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[The Take Out Bandit]

I'm imagining Duckroll sitting next to an hourglass watching each grain of sand dropping... anxiously waiting for the two hours to end.

It's an hourglass, not a two hour glass. :|

 

[Makoto]

Huh, did you not read my follow up post? I admit that pedophile wasn't the best word to use because I didn't mean to imply people who are into moe/lolicon are also attracted to real kids.

And I also explained why I think there IS indeed a sizable portion of those people in the fandom. Sizable enough to make anime studios and mangaka continuously release material that pander to people who are into drawn little girls. Shows like K-On, Strike Witches, Nanoha, etc. are quite popular. But if you want to be cute and ignore the obvious cause' you want to ban someone you don't agree with then that's fine.

BTW, the SNSD/Kpop thread was quite informative and I found some bands that I actually like. Sorry you don't like humor in threads!

This is no evidence!

joaquingaldiatorthumbsdown.jpg

 

[Kalnos]

It's an hourglass, not a two hour glass. :|

He can just wait to start it until after the first hour, or flip it, don't question the validity of my illustration!

 

[G-Fex]

what a jerk that guy is. I watched Azumanga Daioh for the lulz, not checking out the little girls.

And neither was the teacher, he just acted weird cause....I'm not sure.

 

[Haly]

It's an hourglass, not a two hour glass. :|

Maybe he had a two hour glass lying around not getting any use, which is the only reason perfectnight's getting that extra hour.

 

[NaughtyCalibur]

Would you say that these conventions should develop a system like they do at the clubs to establish who is over 18 and who is not?

Some cons do this already to quickly establish who can and can't go to the after hour panels, typically via wrist bands (e.g., red means 18+, blue means underage). But I even saw that system get abused once when a dude I know snagged an 18+ wristband for his 14 year old girlfriend to wear throughout the con. Regardless, I don't think it hurts to have the system in place.

Another thing I feel strongly about is separating the seemingly traditional anime con raves into two parts: one for minors, the others for adults. I wish I didn't feel it were necessary, but every anime con rave I've gone to has scantly clad 14-year olds on the dance floor being grinded up on or worse by olden men, and there's no security or any form of real adult supervision in sight. It's pitch black, so of course creeps have some plausible deniability when asked, "why did you try to stick your penis in that young girl on the dance floor?" It just seems like the worst idea ever.

I dunno, I guess I don't have a problem with people getting banned from anime cons because, honestly, it's not a big deal. They happen once a year, and if you can't go it's not the end of the world. It's not the same to me as banning sex offenders from the mall, as one person suggested.

 

[Branduil]

It's pretty bad. You look at the anime releases for each season and more often than not it's some variation on moe loli harem themes, and not really anything else around to offset it now. Being an "out" anime fan under current circumstances goes beyond being flagged as nerdy.

There's certainly no shortage of moe crap, but I don't think it's true that there's nothing to offset it. There's been a pretty decent number of quality TV shows and movies last year and this one, in a wide variety of genres.

 

[duckroll]

Huh, did you not read my follow up post? I admit that pedophile wasn't the best word to use because I didn't mean to imply people who are into moe/lolicon are also attracted to real kids.

And I also explained why I think there IS indeed a sizable portion of those people in the fandom. Sizable enough to make anime studios and mangaka continuously release material that pander to people who are into drawn little girls. Shows like K-On, Strike Witches, Nanoha, etc. are quite popular. But if you want to be cute and ignore the obvious cause' you want to ban someone you don't agree with then that's fine.

BTW, the SNSD/Kpop thread was quite informative and I found some bands that I actually like. Sorry you don't like humor in threads!

By listing shows like K-On, Strike Witches, and Nanoha as if they appeal to the exact same audience, and are all equally as popular, it shows that you have no in-depth understanding of the subject matter. Trying to generalize something you do not understand to paint a specifically offensive label across the board is insulting and ignorant.

Anime does have a lack of range in terms of appealing to people looking for more serious shows and more mature and intelligent content of quality. But that does not automatically mean that every single show that features female teen characters is a sign that they are pandering to pedophiles or people who even want to objectify young girls in sexual ways, fictional or otherwise.

K-On is a show with no sexual suggestion or content whatsoever, and is produced mostly by female staff. Is there unofficial sexual material based on it being produced by a segment of the fanbase? Sure. There are also pedophiles who watch teen dramas on Disney channel, and collect photos and videos of underaged Hollywood actresses for the purpose of sexual pleasure. Pedophiles exist in our society, as much as we wish they would not.

Strike Witches on the other hand, is pretty iffy pedobait, and I find it highly distasteful. I don't even like K-On, but it's really insulting to put the two together to suggest that they are "pandering" to the same crowd when one clearly does not pander in any way to pedophiles and is MUCH more popular as a result.


tl;dr: I still want my evidence. You have 1 hour left.

 

[The Take Out Bandit]

what a jerk that guy is. I watched Azumanga Daioh for the lulz, not checking out the little girls.

And neither was the teacher, he just acted weird cause....I'm not sure.

I actually skipped Azumanga the first time because I thought it was moe crap.

It wasn't until I read Yotsuba that I went back and read Azumanga.

I think Azuma is trolling the weirdo moe/pedo types with the teacher character. Although I've got no confirmation; it just felt like really righteous trolling.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Holy shit, Ducky's doing countdowns before dropping the guillotine, like in the movies!

 

[FunkyPajamas]

I'm sorry Amir0x but duckroll is the best mod of all time. OF ALL TIME.

 

[G-Fex]

I actually skipped Azumanga the first time because I thought it was moe crap.

It wasn't until I read Yotsuba that I went back and read Azumanga.

I think Azuma is trolling the weirdo moe/pedo types with the teacher character. Although I've got no confirmation; it just felt like really righteous trolling.

And a great trolling it is.

I'm not even a Anime fan (anymore) and I know there's stuff out there that doesn't pander to .."That" crowd. There's about well over what, 85 percent that doesn't pander to it, it's the fans and well I guess hentai companies that do otherwise.

Like with any other thing/show/book/movie/anime/cartoon. It's usually the fanbase that goes overboard and ruins it.

 

[Kalnos]

It's usually the fanbase that goes overboard and ruins it.

My little po..

*whistles and walks away*

 

[duckroll]

You know what disturbs me the most about anime conventions? It's not the fact that there are creeps who are there to try and score with young girls, because I can deal with the reality of that. It's the fact that there are underaged girls who actually willfully attend the cons dressed up as characters from hardcore hentai shows which they SHOULD NOT EVEN BE WATCHING.

I simply can't understand it. This doesn't even represent an "anime" problem, but rather a problem with society, where young girls are growing up with the idea that it is okay to put themselves out there in a large public event roleplaying a character created for the sole purpose of sexual exploitation on screen. What the fuck are their parents doing? Does anyone actually know people like that, who can explain how this happens? I really feel for them, it seems pretty fucked up.

 

[tiff]

I'm not even a Anime fan (anymore) and I know there's stuff out there that doesn't pander to .."That" crowd. There's about well over what, 85 percent that doesn't pander to it, it's the fans and well I guess hentai companies that do otherwise.

I don't really pay attention to this kinda stuff, but time I've come across a sales chart or the like, it's always dominated by the non-"pedobait" shows. People who make it out like that kind of stuff is dominated the industry never know what they're talking about.

 

[Hcoregamer00]

I do agree that anime conventions need to be more proactive in protecting the younger generation of anime fans that goes to conventions.

What boggles my mind is that this thread is filled with nothing but silly generalizations about the anime market that paints a whole group in broad strokes. I do agree that there are some shows that pander to that type of person, just do what I do, ignore it and watch the good stuff.

For every lolicon bait show like Strike Witches there are awesome shows like Madoka Magica, Eden of the East, and Angel Beats.

Edit: Duckroll has definitely put himself much higher on my "awesome mods" list.

 

[G-Fex]

You know what disturbs me the most about anime conventions? It's not the fact that there are creeps who are there to try and score with young girls, because I can deal with the reality of that. It's the fact that there are underaged girls who actually willfully attend the cons dressed up as characters from hardcore hentai shows which they SHOULD NOT EVEN BE WATCHING.

I simply can't understand it. This doesn't even represent an "anime" problem, but rather a problem with society, where young girls are growing up with the idea that it is okay to put themselves out there in a large public event roleplaying a character created for the sole purpose of sexual exploitation on screen. What the fuck are their parents doing? Does anyone actually know people like that, who can explain how this happens? I really feel for them, it seems pretty fucked up.

Nobody said the world had to make sense.

I'm just glad I don't go to those cons in the first place.

 

[Vox-Pop]

Seems like a good idea. Some guys were following me for a bit while I was looking for someone alone at AX it was pretty creepy.

I'll skip the rest of the topic since I'm sure it's going to be stupid.

You should have asked me to be your bodyguard. I would have let you stay at my house.

 

[iavi]

And a great trolling it is.

There's about well over what, 85 percent that doesn't pander to it, it's the fans and well I guess hentai companies that do otherwise.

Think lower. Way lower. Way way lower.

 

[tiff]

You know what disturbs me the most about anime conventions? It's not the fact that there are creeps who are there to try and score with young girls, because I can deal with the reality of that. It's the fact that there are underaged girls who actually willfully attend the cons dressed up as characters from hardcore hentai shows which they SHOULD NOT EVEN BE WATCHING.

I simply can't understand it. This doesn't even represent an "anime" problem, but rather a problem with society, where young girls are growing up with the idea that it is okay to put themselves out there in a large public event roleplaying a character created for the sole purpose of sexual exploitation on screen. What the fuck are their parents doing? Does anyone actually know people like that, who can explain how this happens? I really feel for them, it seems pretty fucked up.

I see the appeal in it, personally. I mean, when I was a teen I was definitely watching shows I "shouldn't have been watching." As people mature sexually I guess some people are just going to be drawn to that kind of thing. Some of them being girls, even.

 

[Nix]

Some cons do this already to quickly establish who can and can't go to the after hour panels, typically via wrist bands (e.g., red means 18+, blue means underage). But I even saw that system get abused once when a dude I know snagged an 18+ wristband for his 14 year old girlfriend to wear throughout the con. Regardless, I don't think it hurts to have the system in place.

Another thing I feel strongly about is separating the seemingly traditional anime con raves into two parts: one for minors, the others for adults. I wish I didn't feel it were necessary, but every anime con rave I've gone to has scantly clad 14-year olds on the dance floor being grinded up on or worse by olden men, and there's no security or any form of real adult supervision in sight. It's pitch black, so of course creeps have some plausible deniability when asked, "why did you try to stick your penis in that young girl on the dance floor?" It just seems like the worst idea ever.

I dunno, I guess I don't have a problem with people getting banned from anime cons because, honestly, it's not a big deal. They happen once a year, and if you can't go it's not the end of the world. It's not the same to me as banning sex offenders from the mall, as one person suggested.

Why they hell didn't I go to these when I was 14!? Where the hell were these anyway, and why are they portrayed to be hang-outs for nerds, and the sexually/etiquettely depraved?

Man, I thought my youth was fucking awesome, but childhood destroyed.

 

[Pandaman]

If you say so. I'll take your word for it.

best place on the net to act well read without having to do any of that pesky reading.

And I also explained why I think there IS indeed a sizable portion of those people in the fandom. Sizable enough to make anime studios and mangaka continuously release material that pander to people who are into drawn little girls. Shows like K-On, Strike Witches, Nanoha, etc. are quite popular. But if you want to be cute and ignore the obvious cause' you want to ban someone you don't agree with then that's fine.

son of a...

please dont lump tasteful moe in with the lolibait just because of what the fanbase does with them. Don't judge the shows that built the genre by the odd chaff that shows up every season. believe it or not, it is not the Qwaser's of the anime world that set the charts on fire. while i can't deny that there is a public market for sexualized anime, its certainly not the majourity and most shows are alot closer to wholesome moe before certain segments of the fanbase get to it.

k-on gets alot of flack, but really almost nothing in it was sexualized. [if anything at all] and to say nanoha's attraction has anything to do with pedophilia seems kind of absurd when the show is, if anything, a deconstruction of mecha anime. also there's the whole 'the grow up and aren't little girls anymore' thing, but details, details.

Strike witches is unarguably a show that builds its base around some pretty fishy groups [and people with a serious commitment to historically accurate strangereal ww2 anime], but to say that it represents a significant base of the industry is just wrong. no other way to say it, its wrong.

judging all moe by strike witches and its like is like judging all mecha through gundam seed. its just not very fair. alot of the shift towards moe is character driven and the genre should not be shortchanged and judged by its fringes.

 

[Hcoregamer00]

Seems like a good idea. Some guys were following me for a bit while I was looking for someone alone at AX it was pretty creepy.

I'll skip the rest of the topic since I'm sure it's going to be stupid.

That is pretty creepy, for the record I just noticed you where there in AX because someone was talking about NeoGAF in the Ace Attorney gathering, and I figured I might as well introduce myself being the long-time member I am.

k-on gets alot of flack, but really almost nothing in it was sexualized. [if anything at all] and to say nanoha's attraction has anything to do with pedophilia seems kind of absurd when the show is, if anything, a deconstruction of mecha anime. also there's the whole 'the grow up and aren't little girls anymore' thing, but details, details.

I agree, K-On is an anime made by a mostly all-female team with a legendary shojo scriptwriter doing the story. It is popular because it is an idealized high school experience that we all wish we had. The anime has zero fanservice and it focuses more on friendship and having a fun life.

When has that been considered pedo material?

 

[Kalnos]

What the fuck are their parents doing? Does anyone actually know people like that, who can explain how this happens? I really feel for them, it seems pretty fucked up.

They shouldn't be watching the shows, no, but it seems unlikely in this day and age that most parents are even aware of what their kids do online.. much less having the ability to stop them. I do agree when it comes to going to the conventions dressed as the characters though, it seems like common sense would set in at that point and they would tell their child that it is inappropriate.

 

[NaughtyCalibur]

On a side note, I'd love for Louis Theroux to explore the anime convention topic in one of his documentaries.

 

[duckroll]

Nobody said the world had to make sense.

I'm just glad I don't go to those cons in the first place.

I don't really have a negative impression of cons. The problems that exist in anime cons also apply to make other large scale social gatherings, although sometimes in different ways. I would not really recommend going to a convention alone without knowing anyone who is also attending. I would certainly recommend it if you have friends who share a comment interest in the topic, and you can find the time to get away from school/work for a short weekend vacation. It's a great way to meet people who you know but don't see often, and there's a lot more to a con than just "talking about anime". It's basically an excuse to get together and do fun stuff.

The programming for the big anime cons in the US have improved quite a bit over the years as well. There is almost always some sort of major premiere at Anime Expo and Otakon now, sometimes multiple premieres. Being able to meet the creators of upcoming and/or popular existing series, and ask them questions at Q&A panels is great too.

 

[Mortrialus]

http://blastr.com/2011/08/anime-con-may-check-atten.php

Are they doing anything about female anime fans and paddles?

best place on the net to act well read without having to do any of that pesky reading.


son of a...

please dont lump tasteful moe in with the lolibait just because of what the fanbase does with them. Don't judge the shows that built the genre by the odd chaff that shows up every season. believe it or not, it is not the Qwaser's of the anime world that set the charts on fire. while i can't deny that there is a public market for sexualized anime, its certainly not the majourity and most shows are alot closer to wholesome moe before certain segments of the fanbase get to it.

k-on gets alot of flack, but really almost nothing in it was sexualized. [if anything at all] and to say nanoha's attraction has anything to do with pedophilia seems kind of absurd when the show is, if anything, a deconstruction of mecha anime. also there's the whole 'the grow up and aren't little girls anymore' thing, but details, details.

Strike witches is unarguably a show that builds its base around some pretty fishy groups [and people with a serious commitment to historically accurate strangereal ww2 anime], but to say that it represents a significant base of the industry is just wrong. no other way to say it, its wrong.

judging all moe by strike witches and its like is like judging all mecha through gundam seed. its just not very fair. alot of the shift towards moe is character driven and the genre should not be shortchanged and judged by its fringes.

K-on might not be sexual in the traditional sense, but the whole point of the show is fetishizing innocence. Tasteful is the last world I'd call K-On.

 

[InfiniteNine]

That is pretty creepy, for the record I just noticed you where there in AX because someone was talking about NeoGAF in the Ace Attorney gathering, and I figured I might as well introduce myself being the long-time member I am.

Yeah I kinda hurried up finding the other person to avoid having to deal with them. I had chatted with you a bit at the meet up and I have your card! I was there taking pictures of my friend Extollere and his wife. (Godot and Mia Fey) You seem like a nice person so hopefully I see you some more next year!

 

[perfectnight]

By listing shows like K-On, Strike Witches, and Nanoha as if they appeal to the exact same audience, and are all equally as popular, it shows that you have no in-depth understanding of the subject matter. Trying to generalize something you do not understand to paint a specifically offensive label across the board is insulting and ignorant.

I feel that a lot of the moe/lolicon themes in those shows do overlap even if they are not presented in the same way. I would say that in all of those shows plot, characterization, etc take a backseat to the girls looking as cute and innocent or sexy as possible. That's why I think they attract a lot of the same audience.

Anime does have a lack of range in terms of appealing to people looking for more serious shows and more mature and intelligent content of quality. But that does not automatically mean that every single show that features female teen characters is a sign that they are pandering to pedophiles or people who even want to objectify young girls in sexual ways, fictional or otherwise.

I think you're being deliberately obtuse. I've never implied such a thing. My comments were about how I didn't like the amount of attention that the anime industry puts on the kind of shows that DO pander to that crowd. I think it's inappropriate and it cheapens the medium.

K-On is a show with no sexual suggestion or content whatsoever, and is produced mostly by female staff. Is there unofficial sexual material based on it being produced by a segment of the fanbase? Sure. There are also pedophiles who watch teen dramas on Disney channel, and collect photos and videos of underaged Hollywood actresses for the purpose of sexual pleasure. Pedophiles exist in our society, as much as we wish they would not.

The moe aspect of a show don't have to be overtly sexual. I think the intent (to appease to moe/lolicon fans) is there. Not even saying people only like K-ON because of the little girls, just that the show was made with the portion of the fanbase that does in mind. BTW The fact that it is produced by a mostly female staff means nothing. Kodomo No Jikan was authored by a female and that show is full on drawn kiddy pornography. Furthermore, the difference between Hollywood and the anime industry is that one embraces underaged porn material while the other doesn't.

Strike Witches on the other hand, is pretty iffy pedobait, and I find it highly distasteful. I don't even like K-On, but it's really insulting to put the two together to suggest that they are "pandering" to the same crowd when one clearly does not pander in any way to pedophiles and is MUCH more popular as a result.

I disagree and I think it does pander to those people who get off on that. Just in different ways.

tl;dr: I still want my evidence. You have 1 hour left.

That's fine. Just stop putting words into my mouth because you want an excuse to ban me.

 

[duckroll]

I see the appeal in it, personally. I mean, when I was a teen I was definitely watching shows I "shouldn't have been watching." As people mature sexually I guess some people are just going to be drawn to that kind of thing. Some of them being girls, even.

I guess that does make some sense. I was going to say something about the need to be smart about not putting yourself in unnecessary risks... but then I realize that I'm talking about kids anyway, so that logic isn't really going to fly.

 

[Pandaman]

When has that been considered pedo material?

when the fanbase got to it.

thats the big shame about modern anime, the fanbase can really stress peoples tolerance.

 

[G-Fex]

I don't really have a negative impression of cons. The problems that exist in anime cons also apply to make other large scale social gatherings, although sometimes in different ways. I would not really recommend going to a convention alone without knowing anyone who is also attending. I would certainly recommend it if you have friends who share a comment interest in the topic, and you can find the time to get away from school/work for a short weekend vacation. It's a great way to meet people who you know but don't see often, and there's a lot more to a con than just "talking about anime". It's basically an excuse to get together and do fun stuff.

The programming for the big anime cons in the US have improved quite a bit over the years as well. There is almost always some sort of major premiere at Anime Expo and Otakon now, sometimes multiple premieres. Being able to meet the creators of upcoming and/or popular existing series, and ask them questions at Q&A panels is great too.

I understand. I however choose to be a recluse and not go to any of these gatherings voluntarily. Besides I tend to lose my temper around people who bother me (i get bothered easily in real life) and I just don't want to cause a scene.

My only major regret was not going to pacific anime expo and meeting kaya.

 

[Jintor]

I disagree and I think it does pander to those people who get off on that. Just in different ways.

To clarify, do you mean get off as in enjoy, or get off as in mastubate over?

 

[mr2xxx]

Just searched for some research article involving anime on my schools website.

"Moreover, I discuss the concept of “moe” which is commonly used among anime fans to describe their “bursting” or “burning” affections toward certain anime characters. By analyzing otaku’s feelings of moe, I argue that moe are affective responses in the body that precede feelings and emotions. In the era of digital technology, otaku’s reception of images is turning more and more visual, sensational, and affective – without deep thoughts and without consciousness. The digital technologies allow the modulation of the moe/affective responses upon otaku’s reception of images. Moe responses are bodily movements without consciousness – but with the potentiality and capacity to become emotions and provide new meanings. It is such affective responses – “powers to act” – that motivate otaku to do something voluntarily."

No idea WTF this guy is going on about but seems interesting.

 

[DrForester]

I feel that a lot of the moe/lolicon themes in those shows do overlap even if they are not presented in the same way. I would say that in all of those shows plot, characterization, etc take a backseat to the girls looking as cute and innocent or sexy as possible. That's why I think they attract a lot of the same audience.



I think you're being deliberately obtuse. I've never implied such a thing. My comments were about how I didn't like the amount of attention that the anime industry puts on the kind of shows that DO pander to that crowd. I think it's inappropriate and it cheapens the medium.



The moe aspect of a show don't have to be overtly sexual. I think the intent (to appease to moe/lolicon fans) is there. Not even saying people only like K-ON because of the little girls, just that the show was made with the portion of the fanbase that does in mind. BTW The fact that it is produced by a mostly female staff means nothing. Kodomo No Jikan was authored by a female and that show is full on drawn kiddy pornography. Furthermore, the difference between Hollywood and the anime industry is that one embraces underaged porn material while the other doesn't.



I disagree and I think it does pander to those people who get off on that. Just in different ways.




That's fine. Just stop putting words into my mouth because you want an excuse to ban me.

 

[Hcoregamer00]

I don't really have a negative impression of cons. The problems that exist in anime cons also apply to make other large scale social gatherings, although sometimes in different ways. I would not really recommend going to a convention alone without knowing anyone who is also attending. I would certainly recommend it if you have friends who share a comment interest in the topic, and you can find the time to get away from school/work for a short weekend vacation. It's a great way to meet people who you know but don't see often, and there's a lot more to a con than just "talking about anime". It's basically an excuse to get together and do fun stuff.

The programming for the big anime cons in the US have improved quite a bit over the years as well. There is almost always some sort of major premiere at Anime Expo and Otakon now, sometimes multiple premieres. Being able to meet the creators of upcoming and/or popular existing series, and ask them questions at Q&A panels is great too.

I have been attending anime cons for almost ten years and I definitely enjoy the social experience. There is almost a "brotherhood" of fellow cosplay photographers I see in every major anime convention and we talk about lenses, cameras, photographing techniques, and many other things. Making friends is one aspect of cons I do enjoy.

I have to say it again, there is a larger number of younger attendees and cons should do a better job of protecting them, there is no doubt about that. I just hate when me and many of my close friends are painted with a broad brush and compared to lolicons (something which I do despise).

Yeah I kinda hurried up finding the other person to avoid having to deal with them. I had chatted with you a bit at the meet up and I have your card! I was there taking pictures of my friend Extollere and his wife. (Godot and Mia Fey) You seem like a nice person so hopefully I see you some more next year!

I had a great time too, I didn't know you had that sort of an issue during AX. It was definitely lots of fun, we should definitely hang out and do a NeoGAF meet or something. I also met Giolon and other NeoGAF members in there.

when the fanbase got to it.

thats the big shame about modern anime, the fanbase can really stress peoples tolerance.

I don't tolerate lolicons and I tell the anime industry reps that I despise that sort of thing. Tolerance is good, but tolerating a market that makes your hobby looks bad is not a good thing.

 

[duckroll]

perfectnight, stop "disagreeing" without replying to the exact points being presented and refuting them. Saying "I disagree" means nothing. I'm not interested in your opinion. I'm interested in you being able to back up your opinion.

For example, right now my opinion is that you're a guy who likes to make board generalizations to directly accuse fans of certain forms of entertainment of being things they are not, and then when backed to a corner you play the "I just disagree" card. You make claims without being able to back them up, and you try to claim the high ground by appearing to be an alternative voice.

You claim I'm putting words in your mouth, well that's no different from what you're doing at all. So deal with it.

 

[perfectnight]

To clarify, do you mean get off as in enjoy, or get off as in mastubate over?

Both?

 

[G-Fex]

perfectnight, stop "disagreeing" without replying to the exact points being presented and refuting them. Saying "I disagree" means nothing. I'm not interested in your opinion. I'm interested in you being able to back up your opinion.

For example, right now my opinion is that you're a guy who likes to make board generalizations to directly accuse fans of certain forms of entertainment of being things they are not, and then when backed to a corner you play the "I just disagree" card. You make claims without being able to back them up, and you try to claim the high ground by appearing to be an alternative voice.

You claim I'm putting words in your mouth, well that's no different from what you're doing at all. So deal with it.

what a weak card, take him out Duckroll, he hasn't got any thing else in his deck.

 

[Admiral Bone to Pick]

what a weak card, take him out Duckroll, he hasn't got any thing else in his deck.

His grandfather's deck has no weak cards.

 

[G-Fex]

His grandfather's deck has no weak cards.

I however think he pawned his grandaddy's cards and is now playing with whatever he found on the street.

 

[duckroll]

What's happening with Yugioh anyway? Has the lawsuit been settled?

 

[FunkyPajamas]

what a weak card, take him out Duckroll, he hasn't got any thing else in his deck.

What if it's all a ruse to active his trap card?

 

[Salazar]

BTW, the SNSD/Kpop thread was quite informative and I found some bands that I actually like. Sorry you don't like humor in threads!

It was a troll thread. It wasn't funny. You weren't funny in it.

 

[Vamphuntr]

I think it's for the best. An added layer of protection can't hurt when the event is attented by young teens. Moé is what made me give up on anime years ago. I still don't understand how a grown adult can be interested in this.

 

[tiff]

Why are moe and lolicon being conflated here?

 

[Admiral Bone to Pick]

I however think he pawned his grandaddy's cards and is now playing with whatever he found on the street.

What a digital dummy.

 

[Jo Shishido's Cheeks]

Things I Should've Done During My Youth But Didn't
Entry 129:

Picked up a chick at an anime convention.

:’(

 

[Hcoregamer00]

I think it's for the best. An added layer of protection can't hurt when the event is attented by young teens. Moé is what made me give up on anime years ago. I still don't understand how a grown adult can be interested in this.

You are missing out, when you ignore the Moe stuff out there you will find hidden gems all around. You just have to look around and find it.

Why are moe and lolicon being conflated here?

It makes it easier to stereotype a group when you can start combining genres.

 

[duckroll]

Why are moe and lolicon being conflated here?

Beacause it's easier for his shitty argument.