Gary Whitta
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It will sell many many units, confounding those who are currently claiming there's no market for it. But that's just my prediction.D4Danger said:
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Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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This product may be the only time in history where Apple can reasonably argue that they have a device that is more capable of gaming than its computing competitors.
Hari Seldon
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Starchasing said:
Well it depends on what you are doing. If you are doing technical writing or writing a school report, you probably need multi-tasking. If you are doing creative writing you probably want to be distraction free. I use write room also but I also like multitasking for writing stuff for work. People have different needs.
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Kodiak said:
Sorry, I work with 14-18 year olds every day, and 70% of them are as clueless with computers as my dad.
Hari Seldon
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This is definitely going to be a big hit. Probably not an iPod level hit (not till the 2nd gen probably), but still a big hit. It will make Apple a ton of money even if it doesn't sell a huge amount due to the requirement that you get apps from the appstore, and they get a cut of that.
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the ipad sdk is 6 gigs =(
RobotChant
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It doesn't happen automatically. First you need a computer, then you need to install, and find usb ports. You can't be that dumb if you can do all that. Point is that the masses aren't as dumb as they're being made out to be if the ipod setup is anything to go by.Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
I was talking mainly about the basics like movie, music and browsing which the Ipad UI is supposedly going to make easier for dumb people. It's pretty straight forward.
Burger
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Marty Chinn said:
Oh do be quiet about Microsoft, they don't make computers.
From what I can tell, the iPad has come across as a disappointment to most people, including myself. That said, most of the gripes seem to be software related, not hardware. Software is easier to fix than hardware.
Vyse The Legend
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The only thing that disappointed me was the lack of a front-facing camera. The fact that the iPad OS simulator gives you the option to take a picture in the address book shows that, at some point, they probably thought about putting one in the tablet. But, for whatever reason, they changed their minds.
I wonder what the odds are of a camera that connects to the port coming out somewhere down the line...
I wonder what the odds are of a camera that connects to the port coming out somewhere down the line...
Windu said:
more power to do what? Browse the net? And atom powered netbooks are hardly blazingly fast as it is?
More storage? Again, most people have maybe a couple of thousand songs, and a few photos. They don't need hundreds of gigs of HDD space. (and bear in mind this, like a netbook is a second computer in a house, not a primary one)
keyboard? I haven't found one netbook with a keyboard that can be used for proper touch typing. I always end up two finger typing.
I agree about the cheap netbook thing, but if you're a fan of Apple products, this is pretty cheap compared to a MBP, or an air which is the previous closest in terms of compactness
I don't think its about whether a normal person can browse a website on a computer. I would think they could. Apple are saying this is a better way to browse a website than using a computer. Add in the fact that many people when at home are just browsing/doing really light apps, and this in theory could be a better 'home' computer than anythign out there.
I'm not sure either, but thats the spin, so lets see how it pans out.
Marty Chinn
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Booooo, the iPad uses a different sim card so I couldn't even pop out my iPhone sim and swap it in for 3G data.
Starchasing
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Hari Seldon said:
I understand multi tasking as having IM programs running in the background , email notifiers and such.
If you are writing a paper for school, you write, switch to the pdf reader or the browser, read, and switch back to the app you use to write. I dont see that as true multitasking and you can do that on an iphone already.
i didnt see it either, i used to chat while watching old seinfeld episodes and reading neogaf and several other pages... recently i started to focus on just one thing and i find myself enjoying it more and being more relaxed
Solideliquid
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About multitasking I think it'd be great if iPhone/iPad OS 4.0 included it. However just looking at how the iPad handles apps in videos, I can see myself typing something in Pages, hit the home button (auto saves document), load up safari to search for something, use Copy and load back into Pages paste and continue. I can see the iPad Pages keeping a list of previously opened documents for faster opening of documents and the time from hitting the home button and launching into Pages will probably be a few seconds shy of switching into Pages from the background. A few seconds. I can live with that.
Meee too... though I'll probably cough up $500 for it...
aaaaa0 said:
Meee too... though I'll probably cough up $500 for it...
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
And honestly, I think there's something to be said for some of the older people (i.e. not old) who came of age when computers were decidedly non-user friendly. They required effort to get things done.
Today's computer doesn't make a whole lot of demands and when something does goes haywire, they're absolutely useless trying to troubleshoot it. I view tablets as the evolution of trying to get the consumer from ever having to interact with the "guts."
Solideliquid
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Will iBooks be released prior to the iPad for the ipod Touch/iPhone?
I know it's silly to be adding my opinion to the already crowded fray, but here goes:
As expected from Apple, very very slick interface and design. I'm already a Mac/iPhone/iPod user, and I could definitely imagine using the iPad while on the couch at home...
BUT, I already use my MBP on the couch, or use my iPhone to check e-mail or whatever. While I would definitely love to have an iPad someday, I view it (for myself) as something that is a luxury more than a necessity. Maybe my ideas will change when I get my hands on one, but maybe not. And regardless of how I would personally use it, the thing will still definitely sell like hotcakes.
tl;dr: Very cool and want one someday, but not essential. More of a luxury item.
P.S. It makes my Kindle look downright sad, but I still prefer reading on the Kindle's screen. Kindle+iPhone Kindle app=ultimate win.
As expected from Apple, very very slick interface and design. I'm already a Mac/iPhone/iPod user, and I could definitely imagine using the iPad while on the couch at home...
BUT, I already use my MBP on the couch, or use my iPhone to check e-mail or whatever. While I would definitely love to have an iPad someday, I view it (for myself) as something that is a luxury more than a necessity. Maybe my ideas will change when I get my hands on one, but maybe not. And regardless of how I would personally use it, the thing will still definitely sell like hotcakes.
tl;dr: Very cool and want one someday, but not essential. More of a luxury item.
P.S. It makes my Kindle look downright sad, but I still prefer reading on the Kindle's screen. Kindle+iPhone Kindle app=ultimate win.
Marty Chinn
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mrklaw said:
Do you have big fingers or something? I find touch typing on the 10" Asus EEE to be pretty decent. It's rated to be a 92% size of full keyboard and I type pretty well on it. Still even if there is an issue, it's still certainly a better touch typing keyboard than the iPad is.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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aaaaa0 said:
Those are subsidized prices though. If you look at actual iPhone prices, they are well above what you're using as your rubric.
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MThanded said:
i just installed the sdk, you just have to sign up for a free account.
edit 3.2 beta isn't open to free accounts for now
mrklaw said:
More power to not feel boxed in. It's nice to be able to do some real work on my netbook if my desktop is on the fritz or I feel like working in a different room or at the library.
More storage is always nice. Though I admit that I'm probably only using some odd 60 gigs on my netbook; I haven't stuck most of my music on it, though.
Do you have giant hands or something? I haven't had any problems touch typing on my Asus 1000ha (my hands are probably about normal size, 8-9 inches from thumb to pinky when I spread my hand).
I hate to be a cheerleader for web 2.0 bullshit. But there's a lot more to using the internet than passively looking at websites. And it really seems the iPad would be subpar in the interaction department
Starchasing
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Solideliquid said:
I think what people want is apps running on the background like IM apps, notifiers and such.
I was saying that the iPad UI is the selling point, but honestly, it's not really anything special either. The UI is optimized for touch, but other than that, there's hardly anything revolutionary about it.
The iPhone was new, when it was unveiled, I knew it would change the phone industry and create a whole new market. Compared to the phones that already existed then, there are very little trade offs. The UI was completely fresh, the way Apple approached how users would interact with a phone was revolutionary.
But not so with the iPad. Comparing it against netbooks, you're making huge tradeoffs. You lose a set of user input interfaces for another set based on touch that is hardly much better, you lose processing power, you lose multi-tasking, and other standard stuffs that comes with an Apple product. Netbooks now cover a wide range of users from the pine trail platform with lower processing power but much longer battery life, to the high power CULV netbooks that can play 1080p videos, and they all are below 500. There are even CULV netbook tablets like the 11.6" Acer 1810TZ if one really desires vertical usage of the screen.
Sure, it's easy to do some hand waving and say there's so much dumb people out there that would get an iPad because normal computer OSes are so complicated, but what exactly are the differences between the two? You deal with oversized buttons, you click one to open a program, you do something to open up a pop up menu to give you more options. iPad UI is better? Yes. But how much better? Not really that much.
It definitely has some appeal no doubt, but even if this is a mass market success, you guys have to admit that it's not going to create a whole new market.
The iPhone was new, when it was unveiled, I knew it would change the phone industry and create a whole new market. Compared to the phones that already existed then, there are very little trade offs. The UI was completely fresh, the way Apple approached how users would interact with a phone was revolutionary.
But not so with the iPad. Comparing it against netbooks, you're making huge tradeoffs. You lose a set of user input interfaces for another set based on touch that is hardly much better, you lose processing power, you lose multi-tasking, and other standard stuffs that comes with an Apple product. Netbooks now cover a wide range of users from the pine trail platform with lower processing power but much longer battery life, to the high power CULV netbooks that can play 1080p videos, and they all are below 500. There are even CULV netbook tablets like the 11.6" Acer 1810TZ if one really desires vertical usage of the screen.
Sure, it's easy to do some hand waving and say there's so much dumb people out there that would get an iPad because normal computer OSes are so complicated, but what exactly are the differences between the two? You deal with oversized buttons, you click one to open a program, you do something to open up a pop up menu to give you more options. iPad UI is better? Yes. But how much better? Not really that much.
It definitely has some appeal no doubt, but even if this is a mass market success, you guys have to admit that it's not going to create a whole new market.
Solideliquid
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Starchasing said:
Pandora etc sure I get that. I'd love to see that too, and I think the current iPhone 3GS is MORE than capable of running several apps in the background. However if Apple stubbornly sticks to it's current stance on background apps I'm not going to let that, as a single determining factor keep me from purchasing the iPad if I feel like it could serve a useful purpose for me.
I don't think this device (well the first version anyway) is going to do blockbusters sales. It'll be like the Apple TV or MacBook Air. Look it's simple to use but isn't that what people say about the Macbook also? An iPad can't replace a MacBook because you still need a desktop client to sync with. It'll be a second, luxury device. So is the iPod Touch, which the iPad will probably take many sales away from.
I don't like almost everything about the iPad. From the hardware (such a large bezel and that home button - ugh) to the OS (homescreen - pssh, no multitasking - yikes). I'd never buy this as a laptop or even a netbook replacement (but I don't use netbooks so moot point).
A quick sidenote: the one benefit from the super iPod Touch approach is that many of the accessories and apps in the AppStore already solve some deficiencies right off the bat. And I've already paid for them :lol. There was no mention of printing but many printer companies have already made wireless printer apps available on the App Store. Likewise there was no mention of comic books but there are already apps that handle that (the comic book industry better get a standard format in place if they know what's good for them). PasteBot Sync will be an interesting experience on the Tablet as will be Jaadu and LogMeIn (VNC apps). There are writing apps, some with handwriting recognition, made for the iPhone that would work even better at the Tablet resolution. The Dagi and Pogo styluses should be even more useful with the iPad. And if it's running the iPhone OS 3.2, can we expect it jailbroken in a few months
? While Apple has disappointed me in most regards, it still looks a bit promising.
But the real draw for me is the iBooks application. Like Tobor and MThanded mentioned earlier, this could be a decent ebook device and at that price it's very competitive. (By the way, is this the first time that Jobs had kind words for a competing device? I'll have to watch the video but the blogs indicated that he was quite respectful to the Kindle). I need an ereader and my other choices are (in order of preference):
B&N Nook: $259
Kindle DX: $489
Kindle: $259
*insert bunch of upcoming fancy ereaders, demoed at CES, that I think start at a baseline of $400...
I have no problems with reading on LCD and actual dislike the Kindle and Nook refresh so e-ink is not a plus for me. Besides e-ink, what do those other devices do better than iBooks? I'd like to know but, for only $10 more than the Kindle DX, I can't say no to the iPad.
That case is sweet but it's $40. Plus Pages, that's $550 I'll be spending before tax. Hmm...
I don't like almost everything about the iPad. From the hardware (such a large bezel and that home button - ugh) to the OS (homescreen - pssh, no multitasking - yikes). I'd never buy this as a laptop or even a netbook replacement (but I don't use netbooks so moot point).
A quick sidenote: the one benefit from the super iPod Touch approach is that many of the accessories and apps in the AppStore already solve some deficiencies right off the bat. And I've already paid for them :lol. There was no mention of printing but many printer companies have already made wireless printer apps available on the App Store. Likewise there was no mention of comic books but there are already apps that handle that (the comic book industry better get a standard format in place if they know what's good for them). PasteBot Sync will be an interesting experience on the Tablet as will be Jaadu and LogMeIn (VNC apps). There are writing apps, some with handwriting recognition, made for the iPhone that would work even better at the Tablet resolution. The Dagi and Pogo styluses should be even more useful with the iPad. And if it's running the iPhone OS 3.2, can we expect it jailbroken in a few months
? While Apple has disappointed me in most regards, it still looks a bit promising.But the real draw for me is the iBooks application. Like Tobor and MThanded mentioned earlier, this could be a decent ebook device and at that price it's very competitive. (By the way, is this the first time that Jobs had kind words for a competing device? I'll have to watch the video but the blogs indicated that he was quite respectful to the Kindle). I need an ereader and my other choices are (in order of preference):
B&N Nook: $259
Kindle DX: $489
Kindle: $259
*insert bunch of upcoming fancy ereaders, demoed at CES, that I think start at a baseline of $400...
I have no problems with reading on LCD and actual dislike the Kindle and Nook refresh so e-ink is not a plus for me. Besides e-ink, what do those other devices do better than iBooks? I'd like to know but, for only $10 more than the Kindle DX, I can't say no to the iPad.
That case is sweet but it's $40. Plus Pages, that's $550 I'll be spending before tax. Hmm...
I don't have giant hands 
I just find especially my little fingers cramped and generally my whole hand posture has to close up, and I can't comfortably touch type. Well, I can but I make quite a few errors and have to slow down. And thats on an NC10 which is supposed to have one of the better keyboards (was certainly better than the others we tested out before buying)
I just find especially my little fingers cramped and generally my whole hand posture has to close up, and I can't comfortably touch type. Well, I can but I make quite a few errors and have to slow down. And thats on an NC10 which is supposed to have one of the better keyboards (was certainly better than the others we tested out before buying)Zaraki_Kenpachi
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aaaaa0 said:
Why and how? This is one of the stupider things I've read in this thread. They're not at all alike.
Steve Youngblood
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Umm, how do you see that working? The iPhone is subsidized because you're usually paying around $100 a month at the minimum and are locked into a 2 year contract. You would have to agree to a lot more than $30/month for unlimited internet access before AT&T would give you several hundred dollars off the cost of an iPad. This thing isn't a phone or texting device. Would you like to be locked into a contract for much more expensive 3G access so that you can get a discount on the iPad?aaaaa0 said:
I think iPhoneOS justifies this device. iPhoneOS has always been too big and powerful to be limited to just a smart phone. The iPod Touch has sort of been the bastard child of the iPhone, but now with the iPad, you finally have a machine that can do stuff without the battery dying after 30 minutes. You can have apps that have staying power for more than a few minutes at a time on subway rides. You can have apps that may not need to be canceled at a moment's notice due to an incoming phone call. You can have apps that are worth more than $1. You can have real applications now. As long as it doesn't grow explosively hot, it has holding a MBP in your lap beat for web browsing on the couch.D4Danger said:
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Solideliquid said:
iphones can sure play its own music while you use other apps so that could be an exception... but me being a single tasker i see that as a feature
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Wow. A gigantic ipod? Really?
The reason why I carry an iPod in my pocket is because it offers a whole bunch of features WITH a tiny form factor. If this isn't as functional as a laptop, but it still takes up quite a bit of real estate, I don't see the point. Are we going to do anything other than messing around with this thing?
Whatever, though. Choices. I just wish Apple would work on improving their current hardware and software.
The reason why I carry an iPod in my pocket is because it offers a whole bunch of features WITH a tiny form factor. If this isn't as functional as a laptop, but it still takes up quite a bit of real estate, I don't see the point. Are we going to do anything other than messing around with this thing?
Whatever, though. Choices. I just wish Apple would work on improving their current hardware and software.
Hari Seldon
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Charred Greyface said:
Well two reasons:
1. Much much better battery life.
2. Cheaper books - Amazon and Sony subsidize new book prices to $9.99.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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This thread has already happened and been repeated at least a few times a year since Macworld 2007. Apple is up like 9 to 2.bionic77 said:
GAF regarding Apple announcements (and for that matter, Nintendo announcements) reminds me of when Principal Skinner complimented Miss Krabappel with the line "I've always admired your ability to be personally offended by broad social trends."
Then why is Apple rich and GAF not?mrkgoo said:
Maybe Apple isn't that smart and maybe GAF is just really stupid.Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
9-2 isn't that bad when you compare it to the gaming side predictions. I can just imagine the holy and pure GAF rage that will ensure if the iPad turns into a DS or Wii type situation.
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