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LanceStern
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DS has already had 2 price drops in less than a year in the US I believe.
Anihawk do you have GCN LTDs?
If so, may I enlighten you on my TEVS Document, so that you do not hesitate to fork over the numbers? in polite terms. (b^.^)b
Anihawk do you have GCN LTDs?
If so, may I enlighten you on my TEVS Document, so that you do not hesitate to fork over the numbers? in polite terms. (b^.^)b
SolidSnakex
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acklame said:
Yah they've gotta be really liking it. At last check Madden PSP was close to 500k in the US and was the 2nd best selling game on the system, behind GTA ofcourse. Kind of amusing when you consider people were laughing at Maddens sales when it first came out.
LanceStern
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It puts PSP at ~ 3.82 million in the US
DS at ~ 3.973 million
DS at ~ 3.973 million
metropolis
Banned
ya the PSP is really the target audience for EA games.. i don't know if that's a compliment or an insult though.
i want a PSP very badly but it certainly isn't for lousy yearly madden updates and need for speed car games.
i want a PSP very badly but it certainly isn't for lousy yearly madden updates and need for speed car games.
LanceStern
Banned
How much did it cost initially 180?
Then 150
Now 130
Or maybe it's just the bundles
Then 150
Now 130
Or maybe it's just the bundles
My Arms Your Hearse
Banned
Xbox had to compete against a fresh PS2 and Gamecube. X360 is competing against an extremely dated PS2 and dying GC. I'd hope it is up near the top.
Of course, it would have won, had they been able to supply enough of the things, but that is the way the cookie crumbles.
I would however be shocked if the thing continues to sell out all year (unless the shipments drop dramatically, which wouldn't make any sense at all). The Xbox (hardcore) fanbase just isn't that big, and PS3/Rev are going to steal a lot of thunder.
Of course, it would have won, had they been able to supply enough of the things, but that is the way the cookie crumbles.
I would however be shocked if the thing continues to sell out all year (unless the shipments drop dramatically, which wouldn't make any sense at all). The Xbox (hardcore) fanbase just isn't that big, and PS3/Rev are going to steal a lot of thunder.
Shaheed79 said:
I see it scaring away more people, actually, unless there's some stuff that draws in little girls like the DS.
The market in NA has moved to better graphics, more stuff for your buck, etc... I think the Revolution's pricepoint may hurt more than it helps... because you get what you pay for. A cheap system
and this is purely what I speculate most American shoppers will perceive the system as
SolidSnakex
Member
metropolis said:
Given how big EA is, having their games shift units on your system means it'll get a bigger fanbase and more games from companies in general.
I <3 Katamari
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Can someone hook us up with the total sold to day for all the consoles, with January included.
I'm sure we can get exact numbers for PSP, DS, and 360. Dunno about PS2, Xbox, or GC, but rounded numbers would do too.
Thanks to whoever can do that!
I'm sure we can get exact numbers for PSP, DS, and 360. Dunno about PS2, Xbox, or GC, but rounded numbers would do too.
Thanks to whoever can do that!
soundwave05
Member
The GBA just won't die in North America ... that's probably putting a bigger cap on DS sales right now rather than competetion from the PSP.
Once the DS gets to that $99 barrier and with the redesign, then I can see 30-40% at least of the GBA audience going DS ... because basically DS then replaces the GBA line (as it has in Japan more or less).
The funny thing is Nintendo probably needs Pokemon Diamond/Pearl more in the US for the DS than they do in Japan. They could use that Pokemon audience to swing over to the DS, because I think in North America at least that crowd is still on the GBA.
Once the DS gets to that $99 barrier and with the redesign, then I can see 30-40% at least of the GBA audience going DS ... because basically DS then replaces the GBA line (as it has in Japan more or less).
The funny thing is Nintendo probably needs Pokemon Diamond/Pearl more in the US for the DS than they do in Japan. They could use that Pokemon audience to swing over to the DS, because I think in North America at least that crowd is still on the GBA.
monkeymagic
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Rev is going to surprise a lot of people
As for PS3 - pretty much nothing can stop it but I'm suspecting 2nd place goes to Nintendo next gen.
As for PS3 - pretty much nothing can stop it but I'm suspecting 2nd place goes to Nintendo next gen.
I wouldn't be that categoric. I think that is impossible at this stage to predict anything.Prine said:
Sony has the most to lose in terms of marketshares. Yet PS3 could destroy x360 sales if it is launched at a similar price.
Revolution may not sell as well as x360 and PS3 to the usual gamer crowd, but Nintendo is serious about the non gamers (the billions Peter Moore raved about) and they may sell just as much units as their competitors thanks to this new target.
Nintendo fans will get a Revolution from day one.
Other gamers will get a Revolution few months/years later, once they already have a PS3 or a x360.
Based on this scenario, Nintendo is likely to win. But look back at my first paragraph.
http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2246&Itemid=2
- NPD U.S. console software sales for January were $357 million, down 5% compared to last year.
- Xbox 360's troubled launch is being blamed for its failure to take up the sales lost to the current generation's decline.
- Through January, NPD data shows that Xbox 360 hardware sales were about 850,000 units (in contrast with Microsoft data that shows that 900,000 were shipped to North America by year end).
- Four games sold more than 100,000 units, compared to 11 last January.
- WMS predicts gloomy outlook until PS3 and Revolution launch.
- NPD U.S. console software sales for January were $357 million, down 5% compared to last year.
- Xbox 360's troubled launch is being blamed for its failure to take up the sales lost to the current generation's decline.
- Through January, NPD data shows that Xbox 360 hardware sales were about 850,000 units (in contrast with Microsoft data that shows that 900,000 were shipped to North America by year end).
- Four games sold more than 100,000 units, compared to 11 last January.
- WMS predicts gloomy outlook until PS3 and Revolution launch.
Amused_To_Death
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MrSardonic
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Andy787 said:
The DS isn't really outselling the PSP in Japan, it's pissing on its future grave site
Andy787 said:
oh my, I mean, really
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Vennt
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LanceStern
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Um, how to break this up:
GTALCS has been a very big hit for PSP and can be stated to have an almost "Nintendogs" like effect to a very small extent.
It's been selling over 100k in the US since its release in Septemeber, and has been in the UK TOp 10 for a VERY long time now (meaning it should be somewhere near 600k - 1 million). It's also been dwelling in the France Top 10 for a few weeks in a row.
This would put it around 2 million, and I wouldn't doubt that it'll sell 1 million in the US, even beating out Super Mario 64DS eventually.
I'm still interested to see how Mario Kart DS wills ell compared to it in the US. It's beat GTALCS in November and December, but not January, and is lagging in LTD sales in the US. However it's sold abnormally high in other regions.
DS and PSP are breaking the rules of handheld hardware and software sales.
GTALCS has been a very big hit for PSP and can be stated to have an almost "Nintendogs" like effect to a very small extent.
It's been selling over 100k in the US since its release in Septemeber, and has been in the UK TOp 10 for a VERY long time now (meaning it should be somewhere near 600k - 1 million). It's also been dwelling in the France Top 10 for a few weeks in a row.
This would put it around 2 million, and I wouldn't doubt that it'll sell 1 million in the US, even beating out Super Mario 64DS eventually.
I'm still interested to see how Mario Kart DS wills ell compared to it in the US. It's beat GTALCS in November and December, but not January, and is lagging in LTD sales in the US. However it's sold abnormally high in other regions.
DS and PSP are breaking the rules of handheld hardware and software sales.
metropolis
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"GTALCS has been a very big hit for PSP and can be stated to have an almost "Nintendogs" like effect to a very small extent."
i definately agree. gta is the game that western gamers are buying a PSP for. in fact it kind of explains why the PSP surge of success in europe and america for market share versus DS has not been repeated in japan.
japan is the only place where the DS is absolutely destroying the PSP and it all boils down to what each region considers a killer app to be. grand theft auto is the ultimate killer app for NA and europe but the japanese really don't seem to care about it. whereas brain training (probably) won't be a killer app for NA and europe (but i think it will sell very well.. just not mario kart or nintendogs numbers)
grand theft auto should show sony what is needed in japan.. they need the game that is the grand theft auto of japan.. for nintendo it's brain training or animal crossing but the PSP in japan just hasn't found out what it is yet.
i definately agree. gta is the game that western gamers are buying a PSP for. in fact it kind of explains why the PSP surge of success in europe and america for market share versus DS has not been repeated in japan.
japan is the only place where the DS is absolutely destroying the PSP and it all boils down to what each region considers a killer app to be. grand theft auto is the ultimate killer app for NA and europe but the japanese really don't seem to care about it. whereas brain training (probably) won't be a killer app for NA and europe (but i think it will sell very well.. just not mario kart or nintendogs numbers)
grand theft auto should show sony what is needed in japan.. they need the game that is the grand theft auto of japan.. for nintendo it's brain training or animal crossing but the PSP in japan just hasn't found out what it is yet.
LanceStern said:
Remember it was available in a bundle for America and those sales DO NOT count on the NPD. The hardware for the DS would be lower but its software would be a lot higher if they didn't make any bundles. All 3 Nintendogs and Mario Kart have had bundles and there is a new Animal Crossing bundle coming.
LanceStern
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Indeed. DS has had it's own killer app in the form of Nintendogs which has sold extremely well in all regions, but still PSP keeps a close trail on the DS.
I think it boils down to the DS doesn't have it's TRUE killer app yet (no not even Nintendogs). ANd that would be the killer app named
POKEMON
But then again, the way Nintendo is stupidly throwing the spinoffs to the audience FIRST is upsetting. Had they waited to release Trozei, Dash, Ranger and perhaps just released Mysterious DUngeon for GBA, Diamond and Pearl would have been the most anticipated DS game ever.
TO the other poster talking about the bundles, although Nintendo did do it for boosts, it's upsetting to me (being a Nintendo fan) because then we can't get ACCURATE sales of the killer app software. Mario Kart DS would have outsold GTALCS on its own, but with that bundle, it looks like MKDS is getting it's butt kicked. It's outselling it worldwide yes, but I want to see it win in America
ghostlyjoe
Member
How can the 360 be seen as anything but a disappointment? It may be due to short supply, but that doesn't mean it's not a disaster.
Demand was huge before Christmas, and they failed to come close to meeting it. How much of that pent-up demand has already dissipated? How much longer can MS drag this out until it's too late and they've squandered any advantage an early lauch could have provided.
E3 is basically the beginning of the PS3 countdown. The 360 has a couple months to build consistent momentum to carry them through Sony's launch. It looks to me like MS is gonna get buried.
Demand was huge before Christmas, and they failed to come close to meeting it. How much of that pent-up demand has already dissipated? How much longer can MS drag this out until it's too late and they've squandered any advantage an early lauch could have provided.
E3 is basically the beginning of the PS3 countdown. The 360 has a couple months to build consistent momentum to carry them through Sony's launch. It looks to me like MS is gonna get buried.
Earthstrike
Member
Are you sure about that? Super Mario 64 DS broke 1 million in Japan and NA and that was quite some time ago.
metropolis
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"Mario Kart DS would have outsold GTALCS on its own, but with that bundle, it looks like MKDS is getting it's butt kicked. It's outselling it worldwide yes, but I want to see it win in America"
although i definately agree with you that mario kart is a great game, i just don't see how it beating grand theft auto makes any difference. it's just for bragging rights? i mean if a game sells poorly then they won't make another one so it's important that it at least sells good numbers. but there is absolutely no doubt that mario kart is doing some great sales numbers. so really knowing that, do you still need it to outsell GTA?
personally it makes no difference to me.. something doesn't have to sell the best to prove anything. i just need it to do well enough for nintendo to keep supporting the DS and make more mario kart games and obviously that will be happening whether or not the PSP and GTA outsell it.
although i definately agree with you that mario kart is a great game, i just don't see how it beating grand theft auto makes any difference. it's just for bragging rights? i mean if a game sells poorly then they won't make another one so it's important that it at least sells good numbers. but there is absolutely no doubt that mario kart is doing some great sales numbers. so really knowing that, do you still need it to outsell GTA?
personally it makes no difference to me.. something doesn't have to sell the best to prove anything. i just need it to do well enough for nintendo to keep supporting the DS and make more mario kart games and obviously that will be happening whether or not the PSP and GTA outsell it.
ghostlyjoe
Member
metropolis said:
Amen. That goes for systems, too. The PSP in Japan, for example, is selling quite well. Yet it's being dwarfed by the the DS tidal surges. Isnt' that good for the PSP in an indirect way? Doesn't that equate to considerable expansion in the market overall?
This fight-to-the-death mentality is based on flawed thinking and an overdeveloped competitive streak.
LanceStern
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I come ot that conclusion because GTALCS has sold over 100k every month since it's release, and I think it'll continue that as long as the PSP continues to sell over 150k. SM64 on the other hand has been sellign around 30 - 40,000 for a while now.
SM64DS is at 1.286 million in the US
GTALCS is at ~ 820,000 in the US
If GTA continues to sell 100k or even 50 - 80,000 each month, it'll beat Mario 64 by the end of the year in the US.
SM64DS is at 1.286 million in the US
GTALCS is at ~ 820,000 in the US
If GTA continues to sell 100k or even 50 - 80,000 each month, it'll beat Mario 64 by the end of the year in the US.
mckmas8808
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LanceStern said:
Remember GTA:Something on the PSP will come out this Fall, so that might eat into LCS sells.
SolidSnakex
Member
mckmas8808 said:
I'd imagine GTALCS PS2 will be the one eating into the PSP versions sales. Unless they change it up a bit instead of doing a direct port of it. The PSP version was designed for handhelds afterall. It's suppose to be out soon according to TT, but we haven't heard anything about it since that press release.
LanceStern
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indeed metropolis. BUt then again it's not very competitive here on GAForums.
It makes for perfect bragging rights at GameFAQs though
It makes for perfect bragging rights at GameFAQs though
metropolis
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"It makes for perfect bragging rights at GameFAQs though"
gamefaqs has forums too? i better not go look at it.. it's not good to be addicted to more than one forum at a time i would think...
gamefaqs has forums too? i better not go look at it.. it's not good to be addicted to more than one forum at a time i would think...
LanceStern
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I wonder if GTALCS PS2 or LCS 2 will effect it.
Probably.
Probably.
LanceStern
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PSP had its killer app for western markets, actually I think there won't be a more successful game for PSP other than GTA.
But on the other side, although MK DS is a superb game, it isn't DS last hope. New Super Mario Bros. and Pokemon P/D will be huge and will boost hardware sales more than any other game. So its a safe bet that by the end of this year, DS YTD sales will be higher than PSP's.
DS Lite + NSMB. (+ maybe Pokemon P/D) FTW
But on the other side, although MK DS is a superb game, it isn't DS last hope. New Super Mario Bros. and Pokemon P/D will be huge and will boost hardware sales more than any other game. So its a safe bet that by the end of this year, DS YTD sales will be higher than PSP's.
DS Lite + NSMB. (+ maybe Pokemon P/D) FTW