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This is iPod touch 3 all over again.

The internals for the camera are there, but Apple ended up letting it out.

Sometimes Apple is that in your face. "Yeah, we could, but we won't. We'll save it as a selling point for the next rev".

It's a bit off-putting, even if we already know that future revisions of any product are always bound to have more stuff.
 
Schlep said:
My use of Logic Pro as well as a couple photo and video editing solutions says you're wrong. Not to mention all the other tasks that I just prefer to do on a Mac on a daily basis.

Just because the people you know carry around Apple products as a fashion accessory doesn't mean there aren't people like me around who've been using Macs as a tool for over a decade, and others who have been for much longer than that.

I don't doubt people like yourself own and use these machines and have plenty of good reasons to do so. However your use of Logic Pro doesn't invalidate my point. I'm not a fan of the iPhone myself but I see the point in it, and it's place in the market. This I do not. It's half way between a phone and a netbook. I just never knew there was gap there, that's all.

SnakeXs said:
Did you really feel that guy and his rock solid argument were worth responding to? Really?

Rock solid argument? I wasn't arguing anything. I was simply pointing out that many an Apple product sells not just to those you can genuinely utilise theme but to people who just want the brand name. Many people in this thread have pointed out that real users of Apple would avoid this because it has no real purpose where as the fanboys will just snap them up for the hell it because of the name.
 
And there's that 'fanboy' charge again, whoops, someone hasn't been reading the warnings.
 
Dina said:
Fans, then? Fans picking up Apple because it is Apple is not unheard of.

no, but its called brand marketing. It isn't unique to apple, so why the need to escalate it to the point where it is used as an insult?
 
Dina said:
Fans, then? Fans picking up Apple because it is Apple is not unheard of.

Dismissing the validity of the product as something only fans/fanboys would buy is as insulting as dismissing someones lack of desire to purchase it as being because they are an Apple hater, neither position has it's place in this thread and expressions of either will lead to bans.
 
Dina said:
Fans, then? Fans picking up Apple because it is Apple is not unheard of.
It's not the word; it's the argument itself. It's kind of like writing a "peacock statement" on Wikipedia.

One side can argue the merits of a product, and the other can argue why the product is not worth buying. If the latter can show convincing evidence, then the "fans picking up Apple because it is Apple" effect will be illustrated by default. But it's not an argument in and of itself.

That being said, no one is going to convince an opposing party of anything here.
 
jts said:
This is iPod touch 3 all over again.

The internals for the camera are there, but Apple ended up letting it out.

Sometimes Apple is that in your face. "Yeah, we could, but we won't. We'll save it as a selling point for the next rev".

It's a bit off-putting, even if we already know that future revisions of any product are always bound to have more stuff.
It's pretty likely, I think, that the plan is to have iPhone OS 4.0 support video calls/iChat (though possibly only over WiFi, with a higher data subscription fee if you want to do it over 3G) with a front-facing camera on the next revision of the phone, followed by a camera update to the iPod Touch AND the iPad in September that includes front-facing cameras on both (you can do this in the iPod Touch and iPhone with only one image sensor and two lenses, I believe). Likely A4 chip in the next iPhone and iPod Touch as well (seriously, it's not called A4 because there have been three earlier internal revisions, it's called A4 because "A4" sounds clearly 'greater' than "3GS").
 
mrkgoo said:
It's probably just easier not to have one at this stage. Not defending the decision, but I can see so many reasons why they shouldn't (from their perspective) and very few reasons why they should (from their perspective).

For us it's mostly an ideal that represents expansion, when really it's all 'maybe' this, and 'maybe' that.
Oh, FFS. It doesn't require that much handwringing, it's not "maybe" anything. I'm sure there are more decisive people at Apple who could figure out how to tread that incredibly fine line that USB support represents :lol It doesn't have to accept every USB device ever made and for the ones it doesn't support, flashing a simple "This device not supported" message onscreen when they try to connect it should end any confusion. It's not like every USB device made somehow works with every other USB device anyway.
 
badcrumble said:
with a front-facing camera on the next revision of the phone, followed by a camera update to the iPod Touch AND the iPad in September
Ooooh, a hardware revision to the iPad this year is really, really out of the question. By appearances, Apple has adopted a yearly revision schedule for anything and everything which name begins with "iP".

I don't expect the "iPad Photo" or "iPad Video" until Q1 2011 at the earliest.
 
badcrumble said:
It's pretty likely, I think, that the plan is to have iPhone OS 4.0 support video calls/iChat (though possibly only over WiFi, with a higher data subscription fee if you want to do it over 3G) with a front-facing camera on the next revision of the phone, followed by a camera update to the iPod Touch AND the iPad in September that includes front-facing cameras on both (you can do this in the iPod Touch and iPhone with only one image sensor and two lenses, I believe). Likely A4 chip in the next iPhone and iPod Touch as well (seriously, it's not called A4 because there have been three earlier internal revisions, it's called A4 because "A4" sounds clearly 'greater' than "3GS").
Yeah, that sounds pretty much on the spot, although, as cjdunn said, it isn't likely for the iPad 2G to have a September release.

However Q1 is such an awkward time to launch an iDevice. Just before the next OS rolls out to the developers.
 
jts, you mean the desktop/laptop OS, right? I think there is enough conceptual space between that and the iPhone OS* to roll out 10.7 without issue.

*That really needs a rename, doesn't it? But then, of course, there's iTunes. :/
 
cjdunn said:
jts, you mean the desktop/laptop OS, right? I think there is enough conceptual space between that and the iPhone OS* to roll out 10.7 without issue.

*That really needs a rename, doesn't it? But then, of course, there's iTunes. :/
No, I mean iPhone OS.

The iPhone rolls out in July along with the new iPhone OS.
The iPod touch follows suit in September while the new OS is still fresh, it's a brand new iPod touch suited for a new OS.
And then half a year later the iPad launches when the OS is already old and its successor is heavily rumored, and also probably announced and seeded to developers almost immediately after.

edit: but maybe I'm seeing it wrong. The iPad launch window also means that developers will have early access to fresh hardware when they get the next SDK major release.
 
kaching said:
Oh, FFS. It doesn't require that much handwringing, it's not "maybe" anything. I'm sure there are more decisive people at Apple who could figure out how to tread that incredibly fine line that USB support represents :lol It doesn't have to accept every USB device ever made and for the ones it doesn't support, flashing a simple "This device not supported" message onscreen when they try to connect it should end any confusion. It's not like every USB device made somehow works with every other USB device anyway.

Adding to the confusion of a simple device. I guess you don't understand the middle device is meant to be as simple. No conflicts, issues, missing components,etc

SJ saying a netbook isn't better at anything a laptop can do is getting clearer in my head. It is just a smaller, cheaper laptop. The iPad should start making inroads regarding it's middle ground stance by making short tasks quick and simple.

Although, the browsing experience is better on a touch screen, the evident lack of flash leaves me wondering whether a better functional browsing experience is possible
 
Mecha_Infantry said:
Adding to the confusion of a simple device. I guess you don't understand the middle device is meant to be as simple. No conflicts, issues, missing components,etc

SJ saying a netbook isn't better at anything a laptop can do is getting clearer in my head. It is just a smaller, cheaper laptop. The iPad should start making inroads regarding it's middle ground stance by making short tasks quick and simple.

Although, the browsing experience is better on a touch screen, the evident lack of flash leaves me wondering whether a better functional browsing experience is possible
iPhone will display a "The connected device is not compatible..." pop-up message if you plug in anything that isn't specifically designed for it, including iPod Touch compatible car chargers and such. I have one in my car and it's pretty damn annoying.

So whatever the rationale is for leaving out USB it can't be to keep the UI uncluttered, because that clutter already exists for the single proprietary slot on the machine.
 
Evlar said:
iPhone will display a "The connected device is not compatible..." pop-up message if you plug in anything that isn't specifically designed for it, including iPod Touch compatible car chargers and such. I have one in my car and it's pretty damn annoying.

So whatever the rationale is for leaving out USB it can't be to keep the UI uncluttered, because that clutter already exists for the single proprietary slot on the machine.

Ohhh, I've never seen that!!!! Strange
 
Any insight on whether the iPad will have to pay for OS updates? Or has apples transition to new accounting practices fixed that?
 
Alfarif said:
Whoa, your name is Warren? So is mine. Weirded me out for a second seeing that. Or is that from something else? Either way, I was like "What the hell? We haven't upgraded to 7 at work yet....."
Sorry, those are from the internet.

kaching said:
Most of that is not really any smaller than what you interact with on an iPhone screen.
iPhone OS elements are usually at least 30px or more in size and have more padding around them if there are other controls nearby. Just saying that there are particular issues that just wouldn't translate well to touch.

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Mecha_Infantry said:
Adding to the confusion of a simple device. I guess you don't understand the middle device is meant to be as simple. No conflicts, issues, missing components,etc

Ohhh, I've never seen that!!!! Strange
No, not strange. Just what a well-rounded OS has to do to account for all the ways a user may try to use it.

By your logic, this "middle" device shouldn't even include wifi or 3G support, because when the device isn't in range of either form of signal, has a really weak connection or perhaps runs into a wifi router it's not compatible with it would have to report a confusing issue to the user. Best to probably just leave the browser out as well - wouldn't want to confuse the user with pages that load fast sometimes, slow others and not at all in other cases...
 
giga said:
iPhone OS elements are usually at least 30px or more in size and have more padding around them if there are other controls nearby.
Usually, but not always. Plenty of times when you have to fiddle with controls that are smaller - pushpins in maps, links embedded in web pages or HTML email, etc. Most of the stuff you just singled out wouldn't really be that hard to manage on a touchscreen.
 
kaching said:
Usually, but not always. Plenty of times when you have to fiddle with controls that are smaller - pushpins in maps, links embedded in web pages or HTML email, etc. Most of the stuff you just singled out wouldn't really be that hard to manage on a touchscreen.
See the examples with pushpins in Maps or anything in Safari I didn't bring up since there's an ability to zoom with pinching and double tapping.
 
kaching said:
smh



No, not strange. Just what a well-rounded OS has to do to account for all the ways a user may try to use it.

By your logic, this "middle" device shouldn't even include wifi or 3G support, because when the device isn't in range of either form of signal, has a really weak connection or perhaps runs into a wifi router it's not compatible with it would have to report a confusing issue to the user. Best to probably just leave the browser out as well - wouldn't want to confuse the user with pages that load fast sometimes, slow others and not at all in other cases...

This is true. I did know about it, and just another casualty of Apple locking stuff down a little (it was related to removing firewire spec for charging, and getting devices to be 'licensed' with 'works with ipod' label').

I don't get your argument about 'may as well remove all connectivity'. It's just an arbitrary line in the sand. Apple chose it to be on that side of a USB port, no necessary rhyme nor reason, really, I was just pondering the decision. Afterall, if I followed your extreme, one could say they should've had a firewire 400 port. And 800. And USB 3. And light Peak. etc etc.

Point is, I don't necessarily think a USB port is confusing. Nor not useful. Perhaps 'unnecessary' is perhaps the better word. Even that isn't quite right. Maybe just 'unfitting' in Apple's vision of the device. Not even that really, because the main reason is lockdown. They just don't want access to and from the device without their say so. A USB flash would be perfect for documents in iWork, but there's probably no way they'd allow the use of a flash drive for other apps unless the file type were restricted. They barely allow apps to read/write outside of its own sandbox, let alone external storage. They also want people to use their dock port - that's their vision for hardware expansion/connection on the iPad. It may be as simple as that.

Maybe I'm looking at this the wrong way. I guess they could have put a USB port in and solved all the potential issues that they would have not liked in it, but they simply chose to be on this side of it (the side with no USB port). Maybe there'll be one in the future.

I agree it's a feature that is somewhat limiting, but for me it'll just be a feature that's like "oh wouldn't it be cool if...". Obviously if that moment happens to often for some people, it becomes a device of less utility enough not to consider. I get that. That didn't happen to me. Again, I choose not to see what it can't do, but what it can. The iPhone didn't have a USB port (yes, I know it's ridiculous), but it's absence didn't hinder me much there. I still did the things I wanted to on it. I understand as a productivity device, it would be useful to have on the iPad, but I've never thought that iWork is all that serious a viability - I never bring it up as a serious work tool, because it's mostly a convenience thing. I don't actually intend on writing documents or doing my spreadsheets on it. Anyway, my point is that saving iWork files is about the only function I would use a USB port for that doesn't have a solution in some other manner. I'll concede that lack of usb file transfer kind of kills iWork a little. Maybe a lot. But frankly it's killing a feature I don't think I was seriously going to use anyway.

Most of the functions that I would need come from a sync cable. So for me, it'd just be a proprietary port for file transfer, a feature that is perhaps needed for some apps, but not really needed for a device without a user accessible file system.

Sure there are a whole slew of things you can imagine you can do with it, me too, but none of that stuff is all that critical to me. Maybe I'm just being too accepting of a major oversight. I don't know, maybe you're right. I guess you're miffed at what this device could have been which is so much more.
 
Buckethead said:
:lol

Well, look at the way they're loading documents in the iWorks apps.
They're just there automatically. Something like that.

I mean I don't always want to go into my e-mail and find the email from Stacy and look at the Excel document. Save it to the little documents app then you can delete the email. Sometimes I want to look at a Powerpoint to prepare for a speech or something.

E-mail has kinda become the defacto document storage app for a lot of people.

It sounds like that's already been resolved. Each app stores it's own documents. Opening a word doc from an email will open it in Pages and from there you'll be able to save it in Pages. You don't need a separate documents app, that defeats the whole point.
 
I think a Desktop UI is doable on a touch screen. It doesn't necessarily make sense, but people wouldn't buy it for the UI, but rather what you could do with it with touch screen. The applications.

It's like a wacom tablet - it's not ideal for navigating the OS that is designed for a mouse - it works perfectly, yes, but there are way more things a pen-based pointing device should be able to do in a UI (for example using custom loops to select multiple files, much more gestures). But that's not what people get a wacom tablet for - they get it for the creativity/productivity applications that utilise them. Even though the UI isn't optimised for pen-input, the utility in the applications is the key feature.

In the same vein, a touch screen is doable on a desktop UI, and brings utility in certain apps, so that's why people would get it, so whether it's ideal for the rest of the OS or not isn't the point.

Apple, of course, come from a different angle. They approach is that they wouldn't do it without making the experience of the UI fit the input for the entire system.
 
giga said:
See the examples with pushpins in Maps or anything in Safari I didn't bring up since there's an ability to zoom with pinching and double tapping.
But you still have to make the adjustment manually, or deal with the miniscule hotspots, which wouldn't be a lot different than the kind of adjustments you might make to the Win 7 OS to make it more touch friendly (large fonts, large icons, high DPI mode, etc.).

mrkgoo said:
I don't get your argument about 'may as well remove all connectivity'.
That wasn't directed at you.
 
kaching said:
But you still have to make the adjustment manually, or deal with the miniscule hotspots, which wouldn't be a lot different than the kind of adjustments you might make to the Win 7 OS to make it more touch friendly (large fonts, large icons, high DPI mode, etc.).

That wasn't directed at you.

I know, but it was an argument I brought up. I felt obligated to comment. Anyway, I'm probably going to get banned if I don't stop soon.
 
Okay, wow. Engadget turned off their comment system.
Hey guys, we know you like to have your fun, voice your opinions, and argue over your favorite gear, but over the past few days the tone in comments has really gotten out of hand. What is normally a charged -- but fun -- environment for our users and editors has become mean, ugly, pointless, and frankly threatening in some situations... and that's just not acceptable. Some of you out there in the world of anonymous grandstanding have gotten the impression that you run the place, but that's simply not the case.

Luckily, our commenting community makes up only a small percentage of our readership (and the bad eggs an even smaller part of that number), so while they may be loud, they don't speak for most people who come to Engadget looking for tech news. Regardless, we're going to crank things down for a little bit to let everyone just cool off, and we'll switch them back on when we feel like we've shaken some of the trolls and spammers loose from the branches (AKA swung the banhammer in our downtime). See you on the other side!

Gruber thinks it's because of a tweet:
Daring Fireball said:

@joshuatopolsky said:
To the Engadget commenters mad about Apple coverage: you are not the voice of reason or the center, you are the irrational fringe.

Apple/iPad haters overwhelmed Engadget?
 
Tobor said:
It sounds like that's already been resolved. Each app stores it's own documents. Opening a word doc from an email will open it in Pages and from there you'll be able to save it in Pages. You don't need a separate documents app, that defeats the whole point.
That's assuming you own those apps.

Even if you don't own the apps in OS X,
preview allows you to view them. But except on the iPhone/iPad you can't put them all into a specific place.

It'd be a hit with the business folk, promise.
 
cjdunn said:
Ooooh, a hardware revision to the iPad this year is really, really out of the question. By appearances, Apple has adopted a yearly revision schedule for anything and everything which name begins with "iP".

I don't expect the "iPad Photo" or "iPad Video" until Q1 2011 at the earliest.
Apple revised the iPhone's storage capacity fairly quickly out of the gate, I wouldn't say it's unprecedented for a moderate upgrade to take place.
 
cjdunn said:
Okay, wow. Engadget turned off their comment system.


Gruber thinks it's because of a tweet:




Apple/iPad haters overwhelmed Engadget?

The comment's have been downright nasty. The same small group of morons trolling every single post, even if the iPad isn't involved. Good on Engadget for thinning the herd.

Buckethead said:
That's assuming you own those apps.

Even if you don't own the apps in OS X,
preview allows you to view them. But except on the iPhone/iPad you can't put them all into a specific place.

It'd be a hit with the business folk, promise.

At some point they might, but they have their solution right now. Who's not going to buy at least Pages and Numbers, honestly? If I use them to edit 3 documents a year it's worth $10 each.
 
cjdunn said:
Apple/iPad haters overwhelmed Engadget?

That's funny, considering they had already taken the extraordinary step of publicizing a format of the blog that eliminates all Apple news already:

Do you hate Apple news? Are you so bothered by stories about the Cupertino-based company that you feel the need to comment on each and every story about how bothered by stories about the Cupertino-based company you are? Do you lay awake at night, cold sweat beading down your forehead, dreading the morning when you'll potentially see your favorite tech site writing about a new Apple product? Do you believe that Apple is 100 percent evil in every way? Well we're here to help.

Due to the overwhelming demand of 16 commenters, we present to you the Apple-free Engadget! Yes -- read all the hot news happening in the tech world without the upsetting presence of Apple-related stories. Your dream is a reality... so now you'll have to find something else to complain about!

http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/30/do-you-hate-apple-news/

I guess there are some people that just can't help themselves, no matter what Engadget does! :lol
 
DarkJC said:
iPhone was announced 6 months before launch. 27" iMacs didn't start shipping until quite a bit later after their announcement. It's more normal than you think.

That being said, if they can switch the iPhone screen to glass between announcement and ship date, they can add a camera to the iPad.

iPhone OS announcements came around March last year if I'm not mistaken, so if it's the same timing this year it DOES put it ahead of the actual iPad launch.
I'm 90% sure the iPhone screen has always been glass.

Could be wrong.
 
badcrumble said:
Apple revised the iPhone's storage capacity fairly quickly out of the gate, I wouldn't say it's unprecedented for a moderate upgrade to take place.

True, but that was to remove an option :D and then add a larger version months later. But your are correct, the launch year of the iPhone did see adjustments.
Wikipedia said:
The iPhone was initially released with two options for internal storage size: 4 GB or 8 GB. On September 5, 2007, Apple discontinued the 4 GB models.[78] On February 5, 2008, Apple added a 16 GB model.
 
Tobor said:
The comment's have been downright nasty. The same small group of morons trolling every single post, even if the iPad isn't involved. Good on Engadget for thinning the herd.



At some point they might, but they have their solution right now. Who's not going to buy at least Pages and Numbers, honestly? If I use them to edit 3 documents a year it's worth $10 each.

I'm going to buy them (I practically have more use for keynote than numbers - I can't imagine data entry on a tablet - besides, I think I'd need a way to transfer files for it to be useful :p).

In fact, I'm probably going to buy Mac iWork because of it if it's still $39 at my school.
 
Buckethead said:
I'm 90% sure the iPhone screen has always been glass.

Could be wrong.

Apparently not. I thought so too, but there news reports of Apple switching to galss before actual release.
 
http://www.macrumors.com/2010/02/01/and-tablet-rumors-revived-larger-mac-like-tablet-in-the-works/

And... Tablet Rumors Revived: Larger Mac-Like Tablet in the Works?


After just five days free of Apple tablet rumors, it has begun again. TechCrunch claims that they have heard that Apple is working on a second larger tablet that will be "much more like a Mac than an iPhone."

But the information we're hearing is that Apple is thinking much larger for another version of the product, maybe all the way up to the 15.4″ size that it currently uses for one version of the MacBook Pro. If you think that would be way too big for an iPad, we're also hearing that this other tablet would be quite a bit different from the one revealed last week. Namely, it could run a version of OS X much closer to the traditional version that runs on Macs.
In the wake of the iPad launch, the possibility of Apple also pursuing a Mac OS X-based tablet seems strange. While some iPad detractors have been hoping for a Desktop-OS-on-Tablet experience, variations these products have existed and have simply not gained traction.

TechCrunch claims such a device would be launched within the next year.
If true, we'd expect Apple to introduce more multi-touch friendly changes to Mac OS X itself. The rumors of a 22-Inch Touch Screen iMac could well tie in with these rumors.

http://www.macrumors.com/2010/02/01/ipad-enclosure-has-empty-space-for-camera/

iPad Enclosure Has Empty Space for Camera?

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Repair company Mission Repair has posted images of what is supposedly the iPad outer frame. While the iPad is not yet shipping, the company seems to have gotten a supply of iPad parts through unofficial channels. Identical photos have been circulating on other websites. Assuming these are actual iPad parts, it appears that Apple did build in a space for a camera at the top of the device.

The photo above is particularly convincing as the iPad frame is compared to a MacBook frame which does house a camera. The holes seem identical. Even if this is all true, Apple ultimately chose not to include a camera from the first version of the iPad. The iPad will begin shipping in late March.
 
kaching said:
But you still have to make the adjustment manually, or deal with the miniscule hotspots, which wouldn't be a lot different than the kind of adjustments you might make to the Win 7 OS to make it more touch friendly (large fonts, large icons, high DPI mode, etc.).
Indeed, adjusting the DPI is the best option it seems but I can't help but think how cramped upscaled desktop software would be on low pixel density displays. (One usually increases the DPI scaling when you have higher resolution displays).

But we'll see soon enough once the HP Slate and other 7-based tablets come out.
 
giga said:
Indeed, adjusting the DPI is the best option it seems but I can't help but think how cramped upscaled desktop software would be on low pixel density displays. (One usually increases the DPI scaling when you have higher resolution displays).

But we'll see soon enough once the HP Slate and other 7-based tablets come out.

You can change the padding, size, font etc of just about anything in Windows without changing the DPI settings for everything.

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Areo uses vector graphics and you can change almost every part of the OS using Windows. You can change even more if you patch it.

If a company wanted to support touch interfaces they could quite easily.
 
Reginald P. Linux said:
That article is misleading. Those browsers are just wrappers around UIWebView (think Avant browser for Windows, wrapping the IE engine in a new UI).
Where did the article mislead?
 
Buckethead said:
I'm 90% sure the iPhone screen has always been glass.

Could be wrong.

Nope, it was definitely not glass. I actually posted links a number of pages back, amongst all the Flash bullshit, saying the same thing. That they replaced the plastic cover with a glass one at the last minute and that maybe they'd add in a camera too. I honestly don't think it's out of the realm of possibility, especially when you see how much code is included in the OS that could use the camera.
 
D4Danger said:
You can change the padding, size, font etc of use about everything in Windows without changing the DPI settings

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Areo uses vector graphics and you can change almost every part of the OS using Windows. You can change even more if you patch it.

If a company wanted to support touch interfaces they could quite easily.

Wondows 7 looks like it has a better chance of being modified for touch than Mac OS X, at least visually. It seems to have more customisation. In operation, though, Expose, gestures, extensive click-and-drag are already implemented. They do seem to suggest a much more interactive experience. At any rate, both operating systems should be developed from the ground up with touch in mind if they are to be good.
 
RubxQub said:
Where did the article mislead?

Misleading might have been the wrong word, but definitely contradictory:

Apple allows third-party web browsers for the iPhone

Which is wrong because...

There's an implicit catch however, namely that all of the browsers must be based on the same WebKit engine that underlies Safari itself. So don't expect to see Firefox anytime soon.

These Safari wrappers have been on the app store for a long time.
 
Mecha_Infantry said:
edit* This is about flash, does the iPhone OS disallow it, or is it just Safari?

My understanding is that Apple will not allow Adobe to develop a flash plugin for the platform.
 
mrkgoo said:
Wondows 7 looks like it has a better chance of being modified for touch than Mac OS X, at least visually. It seems to have more customisation. In operation, though, Expose, gestures, extensive click-and-drag are already implemented. They do seem to suggest a much more interactive experience. At any rate, both operating systems should be developed from the ground up with touch in mind if they are to be good.

Windows 7 was in many ways. The touch stuff isn't just bolted on.

You're not going to see much about it since it's still pretty new and they need to get partners to build stuff that uses it but it's all there, waiting to be used.

I think you're right that Windows 7 will be able to make the jump to touch devices much easier than OS X. But you know both companies are doing a lot of work in this area and rolling the results back into their flagship products so who knows.

I think this is why I'm still a little surprised the iPad uses the iPhone OS. I thought Apple were set to get the best of the iPhone features into OS X.
 
D4Danger said:
Windows 7 was in many ways. The touch stuff isn't just bolted on.

You're not going to see much about it since it's still pretty new and they need to get partners to build stuff that uses it but it's all there, waiting to be used.

I think you're right that Windows 7 will be able to make the jump to touch devices much easier than OS X. But you know both companies are doing a lot of work in this area and rolling the results back into their flagship products so who knows.

I think this is why I'm still a little surprised the iPad uses the iPhone OS. I thought Apple were set to get the best of the iPhone features into OS X.

It doesn't make sense to do it this way. Better to use the interface you have and an OS that already runs well on low powered hardware and scale it up over time as the hardware improves.
 
Tobor said:
It doesn't make sense to do it this way. Better to use the interface you have and an OS that already runs well on low powered hardware and scale it up over time as the hardware improves.

Yeah, I don't think hardware and software have quite aligned for the iSlate everyone seemed to think was coming.

I think what they've done is for the best at this point in time but I would like to see an OS X version sooner rather than later. I doubt it's coming any time soon (if ever) if the iPad succeeds (and it probably will)
 
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