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[Delusibeta]

Don't start your comments off with something that's fundamentally incorrect and, to be blunt, fucking stupid then.

Indeed. Job security has been basically non-existant for a depressingly large portion of "traditional" jobs for the past half a decade or so.

 

[Whompa]

"A job is a regular activity performed in exchange for payment. A person usually begins a job by becoming an employee, volunteering, or starting a business."

Care to explain to me what business he works for?

Actually forget it. Insults are thrown out instead of actual conversation...

Indeed. Job security has been basically non-existant for a depressingly large portion of "traditional" jobs for the past half a decade or so.

Seems like it's no different on these kinds of "jobs" too.

 

[Felix Lighter]

"A job is a regular activity performed in exchange for payment. A person usually begins a job by becoming an employee, volunteering, or starting a business."

Care to explain to me what business he works for?

Actually forget it. Insults are thrown out instead of actual conversation...

It's his own business. He works for himself.

 

[Orayn]

"A job is a regular activity performed in exchange for payment. A person usually begins a job by becoming an employee, volunteering, or starting a business."

Care to explain to me what business he works for?

Actually forget it. Insults are thrown out instead of actual conversation...

Dude, you're not doing yourself any favors. He was self-employed, making videos that wound up paying him through ad revenue.

 

[Lautaro]

"A job is a regular activity performed in exchange for payment. A person usually begins a job by becoming an employee, volunteering, or starting a business."

Care to explain to me what business he works for?

Actually forget it. Insults are thrown out instead of actual conversation...

He makes videos (reviews, interviews) and get's a share of the advertising revenue. How's that not a job?

It's ok if you don't like his material but if you say that what he does is not a job, you are clearly wrong.

 

[Whompa]

Dude, you're not doing yourself any favors. He was self-employed, making videos that wound up paying him through ad revenue.

And now the companies he makes videos from what a cut in it. Welcome to greed and corporate america. What is the debate?

 

[Felix Lighter]

And now the companies he makes videos from what a cut in it. Welcome to greed and corporate america. What is the debate?

Whether what he does would be considered a job.

 

[Averon]

"A job is a regular activity performed in exchange for payment. A person usually begins a job by becoming an employee, volunteering, or starting a business."

Care to explain to me what business he works for?

Actually forget it. Insults are thrown out instead of actual conversation...



Seems like it's no different on these kinds of "jobs" too.

You never heard of self-employment? So store owners and business owners don't have a job either? So my step-father, who busts his butt 6-days a week at his auto-repair shop doesn't have a job either?

 

[QisTopTier]

And now the companies he makes videos from what a cut in it. Welcome to greed and corporate america. What is the debate?

You are saying what he does is not a job. You also said he doesn't produce any original content

 

[thunder_snail]

"A job is a regular activity performed in exchange for payment. A person usually begins a job by becoming an employee, volunteering, or starting a business."

Care to explain to me what business he works for?

He works for his own business which is called AngryJoeShow hosted on youtube. He goes around US interviewing people, creates video game reviews with him being one of the actors in his reviews. People watch and enjoy his videos and he gets paid for via ads. He is providing a service in exchange for money. If that's not a "job" what can it be?

 

[Whompa]

The sticky part of it is there's other companies involved in his videos.

 

[QisTopTier]

The sticky part of it is there's other companies involved in his videos.

Yes this is typically how reviews, interviews, and parody things work.

 

[ChiliManiac]

A very good rant by him that explains what is going on with the Youtube Monetization issues. Thought that it should deserve its own thread. According to him, 100s of his top videos are getting flagged, even though they are reviews.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQfHdasuWtI

This was just fuckin beautiful! Angry Joe hit the nail of the head!

 

[Chell0]

Angry joe's "work" is not a job. This is not a "way of life." His entire shtick is to be stressed out. That sounds miserable.

He's not really doing anything that really progresses the medium of videogames, whatsoever. This kind of stuff is a passion project that helps grow a persona.

The only difference is that he isn't at Central Park yelling, while standing on a milk crate with crayon print of, "videogame journalist" printed on the front of it...I really like some of his stuff, but it's not a job. It's not editorial. It's just entertainment. It's a show. He uses a product to perpetuate a fake persona to an audience.

I really don't sympathize with his message that, "videogame publishers are ruining my rough cut rants."

If he was actually creating original content, by using videogames as an inspiration, I'd probably cut him some more slack.

So I'll just take a leap of faith just this once and won't ignore this as a troll post.

Discounting his work as a "milk carton street show" is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. By your logic, any type of journalism could be discounted the same way. Or any type of entertainment industry work for that matter.

You might not sympathize with whatever message you've interpreted from his video, but the fact is that youtube's content id system does not consider whether content is fair use or not before flagging it for a perceived violation. This is technically fine since the website is owned by a private company, but that doesn't make it any less disagreeable from the perspective of the majority of Youtube users, since Youtube has no legal obligation to take down those videos.

I would also like to say that your idea of original content is very narrow and your idea of what constitutes a "real job" is quite unreasonable.

 

[CTLance]

Interesting videos. Poor Angry Joe. Poor rest of the youtube personas. Honestly. This is honestly heartrending.

Still, after all those troubles over the last few months I am seriously wondering why people continue to use youtube. Sure, other hosters do not offer the same features or ad revenue sharing terms, but hell, the only way to change something is to hit them where it hurts.

These rants (or e.g. StarCitizen's trailers after the disastrous Happy Birthday lifestream idiocy) still show up exclusively only on youtube, thus vastly decreasing the impact of the problems. Taking it up the arse and then turning around and lubing up for another go while loudly complaining is something that makes me raise an eyebrow or two. Shit's kinky.

 

[Card Boy]

If this content ID stuff doesn't get fixed for you Joe i see 4 options.

1. Get partnered with Gametrailers (I don't know how likely this is)
2. Put all your stuff on your website and have non-youtube links (This could get expensive hosting it)
3. Keep doing what your doing and hope it doesn't get flagged
4. Gimp your show and do the guy in from of a camera thing (which i know you said you hate Joe)

The last point is the shitty i know. I realize not all options are as good as what you had acouple weeks ago. Maybe try a combination of points 2-4 and see how it goes.

 

[cjtiger300]

Something you can make a living from without fearing job security because of a quickly changing work climate...What is a job to you? His work is more passion than anything else I guess because the entertainment business is in a constant state of change...I dunno. Whatever, flame away...didn't mean to offer an opinion that caused more anger. Just feel like his job seems incredibly loose on what it actually is outside of a "show" that isn't sponsored or isn't really supported by anyone but himself.

Show me this candy cane land you speak of. I guess we all don't have a job because what your saying is a job doesn't exist.

 

[Desty]

Go Joe. You have my backing 100%.

Yeah, I think that more people need to understand how the system has changed and how it is screwing over people giving reviews (i.e. *promoting*) products. Why would publishers not want that? It's like everyone is getting screwed by a shitty algorithm.

 

[Sean*O]

Wow I guess having a real job means you have to work for someone else. I wonder if those who employ all of these people with "real jobs" feel like they don't have a real job themselves?

Probably not, because if it weren't for self employed entrepreneurial types then nobody would ever get a "real job".

 

[Fattony12000]

Not to sound mean or anything, but this has been explained several times now: in order to produce HIGH QUALITY content, you need money to get the right equipment. The more you invest in a business, the more people are going to know that you give a shit about what you're putting out there and aren't just a fly by nighter. That means...more views, and it means that more people listen to you, and thus, a better chance of making an actual impact on what happens.

If you don't have the money to get that high quality equipment, what ends up happening?

You're not sounding mean or anything. When PentinantTangent said that they "wanted to potentially pursue gaming journalism as a career, and I can't easily do that anymore", I didn't equate that sentiment with necessarily having to be able to monetise video content uploaded to YouTube. The term "journalism" when applied to the sphere of video games is broad enough (or even loose, as some might say) that it can mean a great many different things to different people. Such as me, and obviously you two!

Vlogger, blogger, critic, reviewer, journalist, let's player, streamer, writer, reporter, video producer, commentator, personality, content creator, podcaster, hashtag. Ohhh this crazy old video game thing.

#videogames

 

[GuitarAnthony]

Wow I guess having a real job means you have to work for someone else. I wonder if those who employ all of these people with "real jobs" feel like they don't have a real job themselves?

Probably not, because if it weren't for self employed entrepreneurial types then nobody would ever get a "real job".

Everybody works for somebody. Self employed just means you work for your customers. If enough of them stop dealing with you (or don't watch your videos), you've essentially been "fired".