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Any reason why Sega hasn't made shenmue 3 yet?
- Thread starter BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
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People who enjoy games like Heavy Rain would probably like Shenmue III as well.
Well, you want to know why Sega is willing to make Yakuza games instead of Shenmue games? Because the former's games actually sell and make their money back.
Clockwork
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Note: I owned Shenmue on Dreamcast. I enjoyed it.
With that in mind...
Why would Sega release a sequel to a game series last released 12 years ago that is recognized strictly by a limited audience (outside of the kind of people that post at GAF it has no mindshare) and by all means was a financial (but definitely not a critical) flop for them?
They wouldn't, and they haven't.
With that in mind...
Why would Sega release a sequel to a game series last released 12 years ago that is recognized strictly by a limited audience (outside of the kind of people that post at GAF it has no mindshare) and by all means was a financial (but definitely not a critical) flop for them?
They wouldn't, and they haven't.
Why can't some people understand that making Shenmue III wouldn't cost as much now as it would have 10 years ago. Let Yu Suzuki use the Yakuza engine. If the Yakuza games can be profitable without selling in the West, Shenmue III would probably make some money.
Iorv3th
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I'm thinking that the cost of Shenmue 1 being so expensive was also because they started the game on Sega Saturn. They then had to basically start over for the dreamcast. They also had been working on both 1 and 2 at the same time I believe.
I had an old gaming magazine that was talking about shenmue 1 at e3 and some of the pictures they showed where from shenmue 2 scenes (I read it after just beating shenmue 2). They also apparently have most of the story already done.
When they became Sega-Sammy their entire focus shifted.
TreasureHunterG
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Man, I simply hate this argument. Shenmue was a "flop" because of the astronomical budget it got back in the day. In actual numbers, it did really fine and got great reception and built a considerable fanbase for the franchise. Now that the Yakuza franchise became a respectable and solid franchise strongly based on the Shenmue mechanics, this "financial flop" is no longer a valid argument to leave the franchise in the vault.
I am thinking they had to invent alot of tech and custom many things to have shenmue made. Like face motion cap etc. with Yakuza's tech (being based on Shenmue engine(s) I think) could be used and make Shenmue 1-2 remake or 3 with extremely medium to low budgets
The funny thing is you could probably ask this question about a shitload of their franchises and the answers would be just as dumb. Aside from publishing P* games, new SEGA is really, really bad at handling their ips.
There's really no good reason for not letting AM2 port the games to the PS3/360. And SEGA knows this too otherwise they wouldn't tease people about it.
Somehow, there's enough money to make Beast Rider, but then "Oh, poor SEGA" has no money to release Shenmue and II on XBLA/PSN. Then they go and put Valkyria on the fucking PSP and release a new Shinobi game on the 3DS.
There's really no good reason for not letting AM2 port the games to the PS3/360. And SEGA knows this too otherwise they wouldn't tease people about it.
Somehow, there's enough money to make Beast Rider, but then "Oh, poor SEGA" has no money to release Shenmue and II on XBLA/PSN. Then they go and put Valkyria on the fucking PSP and release a new Shinobi game on the 3DS.
I agree with TreasureHunterG. Shenmue was still one of the best selling games on DC. Anyway the problem of making a sequel to a game that saw 12 years ago its last entry.... yes, that is a valid point. But still I think it can be done. The developers should make a video to sum up what happened in the first two games (death of Iwao, the two mirrors, the voyage....) but remember the third episode should start shedding some light on the mysteries of the saga, introduce magic and so on.
Clockwork
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You know, the only way I could even see a new Shenmue sequel would be to do just that.
Sega would need to port the first two games ala an HD collection as both a digital and disc release. It would have to be at a reasonable/value price and there would have to be some advertising and decent media/review coverage.
Without building mindshare for the franchise I just don't see a sequel being successful/worth releasing.
Drinky Crow
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i love modern shenmue threads :-D
I fail to see your logic here? How does an Online version of Shenmue, developed by JC Entertainment, have any bearing on the quality of Shenmue III?
Unless you're talking about the fact that there was supposed to be some use of magic, which we all knew Shenmue would end up using anyway.
Never forget.
You "disagree"? Did you not finish Shenmue II or something? Did you not realize you were using/looking for magical mirrors throughout the game?
Just because Shenmue Online used magic so openly doesn't mean that Shenmue III would be the same. But magic was always going to be involved.
Clay Davis
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I think the more immediate question is why they haven't released hd versions of shenmue 1 and 2 on live arcade and psn. they are working their through their entire back catalogue, but these are strangely absent.
It's not a matter of enjoying it or not, I could do without magical stuff as well, but it's clearly built into the storyline from the start and not some shoehorned crap they came up up.
Just because Shenmue Online had some Hadoukens, it doesn't mean that Shenmue III will have Ryo turn into a Phoenix and Lan Di into a Dragon.
I don't. I keep saying that the fact that Shenmue Online had it doesn't necessarily mean that Shenmue III would display those things in the same manner, if they were there at all.
Because they suck.
Haunted
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But those aren't reasons because, except for AM2 and Suzuki, nobody knows what Shenmue III would look like. You're passing judgment on a game that was never shown by watching a promotional video of an Online spin-off.
You're just guessing. Like anyone else.
Sure, sure.
Haunted
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Surely you admit that Shenmue III as a story-driven singleplayer game in the vein of the first two ones (with a clear beginning, middle and end) would necessitate a different approach than an online universe intended to be played and lived in forever?
One isn't indicative of the other just because they share the same universe.
edit: yay everyone can be friends again
ajim
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I don't think it was ever intended that Shenmue III or otherwise would be filled with hadoukens and fireballs like in Shenmue Online. However there was always going to be that magical/mystical aspect to the games and story.
I never saw and felt the game was going to blow open and start playing like Shenmue Online, but I did think magic/mysticism was going to play a role in the story. Not a bad thing at all. And probably not something Shenmue fans should be complaining about.
whatever, just give me Shenmue III!
I never saw and felt the game was going to blow open and start playing like Shenmue Online, but I did think magic/mysticism was going to play a role in the story. Not a bad thing at all. And probably not something Shenmue fans should be complaining about.
whatever, just give me Shenmue III!
It's a touchy subject, don't worry about it. We're arguing over guesses, because nobody has ever seen Shenmue III. Regardless, I would rather have Shenmue III with flying dragons and hadoukens than no Shenmue III.
Amen. If I ever win the lottery, all my money is going to Yu Suzuki himself.
First reply gets it. No one but Shenmue fanboys will give a damn.
That's because Shenmue fanboys know that it's complete bull. "Too expensive", lol.
Yeah, Shenmue was expensive back in fucking 199X. Good thing we're in 2013 and a lot of the things that Shenmue was doing back then are now the norm. Both in terms of tech and game design.
Can anyone show a list of Dreamcast games that topped over 1 million sales?
Let's not go crazy here. Seeing that the first Shenmue sold 1.2 million copies (and that's not counting used sales and pirated games) on ONE failed system, I'm pretty sure episode 3 would at least sell a million copies if it was released on more than one system. But first, they'd have to rerelease Shenmue I & II.
I've always wanted one.Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
I thought Sleeping Dogs did pretty good, at least in Europe?
And yeah, Shenmue III would be expensive and would bomb day -1 since no one but a vocal minority on the Internet would give a shit about it.
ThreeSixty
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I think the conclusion here is that Sega; in the weakened state they're in now would never greenlight Shenmue III. It's just not going to happen. I think it has just been too long. The Shenmue fanbase existed back when I and II were released and even then the fanbase was limited. Sega would have to rise like a phoenix over the next five years and reach a much stronger financial position before even considering executing a third game.
There's people even predicting Sega may not exist by 2015. This is a company that used to be the number one force in gaming; who now don't even have the money to release retail games (outside of games that Sega believes will definitely sell). They're only releasing retail games from four franchises for Christ's sake. It would take a massive reversal in Sega's fortunes for them to even be in the position to consider making a third game.
Sega right now just don't have the capability; financial or otherwise to make Shenmue III. The dream is dead until Sega recovers. If Sega recovers that is.
There's people even predicting Sega may not exist by 2015. This is a company that used to be the number one force in gaming; who now don't even have the money to release retail games (outside of games that Sega believes will definitely sell). They're only releasing retail games from four franchises for Christ's sake. It would take a massive reversal in Sega's fortunes for them to even be in the position to consider making a third game.
Sega right now just don't have the capability; financial or otherwise to make Shenmue III. The dream is dead until Sega recovers. If Sega recovers that is.
Amen, brother.
One of the problems I also think Shenmue III faces is that most of the ground it broke is pretty normal now, and part of Shenmue's charm is brining new things to the table.
Also QTEs were cool back when Shenmue came out and there is a lot of vitriol about that mechanic now.
Sega only releasing retail games for four franchises is more Sega seeing the signs that going for big budget AAA retail releases will led to the death of most companies. Remember that said "retail" franchises are two PC exclusive titles in Total War and Football Manager, the Aliens license, and Sonic The Hedgehog. In reality, Sega's gone all digital save for Sonic the Hedgehog.
IrishNinja
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man get the fuck out with this shit, he's said so many times over the last decade he wants to see it done right
well, looks like this was taken care of
i can take that kinda nonsense from drinky crow, but a sonic fan? cmon son
zerokoolpsx
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And were done.
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