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Android Hardware Thread - 2010 Edition

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brotkasten said:
Took them only a year. ;)
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Well I guess to be fair... Microsoft hasn't done anything so Google and MS are entering about the same time. The only real threat they see if the iPad of which is basically a giant iPod/iPhone w/o the phone bit.
 
kaching said:
I dunno, felt like it pulled its punches when it came to the Ten Commandments.
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Steve_Jobs__The_Tablets.jpg
 
Pctx said:
Well I guess to be fair... Microsoft hasn't done anything so Google and MS are entering about the same time. The only real threat they see if the iPad of which is basically a giant iPod/iPhone w/o the phone bit.
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No, it actually isn't it. Such a tired misconception.
 
Pctx said:
Well I guess to be fair... Microsoft hasn't done anything so Google and MS are entering about the same time. The only real threat they see if the iPad of which is basically a giant iPod/iPhone w/o the phone bit.
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I used to laugh at the iPad, but after using my mom's for a while, I can see its appeal. I just wonder how a tablet running Honeycomb can do better than the iPad. Android already has the disadvantage of a weaker app store than Apple. Still looking forward to this new tablet though.
 
giga said:
No, it actually isn't it. Such a tired misconception.
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Moto propaganda =/= tired misconception.

JCX said:
I used to laugh at the iPad, but after using my mom's for a while, I can see its appeal. I just wonder how a tablet running Honeycomb can do better than the iPad. Android already has the disadvantage of a weaker app store than Apple. Still looking forward to this new tablet though.
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Honeycomb has to get file management right. If it can do this, then Google will have bested the competition.
 
MCX said:
Is Andrex permabanned? Who's going to take the initiative to make a 2011 edition?
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I am. Thread is coming later this week. :D

BTW, he's not permed but ain't coming back before the 2nd or 3rd half of 2011
 
giga said:
No, it actually isn't it. Such a tired misconception.
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Can you elaborate on how it's note? Much like Samsung tailored Android for the Tab, it runs and looks the same but some apps are simply dual paned. What are people getting wrong?
 
I thought Andrex kinda sorta fell off the Android bandwagon, seems to be cheerleading ChromeOS instead these days.

SimleuqiR said:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_I385ex0Tfbc/S2GjdCg6AgI/AAAAAAAAES8/kf3YRy7g0fk/s320/Steve_Jobs__The_Tablets.jpg
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Damn, you're fast!
 
Pctx said:
I am. Thread is coming later this week. :D

BTW, he's not permed but ain't coming back before the 2nd or 3rd half of 2011
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3rd half?
 
Calling the iPad a giant iPod Touch isn't a "misconception", it's a pretty accurate summary. It doesn't have to be taken as a bad thing, either.
 
jonnybryce said:
Can you elaborate on how it's note? Much like Samsung tailored Android for the Tab, it runs and looks the same but some apps are simply dual paned. What are people getting wrong?
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Because only part of the software on the Tab are actually recreated for the larger screen. It’s why Google stated that Froyo isn’t optimized for tablets. (And what Honeycomb aims to solve)

iOS for iPad was entirely fleshed out for the larger resolution and display. It wasn’t just about having a master-detail view in Mail but flatter hierarchies throughout the entire interface with UI concepts such as popovers and contextual inspectors.

http://mattgemmell.com/2010/03/05/ipad-application-design
http://developer.apple.com/library/....html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40006556-CH10-SW4
 
Giga, calling it an iPod Touch with a bigger screen doesn't preclude acknowledgement that the bigger screen enables different UI patterns. Not unlike saying the latest gen iPod Touch with a faster processor and more storage enables more graphically complex games than a first gen iPod Touch.
 
kaching said:
Giga, calling it an iPod Touch with a bigger screen doesn't preclude acknowledgement that the bigger screen enables different UI patterns. Not unlike saying the latest gen iPod Touch with a faster processor and more storage enables more graphically complex games than a first gen iPod Touch.
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If that was the intention, then my apologies. But Motorola seemed to use it in a negative connotation in that video, where they proclaimed the iPad and Tab both are basically “giant” phones.
 
kaching said:
Giga, calling it an iPod Touch with a bigger screen doesn't preclude acknowledgement that the bigger screen enables different UI patterns. Not unlike saying the latest gen iPod Touch with a faster processor and more storage enables more graphically complex games than a first gen iPod Touch.
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or that Android phones with hardware keyboards enable different UI designs from Android phones with only software keyboards.

If Google really is using Bumptop to form the basic paradigm of their Android tablets then it'll be something a lot more than just a 'big smartphone'.
 
giga said:
If that was the intention, then my apologies. But Motorola seemed to use it in a negative connotation in that video, where they proclaimed the iPad and Tab both are basically “giant” phones.
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I think the intention of the video that's criticizing the Ten Commandments for not being editable is tongue-in-cheek, first and foremost. ;)
 
brotkasten said:
lul, wut? :lol

But it's nice to see that this vaporware chip is finally coming out.
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Pctx said:
Nope. Plus, this makes sense as to why Intel is moving into the tablet and smartphone market next year.
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Earlier in the year a bunch of shmucks on GAF were incessant that Nvidia was done for, they would fold and all other kinds of BS.
 
Angelus Errare said:
Earlier in the year a bunch of shmucks on GAF were incessant that Nvidia was done for, they would fold and all other kinds of BS.
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Last time I checked they were bigger than AMD. No way that Nvidia is 'done for'. At least not anytime soon.
 
Angelus Errare said:
Earlier in the year a bunch of shmucks on GAF were incessant that Nvidia was done for, they would fold and all other kinds of BS.
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Well there was a problem (I think 2 gen's ago) with their chipsets in the mobile market of which they were having failing units in which I think that hit one of their "refresh" 9800GTX lines in which the Nvidia stock took a dump.

Right now though they are pushing forward with some pretty awesome stuff in the mobile marketplace of which includes the Tegra 2 chipsets.

The new thread I'm making will have a breakdown of the chipsets (Q4 2010) and chipsets planned for 2011 and what they mean in terms of performance and power consumption.

Right now, everyone is buzzing about the Tegra 2 because it brings a whole lot of kick ass to the table while lowering overall power consumption which on mobile phones, is a pretty big deal.

The reason Intel is so keen on keeping Nvidia out of the mobile market is because they want them to stay a GPU company and not become a "CPU" competitor to it's own chips.
 
is there an android device right now that aside from rooting and installing some "superfastnolagvoodoowhodo" rom, has the "smoothness" of the ios? i currently have a fascinate with launcher pro on it, and while its fairly smooth..it doesnt even feel as smooth as my last generation ipod touch..i also got to play with a nexus s the other day and still while a bit smoother than my fascinate, it still managed to have a few hiccups navigating through the different screens, etc.. will the Tegra 2 devices fix this? or is it because android is becoming a more robust os, hardware will always have a hard time delivering a seemless navigation/operation experience?
 
Acer going hard with tablets:

Q: The sales performance of iPad is outstanding and Samsung Electronics has launched tablet PCs and additionally been competing with Acer in notebooks, smartphones, etc., what is your view of such a trend?

A: While iPad has gained successful sales performance and good market response, Apple is centered around the US market with a significant leading status, but its competitive strength may not play out in emerging and other markets, this is the opportunity for Acer. Sales of iPad pushed forward very fast initially, but have slowed down in the past few weeks. Samsung is a main rival and will continue to be so. Samsung used to focus on consumer electronics, and its entry into the PC market entailed significant adjustments in its supply chain, inventory management and retail channels. This is the basic difference between Samsung and Acer, and Acer has advantages in PC operational experience and our channel network.

Q: Will the brand competition with Samsung influence Acer's strategies for component procurement?

A: Of course. Faced with such a rival, Acer has to factor in many considerations in an attempt to prevent Samsung from obtaining advantages.
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Also:
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f0nz0 said:
is there an android device right now that aside from rooting and installing some "superfastnolagvoodoowhodo" rom, has the "smoothness" of the ios? i currently have a fascinate with launcher pro on it, and while its fairly smooth..it doesnt even feel as smooth as my last generation ipod touch..i also got to play with a nexus s the other day and still while a bit smoother than my fascinate, it still managed to have a few hiccups navigating through the different screens, etc.. will the Tegra 2 devices fix this? or is it because android is becoming a more robust os, hardware will always have a hard time delivering a seemless navigation/operation experience?
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I think it has to do with Google not giving a fuck about polish + I remember reading discussions about this that ended up attributing it to lack of hardware acceleration. Honestly if you find pretty or super smooth desirable than Android isn't the os for you. The smoothness doesn't bother me but the "good-enough;gets-the-job-done" mentality of the os does.
 
brotkasten said:
Last time I checked they were bigger than AMD. No way that Nvidia is 'done for'. At least not anytime soon.
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Then you must have been checking it very long time ago. AMD is way bigger than Nvidia, and it's not surprise when you consider they have a vital CPUs branch. AMD is roughly twice as big as Nvidia, last quarter revenue was 1.62 bln USD for AMD and 844 mln USD for Nvidia. AMD also beats Nvidia in GPU shipmeant through the difference is minimal and both companies are almost equal in GPU department.

I do think that Nvidia position isn't safe right now. The integration AMD and Intel do around x86 processors is a threat to Nvidia. They already lost chipset market and it will be extremally hard for them to compete in integretad graphics market with Intel Sandy Bridges and soon to be released AMD APUs. If Llano is succesful they may even lose big portion of mid-end market, especially on ever growing mobile market as I don't see Nvidia discrete graphics competing with AMD APUs on power consumption front.
 
Arucardo said:
Ordered a Desire HD, couldn't pass up on the deal :D 2eur a month for unlimited bandwidth with unlimited speed.
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Good choice. I can also recommend the HTC SP P430 Screen protector for it (Amazon).

Love this phone and Froyo.
 
jonnybryce said:
I think it has to do with Google not giving a fuck about polish + I remember reading discussions about this that ended up attributing it to lack of hardware acceleration.
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Using the Nexus 1 is a pretty smooth experience, IMO. It can get bogged down, but that's due to occasional memory issues from the mix of apps you're running. No different than what I've run into with the iPhone over the years as well.

And Gingerbread starts to introduce some hardware acceleration, doesn't it? With Honeycomb introducing more. Nexus S certainly runs smooth, based on the time I've had with it.
 
Nexus S looks to be the smoothest phone out ATM.

Also, the Android browsers may not be as smooth with the pinch, but there's less checkering than in mobile safari. Not that either is an issue.
 
kaching said:
And Gingerbread starts to introduce some hardware acceleration, doesn't it? With Honeycomb introducing more. Nexus S certainly runs smooth, based on the time I've had with it.
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I thought I read that Gingerbread has GPU acceleration, which should help to smooth out a lot of animations.

I think when we get Honeycomb and the new set of chips as standard, there will be negligible issues with smoothness to even the most ardent detractor.
 
Anyone know if Sprint is getting any Android phone sub 4.3 inches without a keyboard anytime soon?

Something like the Galaxy S, or some sort of HTC 3.7-4 inch phone?
 
AndyD said:
Anyone know if Sprint is getting any Android phone sub 4.3 inches without a keyboard anytime soon?

Something like the Galaxy S, or some sort of HTC 3.7-4 inch phone?
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Not any that are known right now. Closest would be the HTC EVO Shift 4G, which will be out soon, is 3.7 inches, but does have a keyboard.
 
GatorBait said:
I thought I read that Gingerbread has GPU acceleration, which should help to smooth out a lot of animations.

I think when we get Honeycomb and the new set of chips as standard, there will be negligible issues with smoothness to even the most ardent detractor.
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i believe gingerbread has SOME acceleration, but not a lot.

Its pretty clear that the Tegra 2 is the reference model for honycomb, i wonder if they will release a "nexus" phone for it
 
gcubed said:
i believe gingerbread has SOME acceleration, but not a lot.

Its pretty clear that the Tegra 2 is the reference model for honycomb, i wonder if they will release a "nexus" phone for it
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I sure hope so!!! We I need a true Nexus Two phone.
 
gcubed said:
i believe gingerbread has SOME acceleration, but not a lot.

Its pretty clear that the Tegra 2 is the reference model for honycomb, i wonder if they will release a "nexus" phone for it
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I doubt they would put out a new Nexus before next Xmas. Otherwise they would canibalize the S so soon after release.
 
Donos said:
Good choice. I can also recommend the HTC SP P430 Screen protector for it (Amazon).

Love this phone and Froyo.
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Yeah, def. getting a screen protector and probably a case for it too, any recommendations for a case/sleeve?
 
AndyD said:
I doubt they would put out a new Nexus before next Xmas. Otherwise they would canibalize the S so soon after release.
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its their own damn fault for putting out their "elite" phone a few weeks before most other phones that will embarrass it get announced. Stupid timing and bad hardware choice IMO.

If the Moto Tegra 2 phone does indeed hit ATT by the end of January it will have been a colossally bad idea on Google's part.
 
gcubed said:
its their own damn fault for putting out their "elite" phone a few weeks before most other phones that will embarrass it get announced. Stupid timing and bad hardware choice IMO.

If the Moto Tegra 2 phone does indeed hit ATT by the end of January it will have been a colossally bad idea on Google's part.
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It wouldn't say it's a colossal mistake. But a mistake non the less.
 
why does a timeline even matter? It should be a feature of a phone regardless of timeline. Each brand would do well to have a version of the Nexus phone. Moto needs one
 
gcubed said:
why does a timeline even matter? It should be a feature of a phone regardless of timeline. Each brand would do well to have a version of the Nexus phone. Moto needs one
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I wouldn't be surprised if they get the Nexus name for tablets.
 
gcubed said:
its their own damn fault for putting out their "elite" phone a few weeks before most other phones that will embarrass it get announced. Stupid timing and bad hardware choice IMO.

If the Moto Tegra 2 phone does indeed hit ATT by the end of January it will have been a colossally bad idea on Google's part.
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If the iPhone comes to Verizon in January, AT&T is going to need everything it can take to keep people. I'll be sticking with AT&T just for the Olympus phone.
 
Pctx said:
If the iPhone comes to Verizon in January, AT&T is going to need everything it can take to keep people. I'll be sticking with AT&T just for the Olympus phone.
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I thought the Olympus was going to be larger than a phone, like a mini tablet, and the Terminator phones would be smaller and similar to the Galaxy series, 3.7-4 inches with Tegra 2 and Gingerbread.
 
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