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Buckethead said:
Not agreed. No one wants a shitload of clutter and bullshit, okay maybe Droid users, but they're wicked retahded. Kidding.
...sorta.

If you want to know the weather boot up WeatherBug/Weather Channel or go outside.
If you want to check your mail, slide your finger, and look for the red dot.

Could they do a push notification system or something? Sure, but no no no to the hideous widget assfuckery like most modders do with iPhone's homescreen.
Fair enough, or I could just power it on with one push and see that info without doing anything else. Seems awfully convenient to me.

I'm not advocating the kind of widget shit that allows the user to do whatever the hell they want to the device, but I have no doubt in my mind that Apple can implement similar functionality in an elegant way without it looking like ass, especially on a 10" display.
 
Its functions and features sound pretty good but i don't know, it looks pretty bad like a huge ipod touch...

If i bought this 1000 dollar apple laptop thingy and i dropped it, considering how thin it is, i would literally shit myself.

I think i would rather stick with a normal laptop but then again, those damn apple applications and surfing the net using your fingers look so damn good
 
Buckethead said:
Not agreed. No one wants a shitload of clutter and bullshit, okay maybe Droid users, but they're wicked retahded. Kidding.
...sorta.
I'm sorry, what?
 
RE: monkeyX dude

Seeing how there's no AT&T thing they could put it in the header/menubar area, but time is convenient because most people don't have watches anymore. A simple click to check it on the go.

In contrast, most people will be using iPads inside, so there's really no point of quick conveniences like that. On the iPhone maybe, I'll give you that, I suppose quick menubar style updates would be nice for some people. But on the whole I'm sure they want to preserve the elegance of the device.

But whatever to each their own.
 
Gamer @ Heart said:
Dammit apple.

They purposefully leave stuff like a camera out so they could put it in next years version.

Yeah like they left out the PCMCIA slot, Firewire, Audio Input, DisplayPort, ISDN Modem...

You have to draw a line somewhere. The way Apple see it is your phone has a camera, your Mac has a camera, you also have a FRIKKEN CAMERA.

This isn't a replacement computer. On the 6 days of the year you use iChat, Skype, whatever, use your damn computer.
 
With a front facing camera the thing would make an excellent videoconferencing tool. I find its lack strange, personally.

I saw some mentions of an HP Slate in this thread, does anyone have any actual links to detailed info/specs on it? I'm curious and google is failing me. Lots of vague marketingy videos but no hard textual info on it.
 
Burger said:
Yeah like they left out the PCMCIA slot, Firewire, Audio Input, DisplayPort, ISDN Modem...

You have to draw a line somewhere. The way Apple see it is your phone has a camera, your Mac has a camera, you also have a FRIKKEN CAMERA.

This isn't a replacement computer. On the 6 days of the year you use iChat, Skype, whatever, use your damn computer.

:lol :lol :lol :lol

Ok, I think you've sold me. Pass me that Kool-Aid; I gotta know what it tastes like!
 
XMonkey said:
Fair enough, or I could just power it on with one push and see that info without doing anything else. Seems awfully convenient to me.

I'm not advocating the kind of widget shit that allows the user to do whatever the hell they want to the device, but I have no doubt in my mind that Apple can implement similar functionality in an elegant way without it looking like ass, especially on a 10" display.

I say combine it with multitasking. One position in the dock is highlighted - drag an app there, and the app icon appears there (in addition to it's regular position) what ever app is sitting there is always open and running. And it appears on the lock screen as a small centred widget - that way you can have one app always running, or have it on your lock screen. Will open opportunities for some creative apps with interesting pause screens. To close, drag it off the dock *poof*.
 
maharg said:
With a front facing camera the thing would make an excellent videoconferencing tool. I find its lack strange, personally.

I saw some mentions of an HP Slate in this thread, does anyone have any actual links to detailed info/specs on it? I'm curious and google is failing me. Lots of vague marketingy videos but no hard textual info on it.

I agree a front facing camera seems like a natural for this device. Make a Photo Booth app, and that's a great demo (I constantly see people playing with this on demo macs). Take fun pictures and add them to your contacts. Mess about with self portraits and multitouch distortion.

You can video conference just with your tablet on a couch, get iChat up and running for it. Girls can use it for a mirror to put on their lipstick, and men can adjust their toupees.

I admit, it's probably rare to video conference for most people, but I frequently skype call my girlfriend who lives overseas. And how about video recording to add to the youtube app and directly upload? Seems like a camera is a natural for the iPad 'feel'.
 
maharg said:
With a front facing camera the thing would make an excellent videoconferencing tool. I find its lack strange, personally.

I saw some mentions of an HP Slate in this thread, does anyone have any actual links to detailed info/specs on it? I'm curious and google is failing me. Lots of vague marketingy videos but no hard textual info on it.
It's a big secret still, lolz. My guess is an N450 Atom w maybe the Broadcom video chip option. Capacitive multitouch is confirmed, however.
 
Burger said:
Yeah like they left out the PCMCIA slot, Firewire, Audio Input, DisplayPort, ISDN Modem...

You have to draw a line somewhere. The way Apple see it is your phone has a camera, your Mac has a camera, you also have a FRIKKEN CAMERA.

This isn't a replacement computer. On the 6 days of the year you use iChat, Skype, whatever, use your damn computer.
I don't see how any of those compare to a camera, though. Camera on the front would've been awesome.
 
Gamer @ Heart said:
Dammit apple.

They purposefully leave stuff like a camera out so they could put it in next years version.

Agreed. That's why it's a "wait and see" game. Apple fanatics will go out for it day 1, others will definitely wait.

Which is fine with me, Apple saved $499 for me!
 
work has pretty much confirmed for me that they will get one considering I'm practically tied into moblieme and the squarespace app. I appreciate the gesture, but lack of multitasking and a more advanced hardware system is a little disappointing. At least voip is confirmed in the new sdk, so I'll at least be able to bug friends on the road ~
 
Stabby McSter said:
I don't see how any of those compare to a camera, though. Camera on the front would've been awesome.

The subtext is that it does not matter what redundant part or piece of technology is missing, someone will always complain that without this key ingredient, the device is just short of 'perfect'.

I'm not trying to say that a camera would be largely useless, just largely pointless.

mrkgoo said:
Is that like Raro?

My hidden shame!
 
Buckethead said:
Not agreed. No one wants a shitload of clutter and bullshit, okay maybe Droid users, but they're wicked retahded. Kidding.
...sorta.

If you want to know the weather boot up WeatherBug/Weather Channel or go outside.
If you want to check your mail, slide your finger, and look for the red dot.

Droid users are retarded? Why? Because they like a different phone than you do? I am sure you can see the advantage of widgets but do not want to admit it.

maharg said:
With a front facing camera the thing would make an excellent videoconferencing tool. I find its lack strange, personally.

I saw some mentions of an HP Slate in this thread, does anyone have any actual links to detailed info/specs on it? I'm curious and google is failing me. Lots of vague marketingy videos but no hard textual info on it.

Engadget had a video about it the other day but it may be the same video that you have already seen.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/26/hp-slate-teases-us-with-another-video-appearance/
 
mrkgoo said:
I say combine it with multitasking. One position in the dock is highlighted - drag an app there, and the app icon appears there (in addition to it's regular position) what ever app is sitting there is always open and running. And it appears on the lock screen as a small centred widget - that way you can have one app always running, or have it on your lock screen. Will open opportunities for some creative apps with interesting pause screens. To close, drag it off the dock *poof*.
Meh, that's just a crutch to not offer complete multitasking--it obviously doesn't scale well (unless Apple is going to make something like that jailbreak utility, infinidock). Apple is slipping, if iPhone OS 4.0 doesn't offer a proper multitasking and notifications system then I'll be picking up a WebOS device when my contact ends later this year.

How A Great Product Can Be Bad News: Apple, iPad, and the Closed Mac
Apple’s iPad is here. It starts at $499. It’s a gorgeous, brilliantly-designed device that has the benefits of Apple’s cleverly-engineered, best-in-class developer tools for mobile. A lot are likely to sell. And unfortunately, to me that means bad news for the kind of creative computing we talk about on this site.

To put it briefly, I think the new, mobile Apple is doing immense harm to the computing legacy the company has forged. We could have had a Mac tablet today. Instead, we have a giant iPhone – and that’s a decision that has some serious repercussions. It’s a blow to open source alternatives, but also to open development in general: the power of interchangeable hardware and software, on which everything we do with music and visuals on computers is based.

For years, the Mac community railed against the perceived closed nature of Microsoft. Now, many are rallying behind an Apple with a vision more closed than Redmond’s.

This is important to both CDMs, because it’s on both these sites that I, along with readers and contributors, have advocated open computing as a creative outlet, for creation, sharing, and distribution of music, visuals, and knowledge.

I’m entirely biased by my own perspective. There are certain things I care about, that I believe in. I can talk about the technical, measurable values of each of those, but I can only speak for myself. With that in mind, the iPad, in a single device, embodies the exact opposite of all the reasons I’ve invested so much time in computing for the last 25 years...

Limitations are a wonderful thing. Specialized operating systems for mobile make perfect sense. But that’s a design decision – it’s about the interface, the developer tools, the hardware. A mobile device can work just as well without being tied to iTunes or with actual ports on it.

I know what the objection will be: but this computer isn’t “for” people like me. But that’s the whole problem. Apple threatens to split computing into two markets, one for “traditional,” “real” computers, and another for passive consumption devices that try to play games without physical controls and let you read books, watch movies, play music, and run apps so long as you’re willing to go through the conduit of a single company.

And, of course, this wouldn’t be worth my breath if not for my real concern: what if Apple actually succeeds? What if competitors follow this broken path, or fail to offer strong alternatives? The iPad today is a heck of a lot slicker than alternatives. It’s bad news for Linux, Windows, and Android, none of which have really workable competitors yet. It’s especially bad for Linux, in fact, which had a real chance to make its mark on mobile devices.

These issues have always been a matter of open debate. Jean-Louis Gassée infamously got an “OPEN MAC” license plate for his car during the early days of Apple Macintosh. The “open” vision was the vision we got. It’s the Mac II. It’s the expansion capabilities of the Mac that allowed PostScript support, which let the Mac launch computer desktop publishing and ensured the survival of the platform. And it was a vision in contrast to that of one (younger) Steve Jobs, who argued against expansion and nearly made the Mac a failure, another forgotten 80s oddity. It was after Jobs was forced out of the company that the Mac platform, the Mac community as we now know it were really forged, built on the expansion and flexibility those later Macs offered. That expansion port was what enabled early products from Digidesign, which would later become Pro Tools – the very birth of digital audio production.

Like I said, I’m biased by my own opinion. But it’d be unfair, after years of being hard on small developers when it comes to issues of openness, if I held back here. This is the world’s self-proclaimed “largest mobile manufacturer,” the company that, as it reminds us in every press release, launched the computing revolution. I wish I understood why they were now running away from some of the basic ideas that made that revolution possible...

I didn't quote half of the article so click the link if you found that bit interesting.

John Gruber was saying today that the iPad doesn't have a filesystem. What nonsense, of course it has a filesystem, you're just prevented from seeing and using it if you so chose.

It's incredulously wrong for anybody to argue that for Apple had to lock down the iPad to make it easy to use. There is such a thing as layer complexity, only revealing the hidden sophisticated features to those who ask. But there is no need to do theoreticals here; there is already a device out that is extremely easy to use, designed for children even, yet incredibly open. While the OLPC program might have failed in fulfilling many of its broader social and political goals, the XO Laptop that it produced is a great device. It has a simplified file system and UI but is still extremely transparent. Heck there is even an app that teaches you how to program! I wonder: if I give my little niece an iPad will she grow to love computers like I do or just become adept at watching movies bought from the iTunes Store?

MrPliskin said:
Honestly, this just makes me want a WebOS enabled device of similar size. Badly.
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Looks nifty, I can see enjoying the product at home as a mean of browsing the web on the couch, in the kitchen well everywhere that isn't in front of my computer.

The size of its screen means great thing for e-comics. While offerings on iPhone and PSP didn't interested me a bit, I can see something cool happening on this front for the iPad.

My gripes are the lack of Flash (or the lack of widespread HTML5 video) and the LCD screen making the eReader capabilities not so sexy thinking about eyestrain concerns.

Talking about the screen, does anyone know if an OLED version in the future is possible or just Sci-Fi at this point?

I'd like one, but I'll wait for a couple of upgrade before coughing up the 500€.
 
Charred Greyface said:
It's incredulously wrong for anybody to argue that for Apple had to lock down the iPad to make it easy to use.

If you pile on the 'easy to use' argument with 'easy to police', 'easy to maintain quality' and 'easy to enforce human interface guidelines' with several other arguments the agenda becomes clear.

I'm not saying it's the right way or the wrong way. Who the fuck knows, nobody else has an app store nearly as large that is completely open. It's unknown territory, and if you believe this sort of 'managed user space' idea is going to encroach onto your home computer, then you are smoking some whack shit.

Sure, Apple maybe would like to see the user space of the desktop computer become a little more less tied to the idea of folders and directories, but it's nothing to fear. You still need to develop applications on something.

I'm sure Apple do poke their head into the chaos that is the Android App Store and snicker to themselves at all the apps that may or may not work on your device, the 'hit me up for hot sex at a19679@aol.com' user reviews, and the wonky user interface designs and think to themselves "Well at least we got it right."
 
John gruber comments on the speed of A4, and the relevance of Apple making its own chips:

http://daringfireball.net/2010/01/ipad_big_picture


Jason Calacanis tries to clean up his mess on twitter:

http://twitter.com/Jason


Apple try to claim 4:3 is widescreen:

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Also, it occurs to me point-and-click (touch) adventures will be amazing if made for the full res for this thing.
 
I have to admit that when I was reading the live blogs I was consumed by nerd-rage, specially after I read about the name, specs and about it just being a big iPod touch....

....but now after hearing the price and seeing all the hands-on videos and impressions I kinda want, we'll see :lol
 
ridley182 said:
I have to admit that when I was reading the live blogs I was consumed by nerd-rage, specially after I read about the name, specs and about it just being a big iPod touch....

....but now after hearing the price and seeing all the hands-on videos and impressions I kinda want, we'll see :lol

That's good. I'm in full damage control defense alert, and I'm pooped. I'm going to have to take it easy tomorrow. Hopefully it won't be such a tough job.
 
mrkgoo said:
That's good. I'm in full damage control defense alert, and I'm pooped. I'm going to have to take it easy tomorrow. Hopefully it won't be such a tough job.

Yeah I'm out. What was that list that someone posted in the other thread, it had a quote on it that went something like:

"People will write off the tablet as useless because it's missing xxxxx feature, and will wait until it comes out with xxxxx. Device comes out with xxxxx and they still don't buy it."

Quite relevant.
 
Burger said:
Yeah I'm out. What was that list that someone posted in the other thread, it had a quote on it that went something like:

"People will write off the tablet as useless because it's missing xxxxx feature, and will wait until it comes out with xxxxx. Device comes out with xxxxx and they still don't buy it."

Quite relevant.

...that can easily be flipped.

"People will fawn over the tablet and underplay it's missing xxxxxx feature only to turn around and fawn over the next revision for featuring the formerly missing xxxxxx feature."
 
WickedAngel said:
...that can easily be flipped.

"People will fawn over the tablet and underplay it's missing xxxxxx feature only to turn around and fawn over the next revision for featuring the formerly missing xxxxxx feature."

Not so much flipped. Just add it to the bottom.

Anyway, it's because it couldn't be done right until then. ;)

In other news, I just watched "The Fountain" for the first time last night. I found it baffling.
 
MIMIC said:
What the hell is this thing? What's it supposed to be replacing/an upgrade of?
It's a little baffling right now, but I think it's a forward thinking attempt by Apple to put their foot in the door of a soon to be incredibly important industry.

Obviously it needs to be developed and improved a lot in future revisions, but I think iPad is a prototype device that represents the future of personal computing. At first I thought, 'so what, it's a giant iPod', but now I think that's the whole point. That's the way PCs are going.
 
I watched some of the conference on Sky News this morning. How many times can Jobs fit 'it's that simple' into one press conference exactly? Got kinda annoying.
 
I'm liking some of the gestures they put in to navigate the photos, namely pinch to expand a stack, or pinch to close. We need to see more of this kind of thing (and Mac os x gestures) through out the other apps, maybe even on the home screen.

I'm hoping iPhoto '10 has a similar looking stack setup - looks slick.

I'm excited for it.
 
Opus Angelorum said:
Such a disappointment, revolutionary this is not.

Reminds me of the bit Louis C.K. did on Letterman:

"People always moaning about how their flight was delayed, had to taxi on the runway for 20 minutes, the food on the plane was crap, the seat was uncomfortable, all the while forgetting they are participating in the miracle of flight! In a chair! In the sky at 40,000 feet!"

I'm not buying a iPad, I don't need one, but even I can't deny that this thing will be huge.
 
How does one lay a flat device flat and type on it and see what the hell you are doing?

Oh wait, you can connect a keyboard to it and put it on a stand.

I thought this would be a full-featured tablet PC, bit disappointed in it, but hopefully it paves the way for Apple.
 
Burger said:
Reminds me of the bit Louis C.K. did on Letterman:

"People always moaning about how their flight was delayed, had to taxi on the runway for 20 minutes, the food on the plane was crap, the seat was uncomfortable, all the while forgetting they are participating in the miracle of flight! In a chair! In the sky at 40,000 feet!"

I'm not buying a iPad, I don't need one, but even I can't deny that this thing will be huge.

iPod huge? iPhone huge? I see it selling 3 to 4 million a year.
 
disappointed in the pricing+internal memory size, also pretty bummed that this is almost exactly the iphone os with some app specific things added, i was hoping for more of a hybrid of the 2

design is sexy though
 
I think I would have been fine with the iPad if it ran Leopard instead of the iPhone OS.

There's something about the app-driven iPad that makes it seem more like an accessory than a serious workstation. I think about how I'm going to use the iPad and nothing serious or academic comes to mind, except for the iBooks function.

Has pocket WiFi technology penetrated the U.S. yet? In Japan, companies sell mobile data plans that you can access through a WiFi dongle. So the dongle emits WiFi and receives a 3G signal. Creative people can pair the thing with an iPod touch to make it work just like an iPhone. I think getting one of those will be more practical than getting a 3G iPad model.
 
this just in: anecdotal evidence!

The iPad appeals to my mom, who is both computer alliterate and perfectly fine with her current stupid phone. In other words, she thinks an iphone is a bit much.

But for some baffling reason she wants one of these pieces of shit.
 
iamcool388 said:
So i'm guessing there is no chance of MS-Office being on the iPad? I've never used Pages/Numbers/Keynote... A few questions:

1. How is compatibility between iWorks and MS-Office?
2. Is iWorks as fully featured as MS-Office i.e. will I be able to make some pretty big and complex spreadsheets with Numbers?
3. How is usability for someone transitioning from MS-Office to iWorks? Easy to pick up? Any comparisons from people who have used both?

I posted this earlier, didnt get any replies. Could someone clarify these for me please? Thanks!
 
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1024x600 8.9" screen
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Wifi 802.11 b/g/n and Bluetooth
3-dimensional accelerometer
Speakers, micro and headphone I/O
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Its a little thick [YOU CAN INSERT USB FLASH DISK INSIDE ITS CASE!!!!! WHOOO! ], but it can run AI OS, Ubuntu, Android, and soon it will run Google OS and Maemo.

300$ for base device, +100$ for keyboard
 
Ive only used Pages, but compatibility has never been an issue, although i switched over to Office for mac soon after I got my MBP..nothing against iwork, i just prefer office
 
iamcool388 said:
I posted this earlier, didnt get any replies. Could someone clarify these for me please? Thanks!

I'm not the best to comment, since I haven't used iWorks extensively, but:

1) Not sure about Office compatibility with iWork, but iWork should open/edit the main formats from office (i.e. .doc, .pp., .xcl, and the xml versions of these). iWork tout full compatibility, but I've seen powerpoint presentations not show up correctly keynote.

2) iWork is not as fully featured. It's way cheaper though (my University offers it for $39 - I might go buy it just to play with it). From what I understand, Pages is nice to use, but not quite as fully featured as Word (but I can't hazard a guess at what features); Numbers lags behind Excel by a fair margin (although I don't like excel much); and Keynote supposedly blows away PowerPoint (I quite like powerpoint, though)

3) I imagine the transition is fairly similar. The Office applications are hardly very friendly, though. But as a they are practically the standard, I assume Apple would try to make iWork very similar to encourage any switch.
 
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