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[Solo]

My only complaint about him was how he went flabby in 2 and 3.

Yeah, my 2 superficial complaints are
- Tobey stopped working out after 1
- Kirsten stopped wearing a bra and looked stoned as fuck after 1

 

[WrikaWrek]

*brofist*

Tobey was still the best thing about S-M3, too. It takes some brass balls to put yourself out there without restraint and do stuff like Saturday Night Parker.

He was basically the only good thing about it.

I think Garfield will be able to pull of Peter Parker perfectly though. My concerns are with the director....

 

[Mr. Sam]

Which ever is the better film. So we can go by Gaf opinion and RT score. I will also be honest on how I feel about both films. If CA is better I will concede and you win the bet. I'm a man of my word.

Sure. Shall we go by GAF opinion first and, if it's not clearly favourable one way or the other, the RT score? I will also concede defeat if I think Thor is a better movie.

Avatar of your choice for six months sound good?

As in, you wear an avatar of my choice for six months if you lose and I wear an avatar of your choice if I lose? Sounds good.

 

[Solo]

As in, you wear an avatar of my choice for six months if you lose and I wear an avatar of your choice if I lose? Sounds good.

Thats how it works. I've been on the winning and losing end. Winning = fuckawesome. Losing = jesus, this sucks.

 

[Mr. Sam]

Thats how it works. I've been on the winning and losing end. Winning = fuckawesome. Losing = jesus, this sucks.

Well, he's relying on Chris Hemsworth. Even though I'm dreading a Captain America trailer that reveals my deepest fears, I think I'm on the safer side of this bet.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

Sony being borderline retarded, basically. Raimi had a lot of creative control over the first two films, and what did he do? He created 2 movies that made Sony a shitton of dough and earned critical acclaim. So the logical thing to think would be that they would continue in this successful fashion for S-M3. Unfortunately, there is no logic at Sony. Driven by greed to rake in even more dough, they mandated that Raimi include Venom in S-M3 to milk the 90's comic fans. Raimi himself was asked about Venom during the making of 1 and 2 and expressed his utter disinterest in the character and his desire to only make use of the classic 60's rogues gallery. Raimi's S-M3 was to feature Vulture, but Sony overruled him and made him include Venom. Those are the facts.

Now to get into non-facts and opinions, a widely held opinion that I happen to share is that Raimi, completely unhappy with the project and Sony/Avi Arad's meddling, intentionally torpedoed the film to teach Sony a lesson (Unprofessional? Absolutely, but I can fully understand his rage after making Sony a boatload of dough on the first two films by doing it his way). Unfortunately, movie goers didn't get the hint and still made the movie a huge success. So when Sony tried to start meddling again with S-M4, Raimi left the project, followed by Maguire.

Wow insightful to say the least. I had no idea thats how bad it got.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Are we getting yet another origin story?

 

[Solo]

Are we getting yet another origin story?

No.

 

[Veidt]

Are we getting yet another origin story?

Nein.

 

[G-Fex]

Spider-man reminds you of spider-man?

That's a good thing.

 

[SephCast]

Are we getting yet another origin story?

I anxiously await the age where there are no more Superhero Origin movies, and more one-shot storylines ala James Bond movies (but not like the shitty ones).

 

[Xun]

I don't want an origin story, but surely they'll mention how he came to be Spider-Man?

 

[Talon]

I anxiously await the age where there are no more Superhero Origin movies, and more one-shot storylines ala James Bond movies (but not like the shitty ones).

It's a good thing this isn't an origin story, then.

I don't want an origin story, but surely they'll mention how he came to be Spider-Man?

He got bit by a radioactive spider.

 

[brotkasten]

That photo show's just how awesome the new flick will be.

Now that I see this photo again ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktNgVmySQ5k

 

[Zoramon089]

Are we getting yet another origin story?

No, and despite that being a good thing, people in this thread still seem to complain about it

 

[SephCast]

It's a good thing this isn't an origin story, then.

Yeah, I know, I just feel like it'll all be better for the Superhero genre. Some of Spider-man and Batman's best stories only require the basics of the character to be known.

 

[Mr. Sam]

No, and despite that being a good thing, people in this thread still seem to complain about it

People were previously complaining about having to sit through another origin story. I'm not arrogant enough to imply they're the same people but it's still quite a remarkable lose-lose situation.

 

[Xun]

It's a good thing this isn't an origin story, then.

He got bit by a radioactive spider.

I know that, but still.

I was referring more to the mechanical web-shooters.

 

[Jack Scofield]

Now to get into non-facts and opinions, a widely held opinion that I happen to share is that Raimi, completely unhappy with the project and Sony/Avi Arad's meddling, intentionally torpedoed the film to teach Sony a lesson

Dear God, how I miss the laughing smiley. I didn't realize that Spider-Man 3 had a contingent of conspiracy theorist fans. So the director intentionally created a piece of shit movie, not realizing that it just might sully his name and reputation? What an utterly moronic belief. If anything, Spider-Man 2 was the worst film in the trilogy. At least the third film didn't take itself seriously at all.

A few pages back, someone asked about newer movies with good action scenes. Maybe Scott Pilgrim vs the World? The first half of the movie is filled with jokes that fizzle, but once Scott starts fighting Evil Ex #2 and on, the action is surprisingly good and entertaining. You just have to suffer through a tortuous 45 minutes or so before you get there.

 

[Zeliard]

I actually re-watched Spider-Man 3 a few days ago and it's sort of enjoyable just how utterly goofy that movie is, especially Tobey Maguire's performance. It really did look like the cast and crew just did not give a fuck, but had a fun time not giving a fuck.

After the relatively sobering Spider-Man 2, seems like Tobey and the rest let their hair down and just goofed off. The "wild conspiracy theories" about Raimi not giving a shit wouldn't surprise me if they were legit, because SM3 is one movie that seems to have been directed in a very loose, hands-off way, with Raimi probably not demanding very many takes.

 

[DaMan121]

Thread has moved on, but my comments re: classic action scenes was more directed towards comic book movies, and I think my points were already covered by a few posters, especially about emotional investement in the characters 'heightening' the level of the action. Although, when I think of classic action scenes, I think back to 80s Jackie Chan, whoose movies weren't really character driven, classic John Woo, Speilberg in his prime, etc

 

[TheKaeptain]

Well, he's relying on Chris Hemsworth. Even though I'm dreading a Captain America trailer that reveals my deepest fears, I think I'm on the safer side of this bet.

I'm relying on Kenneth Branagh. You're relying on Joe Johnston.

 

[Blader]

No, it really was the best sequence in the movie.

Best sequence in Spider-Man 3 is the birth of Sandman.

Sony being borderline retarded, basically. Raimi had a lot of creative control over the first two films, and what did he do? He created 2 movies that made Sony a shitton of dough and earned critical acclaim. So the logical thing to think would be that they would continue in this successful fashion for S-M3. Unfortunately, there is no logic at Sony. Driven by greed to rake in even more dough, they mandated that Raimi include Venom in S-M3 to milk the 90's comic fans. Raimi himself was asked about Venom during the making of 1 and 2 and expressed his utter disinterest in the character and his desire to only make use of the classic 60's rogues gallery. Raimi's S-M3 was to feature Vulture, but Sony overruled him and made him include Venom. Those are the facts.

With patented Solo commentary. :lol

What happened was that Raimi planned to use Vulture and Sandman as the villains in 3. Avi Arad asked him to use Venom instead, because it was a character that a lot of fans liked and were looking forward to, and the Vulture would have just been Raimi indulging in his own silver age villain tastes. Raimi was initially against it because he couldn't see the humanity (i.e. actual good writing) in Venom's character, but came up with an interpretation that he believed worked for him and served the film's story.

It's true that Raimi had one plan for the story and he was persuaded to a somewhat different version. But the idea that a collective of diabolical studio execs creatively raped Raimi and forced him into doing something he resisted every step of the way is total hyperbole. And the bottom line is, even without Venom, Raimi's version of Spider-Man 3 would have been pretty similar to the one that was actually made. The same themes, same story arcs, same amnesia, same Sandman-kills-Uncle-Ben subplot. On paper, Venom actually works pretty well with the story Raimi himself conceived.

Now to get into non-facts and opinions, a widely held opinion that I happen to share is that Raimi, completely unhappy with the project and Sony/Avi Arad's meddling, intentionally torpedoed the film to teach Sony a lesson (Unprofessional? Absolutely, but I can fully understand his rage after making Sony a boatload of dough on the first two films by doing it his way). Unfortunately, movie goers didn't get the hint and still made the movie a huge success. So when Sony tried to start meddling again with S-M4, Raimi left the project, followed by Maguire.

I never liked this sentiment because:

a) It completely flies in the face of everything Raimi said and did prior to and after SM3 came out. No one works themselves to the bone on a project that they're intentionally fucking up.

b) If Raimi was trying to tell Sony to fuck off, he wouldn't have lobbied to do a fourth movie.

c) It *screams* denial, as if it's impossible to believe that Raimi couldn't seriously churn out a movie like SM3, and that it had to be a joke.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

I won't lie that a part of me exists that hopes S-M 2012 flops miserably and Sony comes back to Raimi and Tobey, throws mountains of cash at them, and gives Raimi full creative control and final cut.

Cosigned. I also don't get the Tobey hate. He was perfect as Parker. As Spidey the only thing missing was the constant quips.

 

[J2 Cool]

- Kirsten stopped wearing a bra and looked stoned as fuck after 1

Yep. SM1 was the best she looked in her career.

 

[ezekial45]

EDIT: This is the costume worn by stunt men, and not the actual one.

Wha?

 

[Lionel Mandrake]

the?

 

[Veidt]

fuck

 

[TheKaeptain]

Eyes are round and still small...

 

[WJD]

Oh lord that's ugly. Maybe it's a prototype? We can hope.

 

[beelzebozo]

slashfilm

I’m really curious to see what reactions this photo will elicit. Here’s a new, pretty close-up look at the Spider-Man suit from Marc Webb‘s currently in-progress Spider-Man. Before we go any farther, note that this is most likely a suit specifically made for stunt work, and not the final, detailed ‘hero’ suit. Just compare and contrast with the first official still from Sony and you can see that there are notable differences.

That said, this is our first good look at any version of the mask, and you can also clearly see the web-shooters that caused a stir when the first photo showed up. . .

Compare this with the official still below, and even taking the darker lighting of the official still into account you can see that the colors of the suit here are brighter than the ‘hero’ suit — after post-production, the suit probably won’t look that bright. You’ve got some sort of visible soles on his feet (makes me think of the fake feet Chris Evans wore for running shots in Captain America) and a general reduction of detail compared to the final suit.

But you can also see the very classic-looking mask (don’t expect the final eyes to actually be red), and the silver disc web-shooters.

 

[TheKaeptain]

Bad lighting.

 

[ezekial45]

slashfilm

Oh thank god.

 

[Gui_PT]

Edit: Phew

 

[daemonic]

Shadows look good

 

[Zabka]

It seems weird to write, but without that red belt around the waist he just looks like some pervert in a flashy gimp suit.

 

[Bob White]

Yeah, my 2 superficial complaints are
- Tobey stopped working out after 1
- Kirsten stopped wearing a bra and looked stoned as fuck after 1

I read the Kirsten bit hearing his voice and just had a good laugh. Damn he's so awesome.

 

[kittens]

- Kirsten stopped wearing a bra and looked stoned as fuck after 1

You say it as if it's a bad thing! I could go without the stoned look, though.

 

[Poyunch]

Yeah without anything on the waist, the suit gives me a "happy trail" vibe. :lol

And the suit definitely feels more Scarlet Spider-ish.

 

[Mr. Sam]

I'm relying on Kenneth Branagh. You're relying on Joe Johnston.

Blast! Foiled again.

EDIT: This is the costume worn by stunt men, and not the actual one.

http://bitcast-a-sm.bitgravity.com/slashfilm/wp/wp-content/images/spider-man-575-550x523.jpg[img]
Wha?[/quote]

I laughed surprisingly hard. Then again, I've had a few.

 

[rikichi]

nice to see spidey wearing womans flats for a change.

 

[mrkgoo]

I don't mind small eyes. I would like them to go more traditional for the design, though. Oh well.

 

[WJD]

This doesn't look like a stunt suit and also looks suspiciously like the picture above.

There best be some good cinematographers working on this.

 

[jett]

Looks kinda interesting with all the wavy lines. I think it will look really nice in motion under proper lighting conditions. Love the promotional photo.

 

[jts]

Nice coat, man. It always felt wrong to see Spider-man wandering around in spandex without catching a cold, but I can see that Webb is going for a more realistic approach.

 

[Router]

Thur suit gets weirder and weirder. I kinda like it though. Seems a bit over designed though. The metal parts on the boots are strange. Wonder of they have a purpose or are just for looks?

 

[smokeymicpot]

That is a pretty cool suit odd but cool. I want a Spider-man costume.

 

[Ridley327]

Thur suit gets weirder and weirder. I kinda like it though. Seems a bit over designed though. The metal parts on the boots are strange. Wonder of they have a purpose or are just for looks?

If it's a stunt man, then those are there to protect his feet from injury. I'd be really, really surprised to see them on the glamor shots of the suit.

 

[evil ways]

That red streak on the side of his leg looks ridiculous, like a jogging track suit.

 

[G-Fex]

Spider-man = james brown?