'Gahiggidy' gif from the sales threads to 'Monorojo'. What's happened here is that instead of Sony fans talking with the ebb and flow of the market and therefore going relatively unheard, the market has changed. What happens then is that the rationality in a fanboys 'voice' is changed: saying something against the grain (in the current case, Nintendo) gets you labelled a fanboy instead of rational. The fanboyism that a Sony fan exhibits hasn't changed at all, it's just been exposed due to it not following the flow of popular thought or fact.
I've noticed Gahiggidy and other popular "NTards" still spouting the same things they have for years, but now the market is reflecting what they say, so they are not deemed fanboys. It's really a fascinating psychology.
A few? There are at least 75 asterisks (I counted 78) in the Nintendo category alone. I'm not saying you're wrong, but I don't see how this proves your initial point, which was:Amir0x said:
Just glancing at the names in the Nintendo category alone, there are at least five that are listed twice (Gamergirly, N-off, OniShiro, Smiles and Cries, and Timen), throwing the relevance of this poll off even more.Amir0x said:
The only way to get the bottom of NeoGAF user bias is a poll where there are only three options: Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo. I'd like to see a separate poll for just NeoGAF mods too that could be kept anonymous. I think this is the only definitive way to put an end to this argument.
edit: But then again, how many users didn't vote because they don't want their company bias to be known? If the poll were anonymous these users would vote, but then we'd have the hardcore fanboys voting for the company that they don't favor in order to make their chosen company look oppressed.
Any way you slice it, it's hard to get a definitive answer.
soundwave05
Member
DeaconKnowledge said:
To me personally, I think it's just some people can dish out trash talk, but can't take it when the tables get turned.
Lots of people on GAF whooped it up when the DS + Wii were unveiled and we had to listen to thread after thread after thread about Nintendo's impending doom.
Now they got egg on their face and want to cry about it. That's their own fault, nothing on GAF itself has changed at all (sales threads rule all ... same thing 4-5 years ago). That picture of a boat sinking with a Nintendo logo on it was quite popular on these boards a few years ago for instance.
Huh.....Why the hell is this thread still on the front page? People just need to accept things as it is right now and move on. When things change we talk. Fact is that Nintendo is kicking ass right NOW so lets talk about games....oh shit, what the hell am I saying, this is GAF...:lol :lol :lol :lol
Eteric Rice
Member
jrricky said:
*thumbs up*
-ImaginaryInsider
Member
Wiitard said:
I can agree with most of the positive Wii-related theories, but the above theory, which is slowly creeping into some of these threads, for the record, is the bizzaro-world equivalent to the equally misguided "the Wii is a fad" argument.
RiskyChris
Banned
-ImaginaryInsider said:
What theory? That most of the PS3/360 support you see today is because no one believed in Nintendo yesterday? This is a fair assessment, and after many of these projects finish, a nontrivial portion of support will be shifted to Wii. Not all of it.
Kobun Heat
Member
Right. And at the time, crazy Sony fanboys were backed up by market realities, so you didn't notice that they were nuts.DeaconKnowledge said:
PhoenixDark
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soundwave05 said:
What you have is a group of elitists now on the losing side. It's like Duke fans last year; you're on the winning team year after year than BAM the tables turn and all of a sudden it ain't fun no mo.
At the end of the day Nintendo's grandma approved, gimped, last gen, stupidly named, Gamecube 1.2...have I missed anyting...console is dominating the videogame market while the PS3 stumbles across the world and the 360 continues it's simply good sales. There is egg on a lot of people's faces, including mine; I thought the Wii would be an utter failure, and I still kinda think it will fade away (but I'll most like be proven wrong).
But instead of taking this in stride, growing up, having fun with games, etc...no, people want to moan. People want to discredit this article. People want to do everything that doesn't involve actually playing ****ing games and having some god damn fun with whatever god damn console they prefer.
viciouskillersquirrel
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Mind you, TRUE insanity will always shine through, regardless of market realities. Just look at Monorojo or Chibicyclist...Kobun Heat said:
That said, the overwhelming loser will always have the most vocal fans. Having their beloved system of choice ignored by the market and ridiculed by other fanboys puts them on the defensive. Being on the defensive causes them to lash out and exhibit some rather outlandish behaviour in doing so.
Anyone remember what Sega fanboys were like during the darkest days of the Saturn or the Dreamcast? After that, you had the Nintendo-only Gamecube appreciation threads every other week. For a current-day example, just look at the PSP games thread title (Troll elsewhere you bastards).
This phenomenon has never been limited to just Nintendo fans. It has and always will happen to the fans of the losing system. It's the Sony fan's turn now.
how are 'market realities' supposed to hide or expose a person's inherent fanboy stupidity? nintendo fans want sales figures to be an effective reply to everything.
a: wii is doomed
b: but look at the sales
so far so good
a: wii hasn't got any games
b: but look at the sales
much less satisfactory
a: the controller isn't any good
b: but look at the sales
approaching irrelevance
a: you guys are loonies
b: but look at the sales
non sequitur
a: wii is doomed
b: but look at the sales
so far so good
a: wii hasn't got any games
b: but look at the sales
much less satisfactory
a: the controller isn't any good
b: but look at the sales
approaching irrelevance
a: you guys are loonies
b: but look at the sales
non sequitur
titiklabingapat
Member
The saying that a wounded and cornered man/buffalo/lion/etc. seems fitting. Though 360/Xbox fans seem to not fit this pattern(maybe they actually do play the games :lol)vicious_killer_squirrel said:
soundwave05
Member
drohne said:
Nothings changed, it's just the tables have turned.
Lots of people screamed bloody murder over the PS2's initial popularity and the fact that it's library was fairly lack luster early on as well (people only buying it for DVD playback! Dreamcast library is 10x better! etc. etc. etc.) ... and we got the same arguement from Sony fanboys then "well look at the sales".
/end discussion.
That's GAF, always has been, always will be. I love how people act like this is some kind of new thing, as if half this board didn't bust a nut when the PSP initially was outselling the DS.
RiskyChris
Banned
drohne said:
What does it matter what Nintendo fans say when the first 3 statements are completely ignorant? (Wii is doomed, no games, crappy controller)
drohne said:
Hey if fanboys want to talk about nothing but sales then what is the problem? People who are stupid enough to blindly follow systems based on brand name alone are also too stupid to come up with consistently logical arguments to support their systems. It happens on all sides of the tree. You are constantly expressing your displeasure for stupid Nintendo fanboys. Seriously man what the **** do you expect?
Kobun Heat
Member
Because no matter how rosy a future someone painted for Sony between 1994 and 2005, it turned out to be true.drohne said:
Grampa Simpson
Banned
fixd.drohne said:
titiklabingapat
Member
:lolAniHawk said:
I see what you did therw.
I forgot to add the '...is most dangerous' part of that old timey ssying.
Anyway, no thread yet about CliffyB's older brother being such a whiny little bitch at the Wii yet?
soundwave05
Member
bmf said:
QFT.
PhoenixDark
Banned
AniHawk said:
Are you sure they didn't move to the PS3? They seem to have a good nose for smelling success
Eteric Rice
Member
AniHawk said:
Kind of surprising. I've seen worse threads remain unlocked. I would have enjoyed seeing that discussion go on. :/
Eteric Rice
Member
AniHawk said:
Eh, I just found it interesting.
I found the Soul Calibur 4 thread much, much worse.
Eteric Rice
Member
I don't get the controller thing, really. Mine works fine. Most of the problems I've ever seen with games are due to the developers, not the controller itself.
-ImaginaryInsider
Member
RiskyChris said:
And I'm not disagreeing with that. It's very obvious that the Wii is going to get a lot more support than it currently has...but sometimes that point seems to wander into all your games are belong to us territory, and then gets retracted, but with a "Well of course not, except yes completely".
Eteric Rice
Member
I read the opening post. It still sounded pretty retarded either way.
Satter said:
I believe Nintendo is ,selling but it's unprecedented that there is such a huge shortage that your average consumer can't even find one in a store more than 6 months after a launch.
If I only had to rely on what can be found in stores I'd have to conclude that the WII is a phantom product that doesn't exist. My beef is that there is a huge demand and Nintendo either didn't make enough, is holding back to create hype or they are waiting for the cost to manufacture to come down even more before they increase production.
The 1st 4 month sales figures show the WII selling only 300,000 more units more than the Dreamcast. DC was easily found on day one, SEGA could supply the demand, while Nintendo can only sell 20% more than the Dreamcast and turn away many customers, the problem is how long will it take for WII to become available to the average consumer? Another 6 months?. Turning away customers can be bad, they may just move on to other
platforms or just keep playing their ps2 or cubes.
titiklabingapat
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It's fine. You and I participating in the same thread is almost the same feelingAmir0x said:
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