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Koroviev said:
As much as I love Steam, it is arguably the most widely accepted form of DRM in PC gaming. While it's very open with respect to hardware, it's very restrictive as it concerns software.
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The PC is an open platform. Steam isn't open but it competes on an open platform.
 
Cheebo said:
Would anyone at GAF NOT buy a hypothetical Apple Steambox game console?
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It depends.

If they push their strategy with their other products (ie: yearly refresh with incrementally higher specs) then no.

If they try sell overpriced hardware with a pretty shell that costs more money to make simply because the ram inside is packed neater, then no.

If they they to sell me a gaming experience that relies on a fucking touchpad as its main way of interaction, then no.

If they try to sell me a game system where the only way of getting their games is through a piece of online software because they took out the disc drive, then no.

And if they sell me a game box with ALL of the above combined, then I will make threads and be the most entitled, whining, spoiled crybaby of a gamer you will ever see, until 4 of the mods hold me down while Evilore swings his banhammer personally into my face.

But until they announce that, I will reserve judgement.

Oh and if Valve is involved in this, I would hope that they tell Apple to fuck off if they try anything funny. Like removing buttons or making a console a perfect cube just because it looks pretty.
 
Cheebo said:
Would anyone at GAF NOT buy a hypothetical Apple Steambox game console?
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I wouldn't. My Steam library is built on DirectX by and large and I don't want to lose access to the content I already have. There isn't going to be an Apple Steambox so the question isn't worth pondering.
 
Cheebo said:
Would anyone at GAF NOT buy a hypothetical Apple Steambox game console?
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Exactly what kind of judgment would we be making off of nothing but the promise of some mystery collaboration between two brands? Your question is implied to have a naturally affirmative response, when it really doesn't.
 
Weird. Maybe that Valve-controller floating around will be the official Apple Bluetooth controller or something? I don't see Apple letting Valve SELL games through Steam on the iPad, but maybe they want the ability to play them...sort of like how the Kindle app works. What makes this rumor even stranger are the recent comments Valve made concerning their fear over an Apple console taking over.

Anyhow, if I had to guess it's either that controller, a more fully featured Steam-client sans store on iOS, or just a game.
 
CoG said:
True and Tim Cook is not sitting around saying, "What would Steve do?" He's doing his own thing.
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That's the whole problem.

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mantidor said:
people...

Steam is already in Mac devices.

A CEO vising might be big but jumping to the conclusion that there's going to be a new console is pushing it a bit. It can be something just related to the already existing Steam Mac support.
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that sounds more like something where an email would suffice..
 
drewface said:
that sounds more like something where an email would suffice..
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Gawd, people are daft sometimes. We have no evidence of any partnership between Apple and Valve. In the very same article, Gabe says that Apple comes up and ask them for advice and never follows it. We need to quit jumping to conclusions.
 
Ulairi said:
Gawd, people are daft sometimes. We have no evidence of any partnership between Apple and Valve. In the very same article, Gabe says that Apple comes up and ask them for advice and never follows it. We need to quit jumping to conclusions.
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Apple sent nobodies to them. Not the CEO.
 
Cheebo said:
Might though in the end just be Gabe showing up on stage at WWDC in June to show off the hardware on the new Macs by playing CS:GO.
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I don't think Tim Cook personally visited the Epic offices to ask them if they would mind demoing Infinity Blade at the conferences.
 
Is there any reasons why Apple want to buy Steam anyways?

For all I know, Apple will make Steam over priced by just branding it with their Apple Logo.
 
kameha5th said:
Is there any reasons why Apple want to buy Steam anyways?

For all I know, Apple will make Steam over priced by just branding it with their Apple Logo.
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Because the App store is notorious for its overpriced games right?

Edit: and I highly doubt Apple would ever buy Steam.
 
kameha5th said:
Is there any reasons why Apple want to buy Steam anyways?
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Well they could merge Steam with the app store, sort of make Steam into a dedicated gaming section of the store with all the online features etc. And of course having Steam be Mac exclusive would be valuable in itself.
 
Am i the only one who said "oh shit" out loud when reading the thread title?

Anyway, i don't think sony, MS, and nintendo have anything to worry about with whatever apple does in gaming. They're well established in the industry and they all have franchises apple will never see and therefore keep their platforms viable for a long time.

I think we'll see an apple console eventually. The money hats between MS and apple will be lol worthy.
 
OTIX said:
Well they could merge Steam with the app store, sort of make Steam into a dedicated gaming section of the store with all the online features etc. And of course having Steam be Mac exclusive would be valuable in itself.
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Apple would have to axe the mobility cards and think up some gaming-friendly cases.
 
OTIX said:
Well they could merge Steam with the app store, sort of make Steam into a dedicated gaming section of the store with all the online features etc. And of course having Steam be Mac exclusive would be valuable in itself.
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Do you think about these things before you post? Have you ever used Steam before? Do you own a PC and game on it? Have you compared the library of games for Steam PC/Mac? The Mac isn't built for gaming. The iMac doesn't even have a GPU that can support its resolution. Have you thought at all about incompatibility? What has made Steam so successful is that Valve and Steam takes PC gaming seriously. Did you think about any of this before you posted?
 
The reason I think a buyout is illogical is not just due to the whole Valve philosophy, but also due to Valve's growth. 6 or 7 years ago, anyone buying out Valve would have valued them as a talented, acclaimed developer with several attractive IPs. Steam was just a funny little side project.

Now Steam most likely makes up a huge majority of Valve's revenue, and dominates the Digital Distribution corner of the PC gaming market. No doubt their theoretical value is now many times higher than it was a number of years ago. I don't think any potential buyer would have seen that coming.
 
OmniAvenger said:
This is dumbest non-story I've read in a while.

If Tim Cook was spotted going through a McDonald's drive-in, would one automatically assume Apple was about to buy the company?

If Tim Cook was spotted coming out of a dental office would one assume the Apple is about to get into a whole line of orthodontic equipment?

If Tim Cook shat himself in public would one extrapolate that Apple will open public toilets on every street corner?

Maybe if you were insane. This is like reading tea leaves and staring at inkblots and seeing things that aren't there. Get a grip!
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lol, awesome
 
Guerrillas in the Mist said:
The reason I think a buyout is illogical is not just due to the whole Valve philosophy, but also due to Valve's growth. 6 or 7 years ago, anyone buying out Valve would have valued them as a talented, acclaimed developer with several attractive IPs. Steam was just a funny little side project.

Now Steam most likely makes up a huge majority of Valve's revenue, and dominates the Digital Distribution corner of the PC gaming market. No doubt their theoretical value is now many times higher than it was a number of years ago. I don't think any potential buyer would have seen that coming.
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Many declared PC gaming as dead not too long ago.
 
Akia said:
Here's my prediction:

Valve wants to sell games via Steam to Chinese customers without having to partner with a Chinese middle man company to handle all the transactions. I think Valve is seeking Apple because Apple has already figured out how to get their App Store and iTunes (Windows/OS X) to Chinese customers without splitting a 20-30% of the potential revenue with a China based middle man company. In the rest of the world, Valve gives 70% of the revenues back to the developer and keeps 30% for themselves (just like the App Store, percentages also vary depending on the deal). I think a giving Apple 10-15% cut of all revenue generated from Steam in China is their best move to bring Dota 2 and Steam to China. Better to get in bed with a US based company that actually adheres into intellectual property law than a Chinese partner that will just copy Steam's front/backend infrastructure wholesale in order to release their own knockoff version. A deal like this would also help strengthen Apple and Valve's relationship.
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Great post Akia. You're the man
 
Akia said:
Here's my prediction:

Valve wants to sell games via Steam to Chinese customers without having to partner with a Chinese middle man company to handle all the transactions. I think Valve is seeking Apple because Apple has already figured out how to get their App Store and iTunes (Windows/OS X) to Chinese customers without splitting a 20-30% of the potential revenue with a China based middle man company. In the rest of the world, Valve gives 70% of the revenues back to the developer and keeps 30% for themselves (just like the App Store, percentages also vary depending on the deal). I think a giving Apple 10-15% cut of all revenue generated from Steam in China is their best move to bring Dota 2 and Steam to China. Better to get in bed with a US based company that actually adheres into intellectual property law than a Chinese partner that will just copy Steam's front/backend infrastructure wholesale in order to release their own knockoff version. A deal like this would also help strengthen Apple and Valve's relationship.
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Well there you go. Thread is over.
Can't believe I missed this. Incredible.
 
Akia said:
Here's my prediction:

Valve wants to sell games via Steam to Chinese customers without having to partner with a Chinese middle man company to handle all the transactions. I think Valve is seeking Apple because Apple has already figured out how to get their App Store and iTunes (Windows/OS X) to Chinese customers without splitting a 20-30% of the potential revenue with a China based middle man company. In the rest of the world, Valve gives 70% of the revenues back to the developer and keeps 30% for themselves (just like the App Store, percentages also vary depending on the deal). I think a giving Apple 10-15% cut of all revenue generated from Steam in China is their best move to bring Dota 2 and Steam to China. Better to get in bed with a US based company that actually adheres into intellectual property law than a Chinese partner that will just copy Steam's front/backend infrastructure wholesale in order to release their own knockoff version. A deal like this would also help strengthen Apple and Valve's relationship.
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Akia said:
Here's my prediction:

Valve wants to sell games via Steam to Chinese customers without having to partner with a Chinese middle man company to handle all the transactions. I think Valve is seeking Apple because Apple has already figured out how to get their App Store and iTunes (Windows/OS X) to Chinese customers without splitting a 20-30% of the potential revenue with a China based middle man company. In the rest of the world, Valve gives 70% of the revenues back to the developer and keeps 30% for themselves (just like the App Store, percentages also vary depending on the deal). I think a giving Apple 10-15% cut of all revenue generated from Steam in China is their best move to bring Dota 2 and Steam to China. Better to get in bed with a US based company that actually adheres into intellectual property law than a Chinese partner that will just copy Steam's front/backend infrastructure wholesale in order to release their own knockoff version. A deal like this would also help strengthen Apple and Valve's relationship.
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Akia said:
Great post Akia. You're the man
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Account switch fail?
 
Akia said:
Here's my prediction:

Valve wants to sell games via Steam to Chinese customers without having to partner with a Chinese middle man company to handle all the transactions. I think Valve is seeking Apple because Apple has already figured out how to get their App Store and iTunes (Windows/OS X) to Chinese customers without splitting a 20-30% of the potential revenue with a China based middle man company. In the rest of the world, Valve gives 70% of the revenues back to the developer and keeps 30% for themselves (just like the App Store, percentages also vary depending on the deal). I think a giving Apple 10-15% cut of all revenue generated from Steam in China is their best move to bring Dota 2 and Steam to China. Better to get in bed with a US based company that actually adheres into intellectual property law than a Chinese partner that will just copy Steam's front/backend infrastructure wholesale in order to release their own knockoff version. A deal like this would also help strengthen Apple and Valve's relationship.
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Apple has zero experience with getting core games (or games in general) in the hands of Chinese consumers. This post shows you do not understand how gaming is really done in China. There are going to be Chinese middle men because gaming in china (the type of games Valve is trying to get there, DOTA 2) is done in net cafes and Apple has ZERO experience with that.

NEXT?
 
I guess the question is why wouldn't Apple want to work with Valve? Their interests are perfectly aligned -- Valve's moving beyond the PC at the same time Apple's making a move for the living room. Does anyone really believe that Apple wouldn't want to have a hand in gaming? Especially after they accidentally took over the mobile gaming market?
 
dream said:
I guess the question is why wouldn't Apple want to work with Valve? Their interests are perfectly aligned -- Valve's moving beyond the PC at the same time Apple's making a move for the living room. Does anyone really believe that Apple wouldn't want to have a hand in gaming? Especially after they accidentally took over the mobile gaming market?
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Valve is moving beyond the PC how? The whole idea of the Valve Box was about the PC it was never going to be a traditional console.
 
Ogrekiller said:
It depends.

If they push their strategy with their other products (ie: yearly refresh with incrementally higher specs) then no.

If they try sell overpriced hardware with a pretty shell that costs more money to make simply because the ram inside is packed neater, then no.

If they they to sell me a gaming experience that relies on a fucking touchpad as its main way of interaction, then no.

If they try to sell me a game system where the only way of getting their games is through a piece of online software because they took out the disc drive, then no.

And if they sell me a game box with ALL of the above combined, then I will make threads and be the most entitled, whining, spoiled crybaby of a gamer you will ever see, until 4 of the mods hold me down while Evilore swings his banhammer personally into my face.

But until they announce that, I will reserve judgement.

Oh and if Valve is involved in this, I would hope that they tell Apple to fuck off if they try anything funny. Like removing buttons or making a console a perfect cube just because it looks pretty.
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well you're already per-emptively whining so...
 
Ulairi said:
Valve is moving beyond the PC how? The whole idea of the Valve Box was about the PC it was never going to be a traditional console.
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Why couldn't they team up with Apple and use Mac internals running OSX tailored towards Valve's needs instead of PC internals? Valve releases all their software on Mac as is, third parties may not but Valve puts all their games on Mac
 
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