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Android, iOS, WP8 phone debate thread
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And you'd be wrong. You might not be a smartphone gamer but many people are, and iOS is head and shoulders above the rest when it comes to that. If mobile gaming is important to you (and don't want to carry two things with you), you but an iOS device.
I think he was taking a crack at the quality of phone games, not the quantity.
The Faceless Master
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i can't believe the last page of discussion.
all i gotta say is since .. uhh, when did ICQ release? anyway, since then, i did the same thing in all IM clients. always set as available, disable any auto-idle/away/busy/etc... and respond if and when i want to... people figure that shit out pretty quickly that i respond when i can and/or want to respond.
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all i gotta say is since .. uhh, when did ICQ release? anyway, since then, i did the same thing in all IM clients. always set as available, disable any auto-idle/away/busy/etc... and respond if and when i want to... people figure that shit out pretty quickly that i respond when i can and/or want to respond.
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Before you enter this discussion:
1. How often does your mom call you?
2. How do you deal with it?
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Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
WHAT was going on with that last page? FaceTime is superior to Skype/Gtalk because mothers can't be offended by an unresponsive online indicator? Aside from the fact that until recently it didn't even work if not on Wifi, and still only works on Apple devices. THE MIND BOGGLES.
Who randomly video calls someone unannounced anyway?
Who randomly video calls someone unannounced anyway?
Yeah and for some reason social protocols state that it is acceptable to ignore iMessages. However, if you're on GTalk, it means you have to answer your messages else you are disrespecting your mother.
First is not a valid criticism, many Apps like Android were not available for Android until recently and JB, which is said to be the only smooth Android OS, is only available for very few devices. Only working on Apple devices ensures that you have a decent experience when using it. Facetime still has better video/audio quality than anything else.
We do it with the wife all the time.
1. Apps such as Instagram are new to Android, just like facetime over cellular is new to iOS.
2. JB is not officially available for most Android devices and not being used, chart is october 2012:
3. ICS is not smooth as iOS and WP, that's a fact that doesn't need explaining, you can't even scroll down web pages smoothly.
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
What on earth does Jelly Bean's uptake have to do with Facetime and video calling? (sorry, just saw update)
I'm saying Facetime is a totally proprietary and closed technology. I'm not saying that's bad in and of itself, but that it's completely useless if you don't use an Apple device. So it's not 'better' if the person you need to talk to doesn't have an iPhone/iPad/Mac. At least Skype/Gtalk etc are cross platform.
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
I think he meant Instagram. Still not sure what that has to do with Facetime
I see lol, replace the first Android with Instagram.
True, Facetime is not cross platform. But it's a better alternative to any other program when available, and when the other side doesn't have an Apple device, iOS also has Skype and Google Hangouts. Overall this makes iOS better for video calling as it doesn't lack anything for multiplatform, and offers a much better experience for apple users with Facetime.
I've been Android-curious for a while and yesterday I got to play with a SG3 for about an hour and I liked it.
I'm currently on an iPhone 4. I like iOS and I'm waiting for the 5 to be released in my country to upgrade. I'm not super excited about it: it's more a matter of needing a new smartphone since my 4 is pretty battered up. And I have no idea when the 5 will be available here.
However, since my contract is over, I could walk into a store today, renew it for 2 years an get a SGIII. Today. It's really tempting. It's basically the app ecosystem that's holding me back: I've been using iOS for over 4 years and I've spent like $400 on apps.
The SG3 runs ICS with that Touchwiz thing on top, right? How easy is it to run stock JB on it?
I'm currently on an iPhone 4. I like iOS and I'm waiting for the 5 to be released in my country to upgrade. I'm not super excited about it: it's more a matter of needing a new smartphone since my 4 is pretty battered up. And I have no idea when the 5 will be available here.
However, since my contract is over, I could walk into a store today, renew it for 2 years an get a SGIII. Today. It's really tempting. It's basically the app ecosystem that's holding me back: I've been using iOS for over 4 years and I've spent like $400 on apps.
The SG3 runs ICS with that Touchwiz thing on top, right? How easy is it to run stock JB on it?
Are you remotely computer literate? Know how to operate a couple of command lines (not even really needed)? If yes to all, then it's relatively easy.
If you have an ipad, the app lockdown doesn't really matter.
This is simply not true. Web browsing is pretty much lag free on ICS, and that's even with flash ads and videos loaded in too.
Not an iPhone 5, but speed of scrolling in iOS has always been pretty smooth. Browsing scroll comparisons around the 4min mark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UUEkzgUeiM
Cool.
Now, there are serveral custom ROMs for Android out there like CyanogenMOD and Paranoid Android. Anyone have experience with them? Are they preferable to stock JB?
I don't own an iPad. My iPhone is my only Apple device.
Cool.
Now, there are serveral custom ROMs for Android out there like CyanogenMOD and Paranoid Android. Anyone have experience with them? Are they preferable to stock JB?
I don't own an iPad. My iPhone is my only Apple device.
Get a Nexus if you want stock. Should be a new one announced next month according to rumors. Those custom ROMs rarely ever work 100% as well as stock.
Cool.
Now, there are serveral custom ROMs for Android out there like CyanogenMOD and Paranoid Android. Anyone have experience with them? Are they preferable to stock JB?
I don't own an iPad. My iPhone is my only Apple device.
For simplicity, CM10 works fine. What the customs usually do at the minimum is clean up the bloatware and generally optimize the hardware settings for a better performance. There will be the occasional bug though, so keep an eye out and prioritize what's important for your daily use. Usually with the more prominent customs the things that have issues are relatively minor utilities like wifi-calling and the occasional phone echo; again, prioritize for your own usage patterns.
Stick to major revisions unless you like constant tinkering, which I don't.
I'm personally a big fan of paranoid android. One of the big things that it lets me do is shove the status/notification bar on the bottom (tablet mode), which on a phone with a big screen translates into rarely having to use the top half of the phone, which by proxy means it's easier on people with smaller hands.
Cool.
Now, there are serveral custom ROMs for Android out there like CyanogenMOD and Paranoid Android. Anyone have experience with them? Are they preferable to stock JB?
I don't own an iPad. My iPhone is my only Apple device.
You could actually minimise the hasstle and still get the best use of the phone by just simply replacing the launcher, so you use the JB version that comes with the SGIII update and just add Nova Launcher for example.
And besides, if you are coming from Iphone to Android, i don't even think you will miss/lack any features that come standard with TouchWiz.
Anton Sugar
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And it appears to be matte, too!
The funny accent guy in your own link says there's some lag in the Android. I also know from my experience that ICS performance is crap. Here's a more reputable link about ICS smoothness:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5310/samsung-galaxy-nexus-ice-cream-sandwich-review/2
LukasTaves
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How about a green one?
It indeed is over: AT&T exclusivity means that unfortunately the 920 loses.
Perhaps Samsung's Touchwiz ICS UI corrects that then. I've not used vanilla ICS so I wouldn't know. Having said that, there are options within settings to speed up the UI if you want things snappier. What I've noticed by comparing these ICS settings to my 4S for example, is not that ICS is necessarily slower, but just has longer transitions. Hence why I have my Transitions and Animations set to 0.5x instead of the default 1.0x. Just makes things a bit quicker and nipper.
LOL No. The overwhelming majority opinion on Touchwiz is that it's shit.
You consistently talk like you've never actually used an Android device, especially on the newer devices. You also completely ignored the video I posted (which has visible evidence of what we're talking about) and instead opted for a random quote from some guy who reviewed who knows which old version of ICS and is not even referring to web scrolling smoothness.
Newsflash, Touchwiz on the S3 is a big departure from old. Many aspects of it I prefer compared to Nexus's I've used in the past etc. It's quick, smooth and a bit more iPhone esque than stock ICS. I also love Samsung's unique software features, of which some are incredibly useful. So no, I'd have to disagree, TouchWiz is not shit at all. And judging by most opinions from S3 owners, I think the majority would agree. It's the reason I stayed on official rom anyway.
The delay was fixed with the update to 4.0.....3 or 4 I believe.
And that very same review of the initial ICS release, contradicts your claim of performing like, "crap".
Under par comparatively? Absolutely; but not crap.
Edit: And touchwiz being shit is more due to UI aesthetics and layout. Not performance (though there was a snafoo in regards to memory management on the S3, but has since been addressed). If anything, ICS based touchwiz is the best performing version of the OS I've seen outside of the one X.
I think you're better off defending Facetime again.
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
I'd hardly call it 'crap' - it's completely acceptable on my Xperia S.
I hate how this mobile phone wars shit has made people tune in to an OCD-level of pickiness with perceived smoothness and FPS of scrolling on their phone. It's outrageous. Why isn't the same standard adhered to for desktop OS? Why is it suddenly a bullet point? That said, CM10 JB on my rooted One XL is faster and more responsive than any iOS device I own, so they must have fixed something up after ICS.
Anyway, there's lag and jank issues on every phone OS. Setting up a prepaid SIM card on my mum's 4S yesterday with iOS 6 the phone keypad became completely unresponsive for over a minute, refusing to show the 'in call' screen (speakerphone, keypad buttons etc) and it did this 3 times. Reading XDA on our iPad 3 sometimes slows it to a crawl.
God, thos three paragraphs make me sound like a fucking nerd. Truth hurts
On the topic of Android skins - can't speak for TouchWiz, but Sense is complete rubbish, imo. Moving from that to a CM10 ROM was like night and day. It's sluggish as hell, and the multitasking is broken. I wouldn't recommend the One X to anyone.
Do you work for Apple or something? Did an Android break your heart or something?
How do you you read "Web browsing is pretty much lag free on ICS" and "ICS almost completely addresses the issue" and then come to the conclusion that the "ICS performance is crap"?
"The funny accent guy in your own link says there's some lag", so some lag = crap?
I get that you do not like Android, but it seems like you aren't really truthful or that you haven't actually used an Android.
I have to admit, yes there is some lag, even on my ICS GSIII (open a browser, and just quickly swipe up and down, and you can see the delay quite clearly) but is that crappy performance?
Sadly, I never actually use the the browser or the phone that way, just swiping like mad to see how much it lags.
But i do like to alter the icons, the names, the screens, the auto tasks, the calendar entries that can span weeks/months (reminders), change the way folders look, alter the "shortcut bar", choose my primary apps for various tasks, actually use the movie overlay thingy.
So yes, the phone is a bit laggy, and no, not as smooth as any (newer) Iphone, but then again (for me) it's much more useful.
^^ Dude look at all his replies in this thread. He'll reply to a post with something completely unrelated to the point that you're trying to make and then he'll ignore anything that destroys his arguments. I can't even tell if the guy is for real or not anymore.
Hell, he put me on ignore after hilariously proclaiming this.
He doesn't even hold the two to the same standards. He claims market share is all that matters because it = highest and best quality of app selection and no one else could make $20M off a game. Then he completely reverses his argument when it comes to OS X because, apparently, market share DOESN'T matter and profits do (glad somebody's looking out for Apple here!). Apps on Windows suck and nobody cares that a game like League of Legends can make HUNDREDS of millions of dollars.
Hell, he put me on ignore after hilariously proclaiming this.
He doesn't even hold the two to the same standards. He claims market share is all that matters because it = highest and best quality of app selection and no one else could make $20M off a game. Then he completely reverses his argument when it comes to OS X because, apparently, market share DOESN'T matter and profits do (glad somebody's looking out for Apple here!). Apps on Windows suck and nobody cares that a game like League of Legends can make HUNDREDS of millions of dollars.
Yes.
Good for you, for me that's unforgivable after years of iPhone usage.
Our iPhones are a bit laggy as well when browsing certain sites. Even my GF's iPhone 5. Nothing deal-breaking at all, but I've also yet to use any device where I can scroll for a long time without any lag at all. Just set your pages to 100 posts on GAF and browse Threads with gifs and pictures. It's never really satisfying. Menus are laggy on my old 3GS even.
I don't know about the new iPad though, I've not used that, and that's an iOS device as well so I'd like to exclude that when making this statement.
GAF threads with tons of animated gifs lag even on a powerful Sandy Bridge laptop, so I would definitely cut some slack for mobile devices there. But going from an iphone 4S to SGS3 is a distinct step back in smoothness, and that's a dealbreaker.
Again, you have no idea what you're talking about.
News flash buddy, I have (as in still own) a 4S and an S3 and find the S3 to be the better and smoother performer. I've had every iPhone since the 3GS. It's a myth that any of the OS's is completely lag free. They all lag and hitch here and there, and I actually find my 4S is far more unreliable when it comes to stalls and crashes than my S3 is.
And I get labeled as the anecdotal evidence guy, when there's crap like this around.
You are the anecdotal evidence guy. One guy comes in with his anecdote, and you think you can just brush off that mantle, especially after a page of your mom?
- Someone who owns both phones and does regular comparisons of them both vs someone who owns only the iPhone and whos only Android device is a HP Touchpad... Which do you think is more reliable?
- A video that visibly shows the differences in web browsing smoothness between the two vs a random quote from a guy about an unrelated element of the UI of some old version of ICS. Which do you think is more reliable?
Hey guy, he owns an HP TouchPad, ok? You know, that Android tablet that HP made... LOL
I am really looking forward to buy a 920 - My only major setback is I couldn't find any app that plays chiptunes on it.
Android have droidsound, which is pretty solid
IOS have Modizer, which is the best app I've ever seen for chiptunes - it even plays X68k files!
If someone finds an app for W8 - I will buy a $10 game on steam as a reward
Android have droidsound, which is pretty solid
IOS have Modizer, which is the best app I've ever seen for chiptunes - it even plays X68k files!
If someone finds an app for W8 - I will buy a $10 game on steam as a reward
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