That's article is about Windows 8 not WP8 and the only valid point in it is how metro UI isn't good for non-touch devices, which I agree with. But nothing about WP8, which is an OS for touchscreen phones.
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That's article is about Windows 8 not WP8 and the only valid point in it is how metro UI isn't good for non-touch devices, which I agree with. But nothing about WP8, which is an OS for touchscreen phones.
dragonelite
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This is a designer worth its dam?
Anton Sugar
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Guess we're not going to agree on this, because I actually really like outlook.com.
I'd argue against this sense of "class" that Apple has. So would co.design:
Can We Please Move Past Apple’s Silly, Faux-Real UIs?
Will Apple’s Tacky Software-Design Philosophy Cause A Revolt?
From one of their older articles on WP7:
Two things:
1. Windows 8 =/= Windows Phone 8
2. I thought we were basing this off of designers, not tech bloggers/reviews? Because I can find a shit ton of reviews praising WP's UI/design language.
Two different teams handle Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8. It's obvious the Windows Phone team has done a better job overall, so let's leave Windows 8 out of it.
You do realize he's specifically talking about Win8?
I thought we were still talking about WP8, and the sentences where he brushes WP I'd interpret as rather positive?
The gripes he has seem reasonable, but they concern Win8, and don't really transfer over to WP. And he also doesn't complain about the looks, like you seem to.
You know what I've noticed since getting the iPhone 4 about a week ago? I vastly prefer the holo design language introduced in ICS to the design language of iPhone apps. A good holo app looks WAY prettier than a similar iPhone app (IMO, obviously).
I really love the metro design of Windows Phone apps, but I think I prefer holo functionality wise.
Example:
God, those fucking gradients. Terrible.
Anton Sugar
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Gradients, for the most part, need to die.
You know, I vastly prefer Metro to the other design languages, but it does seem like it wastes a lot of space compared to holo/iOS, especially on big phones.
Now for the most part, that's ok because it just does away with unnecessary stuff, but sometimes designers might have to take a closer look at a middle ground.
But they trick me into thinking things are 3D!
poppabk
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When it comes to using it in a desktop, it really does feel cobbled together. When the metro screen pops up it is just a jarring transition.
It's also a shit metaphor, because it's not the way Win 8 came about. It's more like trying to put the body of a streamlined Ferrari on a 20 year old chassis. Well, that metaphor still sucks, but it's really not like the pieces of the Win8 design are like something made by a kid. Metro itself is really well thought out. It just wasn't perfectly put on a PC, mostly because of legacy software and bigger screens.
But that's for another thread...
If Evernote ever got rid of their gradientastic icon, I'd start using it over Springpad.
ghostofsparta
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Android has had free streaming for a while now.
but it's growing
also on AT&T you can just as easliy pay with your phone bill account from your phone. Nokia has some of the worlds best arrangements with phone carriers to do direct billing for apps.
"[citations needed]" wasn't an argument but it sure did give mescalineeyes enough rope to hang himself. I was sharpening my knives, sadly, for a go at that post but was beaten to the punch by too many other gaffers haha.
That said, I'm genuinely eager to read critiques of WP from 'designers worth a damn'. One such critique I'd easily link to off the top my head would be by Edward Tufte but
- He doesn't attack Metro for any of the reasons that mescalineeyes does
- It was written based on his impressions of screenshots from an SDK months before the first WP was even released
- It's clearly outdated with some of the links used to buttress his comparisons of iOS and WP e.g. then and now
Oh well, it's hard sometimes getting a reasonable discussion going on GAF...
Easily. iOS is stuck far behind aesthetically and they don't want to let go. Just looks cheap and not clean at all.
My dad finds the Android design language much easier on his eyes than the iPhone UI. I feel like for some reason they've kept it to make stuff obvious for old folk and kids, but now I don't think it's as effective.
HollovVpo1nt
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I have a feeling iOS will get a major overhaul next year. The minor updates is from 5.x to 6 might indicate they are working on something bigger.
mescalineeyes
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Well yeah that link I posted sure wasn't illustrating any of my points, I agree.
And again, I am not bashing WP8 on it's functionality, because I actually quite like the way it works. I just think it looks outdated, and you'd be foolish to design a site that looked anything remotely like it.
I think if you go to http://dribbble.com/tags/ui and take a look at the designs being made, you'll find that the style that Windows Phone 7 has pioneered is certainly influencing designers, but it has long been improved upon and surpassed. So when I said "no designer worth a damn", that's what I meant. I didn't see anyone say anything like that on the internet.
So no, I don't think it's as enticing to designers to be on WP8 as it is to be on iOS. Metro is easy and lazy. (And dated.)
Any designer worth his salt is all over all sorts of gradients.
Damon Bennet
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I'd like to see a better looking UI that is not as dated. pls.
There's zero doubt Black Ops II will outsell everything this year, what's your point?
Anton Sugar
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I keep hearing "any GOOD designer knows..." without getting any concrete examples.
BO2 is not a platform that apps get developed for.
brotkasten
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However it is a product, that many people are fond of.
Either way, your argument that sales and "ads" always being indicative of quality is still heavily flawed.
Would love to hear your argument for PC's and Macs.
Nevermind, I rather not.
Mac has over 90% marketshare in the PC's over $1000 category.
But is the inferior product, because PC's shit on them in market share and sell more, amarite?
Funny how you threw that, "PC's over $1000" tidbit in there only because it was convenient to your argument.
Even so, your numbers mean nothing.
Regardless of whatever discussion you were in when you posted this, does number this somehow count people who build their own PCs?
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
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Has any phone display surpassed the one x screen? I compared a iPhone 5 and galaxy s 3 screen to it and it was absolutely lol worthy. One x has the best screen I have ever seen on a phone.
It doesn't. He should probably back this claim while he's at it.
Anton Sugar
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There was a post on the last page with an article that raved about the iPhone 5's screen, and the 920 is supposed to have a great screen as well. Looking forward to comparisons in October!
Samsung has 100% market share for phones sold by the name Galaxy S III!!!
http://www.businessinsider.com/appl...ium-computer-market-research-firm-says-2009-7
Since 2009, Apple PC marketshare has been constantly increasing at a higher rate than Windows PC marketshare, so connect the dots. Reasing PC's sell more overall is because there are no $400-500 Macs.
A Simple argument from a simple man. Black Ops selling more doesn't mean it's higher quality, and neither does iPhones selling more mean they are higher quality than other phones. However, what it means is apps will be developed for iOS first and everyone else will continue to get sloppy seconds. Therefore I will and can state that iOS apps are better quality than apps for other platforms.
That it'll never have more market share? Ok.
Maximizing profit > Maximizing marketshare. PC makers aren't making any money from their PC business but Apple is. My friend's company offers their employees the choice between a macbook pro or a PC. 9 out of 10 choose the macbook pro. If money was no object, most people would get a Mac.
However we're getting off topic here. The only reason I brought iphone sales up is because of app support and how Apple is always guaranteed to get the first pick in app development.
This isn't what you said before, it was some dumb garbage like, "DOES ANY NOTICE HOW EVERY SINGLE AD EVER IS NEVER DIRECTED TOWARDS ANYONE BUT APPLE!!!".
Then you went on to say something about them being kings or something. Sloppy seconds? Some apps look and are better on Android, and some look and are better on iOS. And what Apps will an Android user be missing out on exactly, if an App isn't released simultaneously on both platforms, it's eventually released anyways.
This is almost as bad as the, "Android UI isn't fast or smooth at all", arguments.
If sloppy seconds mean that there's a 50/50 chance you'll get the better version of the App, then I'm sure many will be fine with that.
LOL, most apps NEVER make it to Android, especially games. Where is your Infinity Blade Android? You can also count the number of times the android app is better by hand. I'm talking about real functional differences not someone's aesthetic tastes of whether buttons should be round or shaded. When you focus on the functionality and performance of apps, iOS is the clear winner.
Do you think the average consumer cares who is making profit?
I guess if everyone is rich, Apple products would be the only products bought on the market. If money is indeed the ONLY barrier like you're implying. I'm sure your friends work is a barometer for the rest of the world.
Millions and millions people can live with Infinity Blade, Androids gaming library is MORE than enough for mostly all of the people who use it. It's not that hard to find a quick accessible game to play while in a line.
I'm waiting for you to actually name some big, like a gamechanger.
For example, something PS3 doesn't have crossgame chat and 360, big. Or PSN+ free games, XBL not free games big. Not one measly game. I'm not even looking for you to name many apps, just something that validates your point.
Well; I never.
It was widely touted by many tech blogs as the best mobile screen ever, in fact, I think the Verge said exactly that about the One X.
Yet you cannot find one single site that actually compares the OneX screen to the new iPhone. I would expect the iP5 to have the better screen. 6 months is an eternity in the mobile tech market, its half a generation, but its odd that every place was quick to compare the screen of the S3 to the iP5, but noone puts the gorgeous vivid LCD2 tech of HTC's flagship against it.
poppabk
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"The bottom line: Apple's iPhone is blowing the doors off. But Apple's Mac business--its biggest business--is not."
from the link in the article you posted.
How is apple doing in the sub $1000 market?
Yeah, I liked early 2010 also.
Glad consumers can find something that can satisfy them for under $1000
It's not that hard.
I love the Macbook Pro though, it's personally, my favorite Apple Product and I'd say it's their best one. The Retina display one is godly. I wish it wasn't for that ridiculous price though.
Does anyone have iPhone 5 sales numbers?
brotkasten
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Quality apps are still missing on Android tablets, aren't they? Or did Flipboard finally port the tablet layout over?
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