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Apple CEO Tim Cook spotted at video game designer Valve's headquarters
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If publishers are setting prices, they can compete on price. If Amazon is setting prices (and Apple was never in the e-book business), nobody is competing on price, and everyone pays what Amazon says they pay.
Considering Amazon sells Kindles at a tiny profit margin, and Kindle Fires at a loss, that's a good reason to suspect they would gouge on content, like books. They have to make money somehow. But it will never be an issue now because they have to compete with publisher pricing on Apple's store.
funkystudent
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Steamplay on iOS would be pretty sweet.
But I dont see Valve giving Apple a cut of games sold on steam and I dont see Apple letting Valve sell stuff on iOS without giving apple a 33% cut.
I still say Valve will be stage demoing something when apple debuts the new Mac range this summer. Maybe they are working with Apple to have better graphics drivers on Mac OS and maybe working on a apple game controller for Mac and iOS.
A apple conference >>>> E3 when it comes to getting your stuff in the public eye.
But I dont see Valve giving Apple a cut of games sold on steam and I dont see Apple letting Valve sell stuff on iOS without giving apple a 33% cut.
I still say Valve will be stage demoing something when apple debuts the new Mac range this summer. Maybe they are working with Apple to have better graphics drivers on Mac OS and maybe working on a apple game controller for Mac and iOS.
A apple conference >>>> E3 when it comes to getting your stuff in the public eye.
dream
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But nobody is being excluded under this new model. More people are playing games because gaming is more accessible and has less of a stigma attached to it now. Something like the iPad offers everything from the most casual of games to wonderfully complex "hardcore" games. The problem is some people just can't deal with the idea of gaming without a d-pad and 4 face buttons. I mean, shit, look at how people derided the Wii as "waggle bullshit." Or the sheer vitriol directed at iPad gaming. But outside of the "hardcore gaming" bubble, nobody cares.
deejay8595
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Good one lol
Apple doesn't set book prices. The publishers do, just like on the App Store. Apples mistake was demanding that no other book selling service be allowed to sell for less than they do.
Agreed. Shit is terrible for gaming
Show me an iOS device with proper controls and I would be more inclined to agree with you.
If you are that willing to blindly stand by touch controls and have faith that a high priced touch game can succeed, I honestly have nothing further to say to you. I would happily eat my words if such a game could succeed, but I know any hardcore gamer would MUCH rather play a game on any number of platforms with proper controls rather than settling for touch.
I know Apple doesn't set the book prices but the reason they are part of the suit from the DOJ is they were just as responsible for organizing the price fixing of the ebooks.
Anyway this is completely offtopic for this thread and we should continue it in that thread in offtopic.
I H8 Memes
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Somewhat similar to the 80's crash. It wasn't E.T. that killed gaming, it was the chuck wagon types of games. Cheap disposable games that brought down the reputation of all games after being bought by non-gamers who didn't know the difference between a chuck wagon and pac man.
Perfect! Two arms that sport form over function!
I'm being excluded under this new model, millions are. Can I play something like Assassin's Creed (just an example) with this new model? Nope, buttons are needed as is a higher pricing structure which is still unproven.
I'm fine with co-existance, I'm fine with a platform that can offer something for everyone like Steam, but Apple taking over with what they offer right now would exclude a lot of people.
Dreams-Visions
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Taking over? That appears to be neither their goal nor desire, so why are people even talking about it. It's absurd.
Extreme-GAF is extreme.
How exactly does Apple "take over", if there is a market with millions of people who want a button based Assassin's Creed? (and they can't get that experience on any Apple based device).
edgefusion
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Tim Cook visiting Valve obviously means they are about to buyout Valve, Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo. The next thing you know they will send out Apple-employees to steal our money and force casual touch-based gaming consoles into our hands! IT"S THE END OF THE WORLD! RUN! SCREAM! DIE! AGHHHH! DRAMAAAAA
ClovingWestbrook
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Keep your casual hands off my hardcore games!
It seems to be an un-intentional consequence. Unlike a lot of people here I do not deny their threat to dedicated handhelds and I see the possibility of them offering some sort of streaming service between ipad and their TVs to possibly combat consoles in the future.
AirPlay Mirroring already exists.
Mihos
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I actually agree with this point...
Although I think gaming is a much bigger industry than it was in the 80s.... now if Dark Souls 2 got announced as an iPhone game, brought to you by Taco Bell.. I may have to go with ClovingSteam on this!
How to murder sony/ms in one fell swoop. Now that Steve is gone, Apple can really really care about games. Since Jobs disliked them. Bungie went to Apple first to bail them out after their financial troubles. Apple gave them the cold shoulder then. Oops.
Hcoregamer00
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If Tim Cook is getting advice on pushing iOS further into gaming and getting Valve's support, I am cool with that.
Ogrekiller
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HL3 would be a bad choice in that case.
COD/Dota/Starcraft exclusivity on the other hand, would be a giant blow.
Dreams-Visions
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Don't need CEOs to meet for that. Probably not.
Salary is probably about 5% or less of his compensation. I wouldn't be surprised if his total comp for 2012 is over $50 million given the strong stock performance.
dream
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I don't completely disagree with your example, but we're still in the infancy of touch-based gaming. As developers start designing their games around the idea of button-free controls, things will start to look different.
It's not a perfect example, but this reminds me a lot of how we moved from keyboard and mouse to dual analog for fps games. Is it as precise and in depth (in terms of number of key bindings) as kbm? No, but it comes close thanks to things like aim assist and it's far more accessible and that's the important thing.
Its an apple thread. Both sides have such excesses of stupidity they have to release the pressure.
faceless007
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He probably just went to personally complain to Gabe about the Steam iPhone app.
I disagree. It was the '82/'83 recession (it was bad as the '08/'09 one) coupled with the fact that consoles could not even come close to arcade machines of the time. After repeatedly getting burned by arcade 'conversions', the public left home video games and went to arcades instead. Arcade machines were in their golden age from 82-86.
Also, you had the boom of personal computers happening at the same time. The C-64 had posted billion dollar years in 1983 and 1984.
So, it had less to do with Chuck Wagon and Journey Escape and more to do with Atari Pac-Man and Jungle Hunt.
Dreams-Visions
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:-/
Why people talk about it? Because there are many people out there, who really wish this to happen. Not only normal customers and fanboys, also developer, publisher and press talk about this possible future. If the iPhone/iPad really would kill the Handhelds and in someway (maybe with Valve help, which is the point of this thread) also the consoles, then Apple would have control over a big piece of gaming. Unless a bunch of people, i don't want Apple to have so much control over anything, especially over gaming which they don't care for (the most important point for me).
Ogrekiller
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I wouldn't be surprised if it cook was visiting to talk about merging the Steam ios app with game center, or they're getting valve to design the next game center.
But that's because the thought of a steam box that only works exclusively with the new Apple television set is a horrifying prospect to me.
But I will wait and see.
bahaha, Would be hilarious. Valve is just trying to find ways to troll us by inviting him out to do voice overs.
SapientWolf
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I don't think that Apple is the company that's undercutting Valve. Really it's Intel and their partners, because the integrated graphics chips they put in all their PCs are woefully inadequate for modern PC gaming. AMD's APUs, on the other hand, are able to handle everything at about 720p/30fps. But it's too little too late, because desktops are on the outs.
ClovingWestbrook
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Hmm, Valve designing the iOS controller :O
Hellsing321
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As if iTunes wasn't already bloated enough.
I don't see the solution for this problems of gaming to be part of an App Store, where the same could easily happen again (if it isnt already happening).
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