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[Izayoi]

Browsing through Gamersyde I noticed a worrying trend. It seems that many (if not most) next-gen games use very little, if any, AF. What gives?

This seems to be a problem across both platforms. Are these launch pains or is this something we can expect with a majority of titles going forward? I know that the PS4 at least has more than enough memory bandwidth to handle high levels of AF, so I'm kind of scratching my head about it.

On an unrelated note, what the fuck is Bungie doing with that horrible chromatic aberration? Hopefully that shit gets dropped before release (or at the very least, toned down). It's incredibly unappealing visually.

 

[LabouredSubterfuge]

Are you fucking serious? I naturally assumed that all next gen games will have 16x AF. If not then I genuinely give up.

 

[ghst]

Are you fucking serious? I naturally assumed that all next gen games will have 16x AF. If not then I genuinely give up.

i don't know why you thought that.

 

[stuminus3]

That Forza picture is unreal. That's a press shot? Holy crap, it's horrible.

 

[LabouredSubterfuge]

i don't know why you thought that.

Because I assumed the performance hit is negligible for modern GPUs.

 

[epmode]

On an unrelated note, what the fuck is Bungie doing with that horrible chromatic aberration? Hopefully that shit gets dropped before release (or at the very least, toned down). It's incredibly unappealing visually.

Chromatic abberration is my newest nemesis. I have a feeling it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.

At least we can occasionally disable it in PC games.

 

[Leb]

I can't remember the last PC game that didn't default to 16x AF. Surely the PS4, at least, will offer a similar level of quality.

 

[CheesecakeRecipe]

That is a really good question. I always crank 16xAF just because it doesn't affect performance whatsoever, so I wonder why they wouldn't here. Fairly significant IQ boost for a negligible amount of memory lost?

 

[Cartman86]

Making other things pretty is more important to some devs?

EDIT: Oh yeah I forgot. AF doesn't affect performance much anymore?

 

[Dictator93]

That Forza picture is unreal. That's a press shot? Holy crap, it's horrible.

I have played Forza and can confirm it really has bad AF and LOD problems.

Could ahve been a symptom of an older build... but...

Not sure why AF is an after thought.

 

[LabouredSubterfuge]

Making other things pretty is more important to some devs?

Ridiculous.

 

[ghst]

Because I assumed the performance hit is negligible for modern GPUs.

negligibly taxing image quality improvements can quickly be turned into a couple more particle effects.

 

[Zombie James]

Isn't 16x AF pretty much free on modern hardware?

 

[Freeman]

Does it have any significant impact on performance?

 

[Valnen]

Destiny looks a bit more rough than I remember. Ugh =(.

 

[Xanadu]

That Forza picture is unreal. That's a press shot? Holy crap, it's horrible.

you people are insane

 

[fizzelopeguss]

negligibly taxing image quality improvements can quickly be turned into a couple more particle effects.

I need more screen jam when I get shot at bro.

 

[Grayman]

There is no good reason to explain this.

 

[nynt9]

That Forza picture is unreal. That's a press shot? Holy crap, it's horrible.

There is no good reason to explain this.

Maybe 32MB ESRAM means you can't do AF with 1080p images? Not sure if the math checks out.

 

[Branduil]

Not using AF is just ludicrous at this point. Any PC made in the last few years can do AF without a problem.

 

[LabouredSubterfuge]

negligibly taxing image quality improvements can quickly be turned into a couple more particle effects.

Or an image-degrading post-process effect.

 

[LCGeek]

Does it have any significant impact on performance?

Hasn't for ages now.

OP been wondering the same thing.

 

[Pimpbaa]

It's inexcusable for next gen games not to have it. I mean it was trivial for my geforce 7600 and I though 360 and ps3 would have it on for every game, but nope. And they are still not using it when it's even more trivial.

 

[Leb]

you people are insane

I think they're mostly referring to the scene itself. The car looks great, no question, but everything else in the scene is pretty shit.

 

[ethomaz]

AF is almost free to use in modern GPUs... it is only bandwidth dependent so in PS360 gen it was really limited but now? PS4 have 176GB/s bandwidth for what?

#Team16xAF

 

[ghst]

Or an image-degrading post-process effect.

now we're talking, where's that share button!?

 

[belmonkey]

Does a lack of AF cause weird stuff with fences like this (right side of fence)?:

 

[Lord Error]

No clue. KZ:SF used to not have it in early build screens, now it seems to have it. I thought it was strange too. I cant't think of another ps4 game I've seenately that doesn't have it though (destiny build is really old too)

 

[Pimpbaa]

Chromatic abberration is my newest nemesis. I have a feeling it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.

At least we can occasionally disable it in PC games.

Whenever I see chromatic aberration, i feel the need to bust out a pair of red and blue 3d glasses.

 

[ethomaz]

From AMD GCN slides...

It is automaticly enable with no performance cost.

 

[The Cowboy]

Because if some people can't tell the difference between 720p and 1080p, how could they tell the difference between 2xAF and 16xAF.

 

[OverturePT]

Seriously? Look at that street in Forza... fucking horrible.

 

[Ricerocket]

Isn't 16x AF pretty much free on modern hardware?

Yeah it's almost free considering the huge boost in image quality and what a difference it makes.

 

[NBtoaster]

Does a lack of AF cause weird stuff with fences like this (right side of fence)?:

That's a resolution/AA issue, there aren't enough pixels in the image to represent the links in the far away fence.

 

[Zombie James]

Does a lack of AF cause weird stuff with fences like this (right side of fence)?:

No, that's lack of resolution.

 

[SRTtoZ]

Seriously? Look at that street in Forza... fucking horrible.

Had to make sacrifices to reach 1080p/60fps.

 

[Izayoi]

That Forza picture is unreal. That's a press shot? Holy crap, it's horrible.

Yeah, it's especially worrying that even bullshots are showing a distinct lack of AF. I thought it was a relatively inexpensive process, but maybe I'm wrong?

I can't remember the last PC game that didn't default to 16x AF. Surely the PS4, at least, will offer a similar level of quality.

That's what you would think, but that Destiny screenshot is of the PS4 version and it seems to be completely absent.

That is a really good question. I always crank 16xAF just because it doesn't affect performance whatsoever, so I wonder why they wouldn't here. Fairly significant IQ boost for a negligible amount of memory lost?

Same here. It's always the first thing I max and the last thing I tone down if I'm worried about performance on PC. I don't really understand why it's not there in next-gen titles.

Does it have any significant impact on performance?

It can require large amounts of memory bandwidth, but that shouldn't be an issue on the PS4. Despite that, it seems that even PS4 games are having problems with it.

Does a lack of AF cause weird stuff with fences like this (right side of fence)?:

That's texture aliasing, a different problem entirely.

 

[ethomaz]

Had to make sacrifices to reach 1080p/60fps.

But the Cloud...

 

[therealminime]

Does a lack of AF cause weird stuff with fences like this (right side of fence)?:

Not my fence shot! That was a 4k screen with 130% resolution scale and 4xMSAA, still couldn't clean up that fence.

AF is texture related.

 

[Respawn]

you people are insane

Do you even know what AF is? Look at the road ahead of the car.

 

[Pimpbaa]

From AMD GCN slides...

It is automaticly enable with no performance cost.

So they are leaving it disabled for no goddamn reason?

 

[Vooduu]

Next-gen brahs. Next gen.

 

[ethomaz]

This is AF guys (look at the far distance)

 

[UrbanRats]

I asked myself the same question when looking at the Order 1886 screens, it seems that game also lacks AF.
Very weird, it's one of those things that drives me crazy, too. :\

 

[A More Normal Bird]

From AMD GCN slides...

It is automaticly enable with no performance cost.

The new algorithm is. Doesn't mean much if the developers use minimal AF or none at all.

 

[ethomaz]

So they are leaving it disabled for no goddamn reason?

Well I don't know but I guess the GCN have auto enable some level of AF... 16xAF you need to set yourself (the game developer).

 

[Izayoi]

From AMD GCN slides...

http://www.amd.com/PublishingImages/Public/Graphic_Illustrations/HighResolutionJPEG/anisotropy_960W.jpg[IMG]

It is automaticly enable with no performance cost.[/QUOTE]
If that were the case, how do you explain the examples I posted?

I don't understand.

[quote="Lord Error, post: 89089705"]No clue. KZ:SF used to not have it in early build screens, now it seems to have it. I thought it was strange too. I cant't think of another ps4 game I've seenately that doesn't have it though (destiny build is really old too)[/QUOTE]
It was hard for me to find good examples of PS4 games, that Destiny shot was the best example I could find. Killzone does a lot of stuff that obfuscates the ground textures (puddles, decals, ground clutter) so I couldn't find a great shot to illustrate it there, but it does seem to be off or at least low in some recent shots.

[quote][img]http://images.gamersyde.com/image_killzone_shadow_fall-23537-2660_0004.jpg

 

[ethomaz]

The new algorithm is. Doesn't mean much if the developers use minimal AF or none at all.

Can you explain better? The new algorithm is bad or something like no AF? I'm interested.

 

[belmonkey]

Not my fence shot! That was a 4k screen with 130% resolution scale and 4xMSAA, still couldn't clean up that fence.

AF is texture related.

I've been curious about fences / AF when I saw Killzone MP screenshots and fences looked bad / disappeared at a distance. If all that resolution cannot fix a fence, I wonder how much is needed? :/

 

[Cannon Goose]

The lack of AF was one of the first things I noticed when these native resolution next gen (bull)shots started coming out. That shit should be maxed out!