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Animal Collective - "Merriweather Post Pavilion" (AOTY 2009)

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Hipsters are such a fucking joke. Unlike any other subculture (hippies, punks) hipsters have absolutely nothing to stand for besides consumerism and trends.

I love how hipsters claim to be so open to individualism and originality, but yet they all fucking wear the same things and listen to the same music.

Hipsters = extroverts who just badly want to feel like they are different and artsy.

The whole thing makes me sick.
 
Karma Kramer said:
Hipsters are such a fucking joke. Unlike any other subculture (hippies, punks) hipsters have absolutely nothing to stand for besides consumerism and trends.

I love how hipsters claim to be so open to individualism and originality, but yet they all fucking wear the same things and listen to the same music.

Hipsters = extroverts who just badly want to feel like they are different and artsy.

The whole thing makes me sick.

Sounds like a hipster to me!

Anyone willing to second this statement?
 
Sirpopopop said:
Sounds like a hipster to me!

Anyone willing to second this statement?

About a year ago, I was for a very brief time period (when I was working at pitchfork)... but once I left that job, I was able to look back and I realized how big of a joke it was.
 
Karma Kramer said:
About a year ago, I was for a very brief time period (when I was working at pitchfork)... but once I left that job, I was able to look back and I realized how big of a joke it was.
You didn't think it was a joke when you got your application :lol
 
Karma Kramer said:
Hipsters are such a fucking joke. Unlike any other subculture (hippies, punks) hipsters have absolutely nothing to stand for besides consumerism and trends.

I love how hipsters claim to be so open to individualism and originality, but yet they all fucking wear the same things and listen to the same music.

Hipsters = extroverts who just badly want to feel like they are different and artsy.

The whole thing makes me sick.

Is this clever satire or an honest, tired retread of everything that's been said a hundred times by a lot of dumb people on the internet? Either way I don't want another "one size fits all" discussion of subcultures, or 'subcultures', or 'sub'cultures or sub'cultures' and all the blanket statements that follow. Back on topic please.
 
Karma Kramer said:
I love how hipsters claim to be so open to individualism and originality, but yet they all fucking wear the same things and listen to the same music.
same goes for any musical subculture. it's why they fail so hard.
 
hateradio said:
You didn't think it was a joke when you got your application :lol

I didn't even know about hipsters when I started working... I was just fresh living in New York. I didn't even hear about Pitchfork or listen to indie rock until about a year ago or so.

I don't want to get off topic though, this album is too good to talk about such bullshit.
 
Peru said:
This is the absolute lowest form of argumentation. "You guys who are tricked into thinking this is great haven't heard the REAL GOOD MUSIC that lurks beyond your horizon". I'm sure it's a comforting thought to think that your knowledge is broader and deeper, and that those of us who love AC don't know all the nooks of the various genres, but most of the times I'm also pretty sure it's not true. Don't resort to that kind of shit, don't try to twist the motivations of the fans into something you can accept. It comes off as desperate.

*slow clap*
 
Lambtron said:
:lol Oh come on.

1) Hyperbole much? I'm sure this is the best album of two years before the next year even starts AND after like 2 or 3 listens in one day.
2) "Check it out dudes I'm on wafflez and ur not sorry no invites :)"
3) Ugggggggggggggh.


The endless hyperbole in this thread for what I consider an okay-good band is overkill and what does it for me. It's like... people have never heard a psyche rock record before. They've never heard noise with pop music. Animal Collective is to the hipster crowd what Radiohead is to the mainstream rock crowd. And I feel about the same way about both bands.
I can agree with the first half, but not so much the second. Well, aside from diehard fans of both bands being little shits. However, both have managed to be reasonably prolific and consistent in terms of quality, without stagnating too much on a particular sound. That's commendable. They're both essentially pop bands, too—the neutralisation of their respective genres is what makes them so accessible, and there lies a lot of their charm. It's not a bad thing.
 
"The neutralisation of their respective genres". Which genres are that? Stadium rock for Radiohead? I think you mixed up 'neutralisation' with 'revival' on that one.
It's also very funny that a few years ago AC would be considered on the very edge of whatever genre they'd be put in, with releases such as "Here Comes the Indian" and "Campfire Songs", but with a bit of hype behind them they're now a safe, pre-packaged lite alternative for hipsters. The lack of creativity never ceases to surprise me.
 
Peru said:
"The neutralisation of their respective genres". Which genres are that? Stadium rock for Radiohead? I think you mixed up 'neutralisation' with 'revival' on that one.
It's also very funny that a few years ago AC would be considered on the very edge of whatever genre they'd be put in, with releases such as "Here Comes the Indian" and "Campfire Songs", but with a bit of hype behind them they're now a safe, pre-packaged lite alternative for hipsters. The lack of creativity never ceases to surprise me.

Who is saying such things besides one user in this forum?

You seem to get so defensive when someone brings up the word hipster in negative light. No offense.

And can we please get back on topic with the album... ya know... what this thread is about.
 
Karma Kramer said:
About a year ago, I was for a very brief time period (when I was working at pitchfork)... but once I left that job, I was able to look back and I realized how big of a joke it was.

I don't understand this. Did you give back your member's jacket and decoder ring?
 
You can't have a thread about a liminal band w/o having it turn to a fight.


Let's all go listen to Song Tungs and get happy!
 
Zilch said:
I don't understand this. Did you give back your member's jacket and decoder ring?

Haha no... it was more to do with trying to force myself to like and listen to the trendy hipster stuff and I also bought a pair of skinny jeans and had some other hipster apparel.

It was the typical story of someone being around a certain group of people... and instead of just being myself I tried to fit in by imitating.

Stupid shit really.
 
You fuckers better not turn this into another hipster thread. An Animal Collective thread is supposed to be a safe refuge.

I would talk more about this album but my record has yet to arrive.
 
You guys are way too worried about what kind of person your musical taste makes you.

If your personality is so flexible that it can be altered by liking some certain band I'd start to look for more character definition.

Also, I'd say that if you criticize the people who like a work of art before the work itself you have little ground to stand on.
 
it's been a while since I heard an album that instantly clicked for me, every segment of sound making me think "my god this is perfect"

lion in a coma, lion in a coma :D

oh and summer clothes sounds like another song that would be good for the radio, loud and incredibly catchy
 
I wear scarves and fedoras, that makes me a hipster doesn't it :'(

Doesn't it :'(

Whatever. I don't identify myself with any group, I just hang out with people who're nice and friendly and share a similar sense of humor. One of my best friends likes ska and dresses like a punk, the other wears AE shit and listens to trance. But I don't give a shit.

And neither should you people. You all worry way too much.
 
BrandNew said:
I wear scarves and fedoras, that makes me a hipster doesn't it :'(

Doesn't it :'(

Whatever. I don't identify myself with any group, I just hang out with people who're nice and friendly and share a similar sense of humor. One of my best friends likes ska and dresses like a punk, the other wears AE shit and listens to trance. But I don't give a shit.

And neither should you people. You all worry way too much.

Seriously. People here are so concerned about putting people in little boxes with labels on them.

I went to art school and primarily hung out with people who most would label "hipsters". Nearly all of them had different tastes in music and they just liked what they liked. Sure, tastes overlap and at certain times different bands would be popular and well-liked by most (Arcade Fire, for instance). Saying "[all] hipsters like this, blahblahblah" is some real bullshit.
 
BrandNew said:
I wear scarves and fedoras, that makes me a hipster doesn't it :'(

Doesn't it :'(

Whatever. I don't identify myself with any group, I just hang out with people who're nice and friendly and share a similar sense of humor. One of my best friends likes ska and dresses like a punk, the other wears AE shit and listens to trance. But I don't give a shit.

And neither should you people. You all worry way too much.

You are probably right... I just have that type of personality that I get upset over certain things sometimes that really aren't too important. Last night I stayed up till 6 AM on ichat having about a 10 page conversation with someone about present day culture and society. It was awesome, but really ridiculous... I needed sleep too...
 
Peru said:
"The neutralisation of their respective genres". Which genres are that? Stadium rock for Radiohead? I think you mixed up 'neutralisation' with 'revival' on that one.
It's also very funny that a few years ago AC would be considered on the very edge of whatever genre they'd be put in, with releases such as "Here Comes the Indian" and "Campfire Songs", but with a bit of hype behind them they're now a safe, pre-packaged lite alternative for hipsters. The lack of creativity never ceases to surprise me.
Animal Collective and Radiohead have essentially become pop bands who rely on clever pastiche, much like other pop bands, but of fringe genres like noise and psyche rock, etc. LIKE I SAID, there's nothing wrong with that.

And for fucks sake, every post you've made in this thread has been unprovoked whining over haters, hype and hipsters. Chill out, dude, nobody asked you to be AC's bulldog.
 
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I really don't understand how all of you get so fussy about the "hipster" culture and whatever the fuck you each thinks it is. Hipsters exist. They are one of many subcultures in the world. They might be a tad more annoying right now and that's because they're "in" right now. Other than being a bunch of rich, trendy, materialistic morons stomping around in cheap sunglasses and tight blue jeans, I think the whole thing is rather innocuous--like most subcultures (unless it's actually socially "destructive" I guess). From a purely conversational perspective, I don't know what the fuck you guys are bitching about. Just focus on the music! Take Pitchfork with a grain of salt. It's pretentious and laughable, but often has great music. Care about the music, fuck the culture.

Regarding the album: it's awesome so far. I love everything they've done. Their trajectory from unknown and very experimental to almost-mainstream and less experimental isn't that surprising. I think the music has mostly stayed consistent. Their albums usually have a couple of unlistenable tracks, and several amazing ones. There seems to be a good amount of you uninterested in Strawberry Jam, which I find weird--thought that was one of their better ones ("Fireworks" and "For Reverend Green" are mind-altering).

The recent Water Curses EP is a nice transition from Strawberry Jam to Merriweather, I think. They've really gotten into this "electronic" direction, away from the folky stuff on Sung Tongs, etc.

I think I saw this somewhere in the thread, but Merriweather does sound a good bit like Panda Bear's Person Pitch, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it means the whole band is now trying to use the Beach Boys formula along with a bunch of fancy electronic, ambient samples and effects. I'm into all genres, and as both an ambient and metal fan, I've always liked their combination screaming insanity and soft droning. I feel like there's a lack of the former on this album.

All in all, this is a great post-Christmas present!!!! :D :D :D
 
BrandNew said:
I don't understand that, considering he's the best out of all of them.

Well, what I think makes AC good is both Avey and Panda. A collaboration and ensemble. This just feels like Person Pitch. It's not bad, it just doesn't sound much different from his solo stuff. Which, to me, makes for an uninteresting AC album.

Glad you guys are liking it, though.
 
I haven't given it a proper proper listen yet, but it's good. It's not balls-out-amazing, but it's good.


Just good.
 
After listening a couple more times and letting the initial phasing of "bessttt christmas eveerr!!!" wear off, I've decided something about this album.

It's ridiculously amazing. SO consistant and so easy to divulge into any one song. From lyrics to layers, his puppy has the slow jams, the pop killers, the hooks, the riffs, the everything.

It really might just be album of the '09.


"Are you also frightened?"

And I think this album has a perfect mix of avey and panda. Panda seems to stick to the background vocally, adding in his awesome harmonies for the most part. It seems like they actually made music together for once instead of just giving one guy the go ahead on an album. It works so well.
 
after listening through this album several times, i really really love Bluish. the harmonies and arrangements are absolutely beautiful. man i wish i had good headphones with me but i'm far away from home.
 
Yesterday I gave this album to a friend who didn't listen to much music other than some old age Greatful Dead-istic stuff.

Today he told me he LOVED it and wants me to recommend more of their stuff. I doubt he's going to like their other work, oh well. :P

My god, I only wonder what they're going to do next.
 
You don't think he'd like their previous stuff? Why not, it's awesometastic, maybe he'd probably get hooked to Tungs :lol


I always wanted AC to do something in the form of Susumu Hirasawa's mid-90s work, like Aurora (though this is '94), Sim City, Siren, Kyuusai no Gihou [Technique of Relief], but I doubt that would ever happen; though they have a similar thing going on before that, at least in my mind. Basically super synth, loud, in your face, regal south/east Asian masterpieces.
 
Funny, because I think he'd end up liking Sung Tongs too. It's not as busy as the others, but the initial slowness after Who Can Win a Rabbit can be off-putting.
 
Odrion said:
Yesterday I gave this album to a friend who didn't listen to much music other than some old age Greatful Dead-istic stuff.

Today he told me he LOVED it and wants me to recommend more of their stuff. I doubt he's going to like their other work, oh well. :P

They used to cover a Grateful Dead song in their live sets a few years ago so this kinda makes sense.
 
Odrion said:
Funny, because I think he'd end up liking Sung Tongs too. It's not as busy as the others, but the initial slowness after Who Can Win a Rabbit can be off-putting.
How so? I think the slowness is amazing, and it's a great album to cool off from MPP :P
 
Honestly, I never found them to be all that impressive. Person Pitch was by far better then anything AC has done up until this album.

I think they got a lot of attention because they were very unique, but their sound was all over the place at times... and it never seemed like they actually knew what they were doing.
 
Karma Kramer said:
Honestly, I never found them to be all that impressive. Person Pitch was by far better then anything AC has done up until this album.

I think they got a lot of attention because they were very unique, but their sound was all over the place at times... and it never seemed like they actually knew what they were doing.
You better watch your back foo! :lol

PP sounds good, but honestly lacks a lot of drive that the band itself has, mostly because the tracks weren't varied, and slowish and draggy; although I love "Bro's" and "Good Girls/Carrots," the rest of the album isn't very interesting, though "Take Pills" Is quite fun.
 
hateradio said:
You better watch your back foo! :lol

PP sounds good, but honestly lacks a lot of drive that the band itself has, mostly because the tracks weren't varied, and slowish and draggy; although I love "Bro's" and "Good Girls/Carrots," the rest of the album isn't very interesting, though "Take Pills" Is quite fun.

Well the album isn't as upbeat sure... but that doesn't mean it lacks drive. If anything I find Person Pitch far more personal and therefore far more engaging. The amount of attention and detail that went into all these songs astound me, and I find myself enjoying the album more with each listen. I read a review that described it as a classic from the 1970's remixed with modern sound production and re-released 30 years later. Its essentially a timeless piece of music because it doesn't focus on one thing, but takes multiple different aspects of music and combines it into one simple psychedelic adventure.

The album art clearly demonstrates this, with the various types of animals all crammed together in one small pool.

Also Ponytail, although only two minutes, is perhaps my favorite moment on the album. And an amazing closer.

But to each their own.
 
BrandNew said:
I find that Animal Collective is their best when they're more frantic.

I have to agree. The only slower songs I love are Banshee Beat and Loch Raven

and Person Pitch > any AC album although their 4 recent come pretty close (ST, Feels, SJ, MPP)
 
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