I'm pretty sure taking notes on a piece of paper requires you to look down a lot, yet somehow I made it through college. I guess it depends on the class, but most of them I probably could have aced without seeing the professor at all. Most teachers just stand around and talk -- it's not like they're doing anything visually important....Marty Chinn said:
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aGPS doesn't need cell connections to work it just helps when there are obstructions or indoors via triangulation.mrkgoo said:
Still dissapointing because there are handy apps that use gps to determine location but not connectivity. i.e. Tide calendar, sunset calendar, 3rdparty GPS programs with built in maps.
@Tober I think the broadcom combo wifi/Bluetooth (and fm lol) chip is what you are remembering, the gsm radio they used on the iPhone doesn't have gps iirc.
I would hate to drop an extra 130 on that but I guess the benifit is being able to buy a month of data in a pinch. =^/
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OK I followed the liveblogs and I watched some (not all) of the conference tonight with my fiancee. And it was kinda funny. We were both thoroughly unimpressed while Steve was showing off tasks that you can already do on the iPhone. Like email. Web. Photos. Calendar (though that looks cool). Video. Music. iTunes Store. He'd do something like scroll, pinch, double-tap to zoom. And while these were exceedingly impressive things to me three years ago, they are like expecting people to go WOW over using a mouse now. My fiancee was actually pretty bored by the whole thing, and I gotta admit... I was too. Because we weren't being shown anything actually new. We were shown iPhone/iPod Touch functionality on a bigger screen. It was literally painful to hear the deafening silence as he went through it. Unlike most Steve Jobs keynotes, there was not a whole lot of clapping or cheering, certainly far less than the iPhone introduction. Probably more akin to the original iPod introduction. I don't think there was much clapping during that either.
I hate the iTunes interface in this. Or rather, the one they showed. I hope to Christ they just have a list mode because I do not view my music or podcasts or what have you by album art. I just don't. I never use coverflow. Never. Partially because a lot of the MP3s I have in my library don't have album art or they have the wrong album art. (Which will be a project some day...)
Also, the whole "it runs all the Apps" thing. Impressive to say, but... unimpressive in practice. The first thing they showed off I think was Facebook and some motocross game. And it was like they were expecting people to go "WOW THAT IS AWESOME." But really, it was no different than something like the Game Boy Player or the Super Game Boy. It's nice functionality, but ultimately... you're not going to wow over those visuals. Also, something I think they could take from the Super Game Boy/Game Boy Player are custom frames around those games. I'm sure the games that take advantage of the large screen will be awesome (and by that I mean Words With Friends and Bejeweled and Pac-Man Championship Edition), but...the back compat is "meh."
Oh, the New York Times app. No thanks. It honestly looked less convenient in the app than to just read the web page in Safari, which they also showed. One of the things I was really hoping for this device was for apple to make a sort of iTunes/iPod app for printed content so I didn't have to download separate apps from the App Store to read 4 different magazines/newspapers but I guess that's gonna be the case. Hugely disappointing IMO. I would love to get gaming mags and Entertainment Weekly or maybe an occasional Wired electronically in one app.
Then we got to Books. That's some impressive stuff. And that's actually the kind of app I wanted for not just books but magazines, newspapers and RSS feeds. However, I wish they had shown off some more graphically impressive book content. Like something with color pictures or color pages. Maybe a comic book or two. But they didn't. :\ At least my fiancee and I were both impressed by the books stuff.
The iWork stuff... again, disappointing and it seemed like they expected people to cheer/clap over things like swiping. Boredom set in quickly.
The price, especially on the low end, is nice. And pretty un-Apple. And of course I want to buy one. Though, I'm not as impressed as I'd hoped/thought I would be. Certainly not as impressed as I was after the initial iPhone introduction. So, I will likely still get one. Maybe the low-end or mid-model with 3G. Don't think it'll have to be Day 1. Maybe Day 4-5, and if I can order it online I'll go that route. Definitely not standing in line to get one like I did for the 3 models of iPhone that've come out so far. Because at least on day one, I already have a device in my pocket that can do all of this stuff.
I hate the iTunes interface in this. Or rather, the one they showed. I hope to Christ they just have a list mode because I do not view my music or podcasts or what have you by album art. I just don't. I never use coverflow. Never. Partially because a lot of the MP3s I have in my library don't have album art or they have the wrong album art. (Which will be a project some day...)
Also, the whole "it runs all the Apps" thing. Impressive to say, but... unimpressive in practice. The first thing they showed off I think was Facebook and some motocross game. And it was like they were expecting people to go "WOW THAT IS AWESOME." But really, it was no different than something like the Game Boy Player or the Super Game Boy. It's nice functionality, but ultimately... you're not going to wow over those visuals. Also, something I think they could take from the Super Game Boy/Game Boy Player are custom frames around those games. I'm sure the games that take advantage of the large screen will be awesome (and by that I mean Words With Friends and Bejeweled and Pac-Man Championship Edition), but...the back compat is "meh."
Oh, the New York Times app. No thanks. It honestly looked less convenient in the app than to just read the web page in Safari, which they also showed. One of the things I was really hoping for this device was for apple to make a sort of iTunes/iPod app for printed content so I didn't have to download separate apps from the App Store to read 4 different magazines/newspapers but I guess that's gonna be the case. Hugely disappointing IMO. I would love to get gaming mags and Entertainment Weekly or maybe an occasional Wired electronically in one app.
Then we got to Books. That's some impressive stuff. And that's actually the kind of app I wanted for not just books but magazines, newspapers and RSS feeds. However, I wish they had shown off some more graphically impressive book content. Like something with color pictures or color pages. Maybe a comic book or two. But they didn't. :\ At least my fiancee and I were both impressed by the books stuff.
The iWork stuff... again, disappointing and it seemed like they expected people to cheer/clap over things like swiping. Boredom set in quickly.
The price, especially on the low end, is nice. And pretty un-Apple. And of course I want to buy one. Though, I'm not as impressed as I'd hoped/thought I would be. Certainly not as impressed as I was after the initial iPhone introduction. So, I will likely still get one. Maybe the low-end or mid-model with 3G. Don't think it'll have to be Day 1. Maybe Day 4-5, and if I can order it online I'll go that route. Definitely not standing in line to get one like I did for the 3 models of iPhone that've come out so far. Because at least on day one, I already have a device in my pocket that can do all of this stuff.
Well I don't feel like that's fair to be called delusional. Ten again your probably right.Blackface said:
I just don't think I need all those features. Comapred to a netbook, I agree it doesn't stack up, bit then apple products seldom do. Again, a netbook doesn't exacty fill te same role as tHe ipad, forthe purpose j want one.
There's no arguing that the ipad COULD have een the game changer everyone was expecting ( and wither it isn't, time is still to tell), but in the end it's obvious the device isn't for you.
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Hopefully when the iPad is released we can have some discussion's that aren't just good versus bad. At least the people who don't see the appeal will eventually bow out for a bit. :lol
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I took a lot of computer, math, and engineering courses, so I had to follow what they were doing with quick glances down at what I was copying when writing. It was more of an 80% eyes up vs 20% eyes down type deal. A stylus would recreate that experience perfectly. Having to focus down on a non physical keyboard without any feedback would require me to look down more than up, especially just to make sure I wasn't typing something wrong given the nature of the keyboard. Certainly not as fast as a real computer and much more error prone. It's the worst of the four possible ways to take notes.
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Well the iPad is not a device that I would personally spend money on for various reasons, one being that it will most likely be to locked down for my needs. However I believe that it has potential to become pretty successful.
I think there is a bigger market than some realize for people who do not really have any interest in a full blown computer but would still like having something to give a good and easy e-mail and internet browsing experience. Heck I work with a few people 45+ years old who still do not have a computer because it is to "intimidating". So I think it has a good chance to create its own market kind of like the Wii did.
Another thing is as far as value goes at $499 its a better bang for your buck than the Kindle and if it catches on it could make a big boost in eBook sales the same way iPod did for digital music and iPhone did for mobile apps.
I think there is a bigger market than some realize for people who do not really have any interest in a full blown computer but would still like having something to give a good and easy e-mail and internet browsing experience. Heck I work with a few people 45+ years old who still do not have a computer because it is to "intimidating". So I think it has a good chance to create its own market kind of like the Wii did.
Another thing is as far as value goes at $499 its a better bang for your buck than the Kindle and if it catches on it could make a big boost in eBook sales the same way iPod did for digital music and iPhone did for mobile apps.
Jtwo said:
so no then :\
Beyond the other issues brought up regarding the browser, this is a serious issue that betrays the claims of the browsing experience being some sort of revelation. Regardless of the form-factor's awesomeness, this gimping really hampers the impact. Hopefully it will change in the future (and that will at least in part be related to RAM, which conspicuously hasn't been detailed).
Marty Chinn said:
and even if its feasible, I still don't see how students would force themselves to own one of these over a netbook at the bare minimum, for probably 200-300 bucks less and much more if we're looking to compare it to the 32, 64 GB versions.
I'm still fairly undecided on this, but a lot of the functionality being proposed for it, other machines can do better. And frankly, If I'm a cash strapped college/university student looking for a portable computing device, I'd go for a netbook and on the higher end (the cash I'd spend for a 64GB version) would go to a gaming ready laptop. Those would let me watch my DVDs (blu rays), hook up my iPods, work on projects, write reports, and MULTI-TASK web browsing.
I can't imagine being stuck in a dorm with an iPad and its either a spreadsheet app or safari with no flash support.
As I said earlier in a way, all these limitations have a reason. Apple dodged the Mac stigma of exclusivity with weak applicaitons support from third parties by excluding OS X entirely from this device, an OS which would have made much more sense to include in a machine as capable as the iPad is suppose to be. They're clearly playing to their iPhone appstore strength in terms of applications/software. but that leaves the iPad somewhat vulnerable compared to their much cheaper and fully featured windows computing devices.
And I don't for a second believe netbooks and tablets are not in competition. If it wasn't for netbooks and the sub $800 laptops, tablets would have owned the the portable computing space long ago.
iPad will be a slow burn. And I'll probably get one when it hits Canada anyways, because I can.
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RubxQub said:
Although they have two to three skus per iMac and MacBook Pro, and tons of skus for the nanos.
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SuperPac said:
I'm confused. Your impressions and response all point to being unimpressed and not sounding interested, but you still want one. Why? It just seems weird that you're so ho hum about it but will still fork out the cash for it.
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You'd still be limited to digital finger painting.RubxQub said:
Personally, I'm holding out for Wacom to partner up with someone like Asus or Acer for a tablet aimed specifically at artists. Though that seems rather unlikely and would probably end up being far more expensive than I'd be willing to pay for.
Apple can afford to be un-Apple at the price because they control (and mint money from) how content/apps get loaded onto the device. they can afford to skimp on their historically impressive HW margins since they'll recoup it in software/content sales.
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I just don't see how this will succeed outside of pure hype/coolaid drinkers, I think that it's not a competitor against netbooks because it is lacking features, it's not an Ebook reader competitor because of price and its not a portable gaming competitor because of price and size. I think It's biggest competition I see is the iPhone and iPod touch and thats a war it can't win.
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NinjaFromTheFuture said:
Doesn't Asus already make a Wacom based techonlogy tablet laptop? My friend has one and is an artist. He's into sketching and photography and does a lot of sketching and touch up work on photos on it. He's looking to get a new one too and the selection is rather slim, but it seems like they do exist.
Okay. I just double checked. The GSM radio and GPS are separate components in the 3GS
isuppli lists 13$ for the cell and 2.50$ for the gps. This reinforces to me that apple should have "kept it simple stupid" and put 3G in all of them for simicity's sake, or at the very least left in the gps chip for broader app compatibility.
EDIT: simcity's sake? :lol
simplicity! I am leaving that in though because it's too damn funny.
isuppli lists 13$ for the cell and 2.50$ for the gps. This reinforces to me that apple should have "kept it simple stupid" and put 3G in all of them for simicity's sake, or at the very least left in the gps chip for broader app compatibility.
EDIT: simcity's sake? :lol
simplicity! I am leaving that in though because it's too damn funny.
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There are tons of Wacom Penabled Tablet PCs, including the Asus R1 (Ancient now). They are all great for art. Right now, there are 3 new models with Wacom EMR pen AND Wacom capacitive Multitouch, two of them around less than $1200 new (Fujitsu T4410/T4310, HP TM2).Marty Chinn said:
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Marty Chinn said:
Between now and launch we'll probably see native apps for things like Facebook, Twitter, AIM, banking, etc. What Apple showed off at the presentation wasn't really what I use my iPhone for on a constant basis (except the web surfing, and doing that on a larger screen will be great). To me, it will be more what the app landscape looks at that time that will really tempt me.
At this point though, I don't see myself rushing out to buy it first day. It also depends what the launch plans actually are. Definitely not standing in line for one at a store. If I can order it online, great. Not as psyched as I was with the iPhone because my iPhone already does almost everything this does already.
And, I might actually want to pick it up and try it in a store before making my final decision.
Marty Chinn said:
Any netbook is going to suck for math, chemistry, and engineering stuff just because you have all those complicated notations that are difficult to accomplish with a keyboard. Where's the sigma key? How do I draw the symbol for square roots? Superscript and subscript is somewhat do-able, but probably more hassle than it is worth. As for computer courses, every one of those that I ever took had you sitting in front of a PC. For other courses though I just don't see why you need to have your eyes on the professor all the time.
They can sell this thing to students with good textbook support anyway. Let me highlight with the swipe of a finger -- let me touch a word to see a footnote or annotation. I was at Target the other day and tried highlighting on a Sony touchscreen eReader and it was fucking atrocious. The textbooks would be cheaper, and that would make students happy. The market for used textbooks would be severely undercut, making publishers happy.
They could turn off the mic's noise filtering so that you can record lectures, or sell a high quality mic accessory if the stock microphone can't pick up sound sufficiently.
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border said:
No computing device over $400 that doesn't run Office is going to get any traction in education.
There are tons of schools already mandating Tablet PCs in their classrooms because not only can you take digital notes (w searchable digital Ink, not static images), mark up PDFs, annotate on Office documents, etc...
And Professors don't like laptops in classrooms because of the LCD blinder (when up vertically as in all laptops) and distracting click clack of keyboards. With TPCs in slate mode and EMR pen has none of those problems.
Apple should consider a smaller version of the Air. The Air Netbook would be a HUGE craze compared to this IMO. Maybe they'll come with that as the next big thing in their notebook lineup. That way they don't canibalize MBP sales, because the premium of the Air brand can help them keep their profits. I'm assuming the Air is profitable, but I don't know. PEACE.
I agree with this. Since there are no contracts.scola said:
I'm likely going to end up with a non-3g version, mostly out of timing.
Gps seems to be a core enough function that it should Be standard. You can argue that the main app is useless wwithout an Internet connection, but a lot of apps use core location.
they also shouldve put in a camera and have photobooth fits some lols and iChat. Wouldve been perfect. But I guess they wanted to keep costs down or maybe not encroach upon communication.
I'm still peeved they didn't have old apps run as widgets. They look ridiculous in a tiny window in the centre. At least have it on your back ground or something. And many of the apps will look equally ridiculous enlarged to full screen. Yay like I need my weather widget full screen.
I wouldve preferred that each iPhone app open over the home screen, which darkens to how inaccessibility, then when you closed it, it zooms back.
If I wanted a good strawman I'd go watch Wizard of OzDeku said:
there is no way this is a computer replacement for a college student. This hypothetical student in their dorm room would just walk over to their laptop or desktop if they needed.
It could be a great companion to a primary laptop or a desktop though.
Shogmaster said:
That's my point though -- it sells itself just as a powerful eReader, and stuff like taking notes is really gravy. You can say it's not good for math or engineering or whatever, but not everyone's taking courses that require more than a simple text input.
If you're at a school that is literally requiring tablets, then no, I guess it's not for you. But I don't think there's that many of them out there.
Chorazin said:
That brings up another issue. Though the iBook app will be there and assuming Amazon will release a full screen Kindle App for iPad. Which will sell more books. I have a very strong feeling the kindle app might take profits away from iBook because of their extremely agressive pricing policy. Would be ironic if Kindle App for iPad is the most popular app
scola said:If I wanted a good strawman I'd go watch Wizard of Oz
there is no way this is a computer replacement for a college student. This hypothetical student in their dorm room would just walk over to their laptop or desktop if they needed.
It could be a great companion to a primary laptop or a desktop though.
no doubt it would be, but it would be a small minority of students who would have the luxury of owning both, plus an iPod and whatever gadgets their social cliques demand of them. I think given a choice, it's a no brainer.
Maybe I've been out of school too long and all the kids are suddenly spoiled.
I went to a fairly middle class University and nearing my graduation, most students still relied heavily on the university provided computer labs and cheap notebooks to get their computing done.
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Taking notes with capacitive touch and your fingers isn't anything close to gravy. Even with a capacitive friendly stylus, the experience is far shy of an EMR pen due to likelihood of vectoring with parts of your hands. EMR pen is the only sure fire input method sans vectoring.border said:
Bulkier than a textbook? And you can lay them on your desk you know.Mik2121 said:Saw them and man they are bulky as hell when compared to the iPad...
iPad is stupidly light and thin because of the ARM CPU that's usually reserved for devices with screen less than 5". And that's also why you don't get Flash support nor multitasking.
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Marty Chinn said:
I should have been more specific and called it a slate tablet Cintiq. I'm not certain that the Penabled tech is the same, honestly I haven't looked into it enough as I should have.Shogmaster said:
I'll be interested to see if there are some changes in 4.0 as well. It reminds me of iPhone 1.0. Apple kept it clean and simple at launch, then built on that over time.SuperPac said:Between now and launch we'll probably see native apps for things like Facebook, Twitter, AIM, banking, etc. What Apple showed off at the presentation wasn't really what I use my iPhone for on a constant basis (except the web surfing, and doing that on a larger screen will be great). To me, it will be more what the app landscape looks at that time that will really tempt me.
At this point though, I don't see myself rushing out to buy it first day. It also depends what the launch plans actually are. Definitely not standing in line for one at a store. If I can order it online, great. Not as psyched as I was with the iPhone because my iPhone already does almost everything this does already.
And, I might actually want to pick it up and try it in a store before making my final decision.
I just watched the Keynote. It has me more curious about it now actually, but I still probably won't need it.
Why does the 3G model cost more? Is it because a 3G modem actually costs $130 to include? Or is this some fee that the cell phone people are requiring Apple charge? It would seem it costs that much for the modem itself since it's static $130 across the board.
Also, does anyone think Apple might sometime in the future include 3G in iPod touch's? (touches? touch's?) I mean, I could see it, but I would assume they'd keep it out to prevent the iPhone from being cannibalized. Still...
The plans for the iPad seem nice. $15 a month for 250MB and $30 for unlimited? Whoa. That is nice. But I am curious. The 250 "good enough for most people" thing has me wondering, HOW MUCH DATA DO I DOWNLOAD IN A MONTH WITH MY iPOD TOUCH? A good question. I don't assume there's any way to find that out. Also, will the iPad have a special place in the UI to check your current usage?
iPad hype over. Now I wait for MacBook updates and iPhone OS 4.0 revealing in the future.
Why does the 3G model cost more? Is it because a 3G modem actually costs $130 to include? Or is this some fee that the cell phone people are requiring Apple charge? It would seem it costs that much for the modem itself since it's static $130 across the board.
Also, does anyone think Apple might sometime in the future include 3G in iPod touch's? (touches? touch's?) I mean, I could see it, but I would assume they'd keep it out to prevent the iPhone from being cannibalized. Still...
The plans for the iPad seem nice. $15 a month for 250MB and $30 for unlimited? Whoa. That is nice. But I am curious. The 250 "good enough for most people" thing has me wondering, HOW MUCH DATA DO I DOWNLOAD IN A MONTH WITH MY iPOD TOUCH? A good question. I don't assume there's any way to find that out. Also, will the iPad have a special place in the UI to check your current usage?
iPad hype over. Now I wait for MacBook updates and iPhone OS 4.0 revealing in the future.
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The only tech less interesting than this is 3d tvs, and motion controls in video games (all three companies). Will probably succeed due to brand though /smh
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Why don't you judge for yourself?
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