I also thought Brawl was way better.
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I also thought Brawl was way better.
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It really does feel like a different game when you play one after the other. One of the things that struck me about Brawl is that the attacks carry no weight, it's like a bunch of featherweight characters hitting each other with pieces of paper. The physics are really wonky.
I know they created a whole new team but you have to question the wisdom behind not carrying over the guys who did such outstanding work on the first two games.
I know they created a whole new team but you have to question the wisdom behind not carrying over the guys who did such outstanding work on the first two games.
MisterNegative
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It is a different game though, on a different console as well. So it's supposed to feel different.
That being said I HATED brawl's slower speeds and the way characters felt so floaty when jumping or receiving hits.
Allan Holdsworth
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What happened to Kid Icarus Uprising development team? Are they working on the next Smash with Namco?
Brawl has many more glitches than Melee.
I don't have faith in this at all....
It's another bunch of newbies making this game, much like Brawl.
Honestly, the only thing that would make me have faith is if HAL was developing this game.
peanutbutterlatte
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We should all panic before playing the game. We should panic a lot.
Exactly.
Today I learned that Melee supporters are among the most nitpicky group of gamers.
Brawl was a disappointment in several aspects, but now to claim that it's fucking soulless and Melee's soundtrack was better? You cannot be serious.
I'm so glad that SSB4 won't be Melee 2.0. I don't want relatively small updates to the same gameplay engines ala nearly ever other popular fighter. That's something that Sakurai is doing right.
Glitches aren't the only thing that are part of the "coding" issues (but they are the most visible).
Never forget that the internet is one of the few places you're going to be able to find support for every facet of a work that can possibly be subjective.
There's nothing really wrong with being upset that Brawl wasn't an evolution on Melee, especially when such a community grew around it and embraced the quirks of its physics engine, kind of like early SF2 players did. There's also nothing wrong with preferring a more uniform soundtrack, even though I would be hard pressed to agree that Melee's soundtrack outclasses Brawl's in every way.
It's that kind of support that lets things like modding communities exist and bring life to things like Project M, which if nothing else, is a really interesting case study.
Thats funny coming from you, what with you constantly acting like your opinion is objective fact in the Smash 4 thread.
Well, I think I understand the criticism about Brawl's soundtrack, but it is... unfair!
You can customize your soundtrack and, c'mon, there's a least one AWESOME remix to each stage.
Also, we didn't have to only listen to "that zelda theme again", because it add so many options! I don't like all Melee songs either!
But how can you say that a soundtrack that have a Ocarina medley made by Shimomura and the most amazing Yoshi's songs ever?
I HATE this song in the original game, but this remix is one of my favorite songs from any Smash Bros.:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOatb7f677s
I can agree that we have a more cohesive soundtrack in Melee, but I love all this variety.
For me, this OST is a HUGE Nintendo museum...
You can customize your soundtrack and, c'mon, there's a least one AWESOME remix to each stage.
Also, we didn't have to only listen to "that zelda theme again", because it add so many options! I don't like all Melee songs either!
But how can you say that a soundtrack that have a Ocarina medley made by Shimomura and the most amazing Yoshi's songs ever?
I HATE this song in the original game, but this remix is one of my favorite songs from any Smash Bros.:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOatb7f677s
I can agree that we have a more cohesive soundtrack in Melee, but I love all this variety.
For me, this OST is a HUGE Nintendo museum...
Makes sense. Brawl was terrible.
Pretty much exactly how I felt. My brother and I were diehards until Brawl came out. Then we quit. You have no control over your character in Brawl. Especially if Meta Knight is on the stage. Might as well forget about getting a win.
Pretty much exactly how I felt. My brother and I were diehards until Brawl came out. Then we quit. You have no control over your character in Brawl. Especially if Meta Knight is on the stage. Might as well forget about getting a win.
This is where things went too far. I mean I know even Sakurai has said that Melee is the game he worked hardest on but there's no way the soundtrack of Brawl is bad. Haha.
That defeats the entire purpose of having stage music.
Guile's theme goes with everything, but it doesn't go with E. Honda's bath house.
NotoriousPUG
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Is this real life?
Not really. Brawl already gave you choices for stage music, and even Melee had alternate music for some levels that weren't even from that game. Mach Rider in F-Zero anyone?
The stages clearly has a theme, but if you want to listen to some other music instead of the same song after 600 hours of playing, it would definitely be nice.
How old are you?
They would have to be alternates. Playing Saria's Song on Pokemon Stadium just wouldn't make sense.
It's music! doesn't have to make sense. It would be the same as on 360 (and I believe PS3?) using the music swap option with your own music.
Of course, I wasn't the one that started this. This was one of the tracks to Green Hill Zone in Brawl. =P
ShockingAlberto
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Gonna be great when Brawl is lionized and everyone who hated Brawl hates the new Smash.
The stage music was very eclectic, which was a good thing since you had a lot of variety and options to pick from and could use the Music Selector to play just what you want.
It's a different story outside the stage music. The music for Brawl's menus and sub-games are very cohesive and fit well with each other.
...HAL's still around. They released a big Kirby game not two years ago. (And a smaller handheld one.)
I've been playing that game today, it's awesome.
If I saw my fun wacky fighting game become a one character, one stage, no items depression, I'd put in tripping too.
But that's an over blown meme.
As for brawls music I hated one thing. They didn't put the fire emblem theme back for hyrule temple and moved it to castle seige.
Mass Effect
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Oh please. Don't start with that garbage.
How is it possible that people believe this meme? It boggles my mind.
The gameplay department...
Well I'm currently hooked on Project M which is really the best Smash. Most balanced too.
Yes.
I think aside from the subjective combat argument , brawl is a better package than melee. I don't think its arguable, it just gets into nostalgia territory.
People can have preferences though.
Sakurai's kind of a weird guy. The original reason he left in the first place was cause he said he didn't want to keep doing sequels forever, and yet here he is directing 2 SSB games since he left. I can't read his mind, but it seems he clearly has an attachment to SSB, and realizes it's a huge deal to a lot of people. In addition, he probably feels that since he's gotten to work on something original like KI once in a while, it's easier to stomach continuing to work on SSB.
By the way, I just realized Sakurai is one of the few game designers who's been directing games for more than 2 decades now. The only other person I can think of who has done the same is Kojima.
Every time I've seen an organized SSBM game, that's what happens. What exactly makes you think it's overblown?
What. Just a recent tourney had ice climber win.
Well, Iwata outright said (or Sakurai said Iwata told him) that if Sakurai didn't come back for the Wii Smash, Wii's smash would have been Melee with online grafted on it.
I think that was more a threat than a thing they would have actually done, but Iwata really wanted him to come back.
I can't remember the last time I saw a competitive match with 2 Foxes on final destination. Care to link any recent matches?
Apex 2012 Melee singles had the vast majority of players as Fox, every tournament I know of restricts stages to only a handful, of course with Final Destination, and you'd be hard pressed to find serious tournaments with items.
This post moved me. Richie, you are the man and you are so goddamn right on the money.
Yes, it happens sometimes but not all the time. The past 3 Majors in the last couple of months didn't have any Fox dittos in Top 8, much less on Final Destination. There's a variety of characters used in tournaments in general. You're nuts if you think all anyone uses is Fox to win.
You're acting like there's no good reason for having items off when the most obvious blemish of Melee's item switch is the lack of being able to turn off containers. Items on wouldn't make Melee any better, it'd be a ton worse simply because of the random chance of a container spawning and it's one that can explode (and you can't even tell if it's an exploding container or not!) One item on allows containers to spawn in Melee. People tend to miss this point when making a jab at Melee's competitive rules.
I can't find the matchups, but out of the 23 uploaded matches, there were 11 foxes, so 11/46= 24%. That's really far from your no items, Fox only, Final Destination claim.
I don't know why you would want items in a tournament. I want to see how skilled the players are, not how lucky they are.
EatinOlives
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Brawl's soundtrack suffered from way too many amateur-hour arrangements that sounded like something straight out of OC Remix circa 2004. And the soundtrack itself is best appreciated by listening to the tracks on their own and culling a good 40% of the songs, because when you're playing the game proper you're bombarded with three hundred thousand arrangements of the main theme song. We get it, Sakurai, you got Nobuo Uematsu to compose a song for you. You don't need to remind us every fifteen seconds.
Melee was far less of a clusterfuck. Less songs overall, but what was there was much better. Nothing on Brawl touches Fountain of Dreams, Venom, Corneria, or Pokemon Stadium. It all boils down to an issue of quality over quantity.
Melee was far less of a clusterfuck. Less songs overall, but what was there was much better. Nothing on Brawl touches Fountain of Dreams, Venom, Corneria, or Pokemon Stadium. It all boils down to an issue of quality over quantity.
Hero of Legend
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Yyyyyyyep.