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Tobor said:
I can understand why they did it. Hands on have said that the iPad is very well balanced, and looking at the joojoo video, 16:9 held vertically is kinda funky. It was probably a cost issue as well. Maybe we'll see 16:10 in a future version.

I'm not sure he means aspect ratio, capability to display, or capability to output (to another display).

At any rate, I was shocked that it wasn't widescreen at first, but since the 'default' orientation is portrait, I like the proportions. Yes, I realise there is 'no right way to hold it'.

They still call it a widescreen display though, which is kind of false advertising.
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
I don't know TV tech, but is this the same sort of situation as when you buy a 1024x768 16:9 widescreen plasma TV? iPad looks pretty wide to me, even if it's using a 4:3 resolution.

I was wondering the same thing.
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
I don't know TV tech, but is this the same sort of situation as when you buy a 1024x768 16:9 widescreen plasma TV? iPad looks pretty wide to me, even if it's using a 4:3 resolution.

I don't really know either, but I'm pretty sure the display itself is 4:3

I couldn't be bother ed actually measuring the display itself, but I took the 132ppi (assuming square pixels), multiplied those by the resolution, used some pythagoras and came out with a diagonal of 9.7", the reported diagonal.

I assume the display is 4:3.
 
mrkgoo said:
I don't really know either, but I'm pretty sure the display itself is 4:3

I couldn't be bother ed actually measuring the display itself, but I took the 132ppi (assuming square pixels), multiplied those by the resolution, used some pythagoras and came out with a diagonal of 9.7", the reported diagonal.

I assume the display is 4:3.
Word.

It's bullshit that they'd say this is widescreen then, but they did this with the iPhone too.
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
Word.

It's bullshit that they'd say this is widescreen then, but they did this with the iPhone too.


Just checked teh dimensions of the actual device: 1.27:1. (4:3 = 1.33), and the screen looks more or less similar to the bezel.

Yeah, iPhone 3:2 (which was cool as that's the aspect ratio for DSLR photos), which is 1.5:1. But at least that is MORE wide screen than a TV. The iPad is literally 4:3.
 
My iPhone is my favorite phone I've ever used so I am in no way anti-Apple, but this device really offers nothing for me. I do not see anything innovative about it, it's just a big iPod touch with a new eBook store.

That being said I believe it has 2 markets that could make it successful.

It kind of reminds me of the Wii because the Wii is appealing to people who never cared about games before, well the iPad has a pretty good chance to appealing to people who never cared about having a computer before just because of how simple and easy the email and web browsing will be on it. In other words it might be a computer to finally get your grandma.

The other market are those would would buy a kindle. I wouldn't buy an eBook reader myself but if I did then I'd definitely rather have an iPad than a kindle. The kindle seems to be pretty successful so it could end up taking a lot of that market away, and if it does that means a lot of new revenue from eBook purchases.
 
SuicideUZI said:
My iPhone is my favorite phone I've ever used so I am in no way anti-Apple, but this device really offers nothing for me. I do not see anything innovative about it, it's just a big iPod touch with a new eBook store.

That being said I believe it has 2 markets that could make it successful.

It kind of reminds me of the Wii because the Wii is appealing to people who never cared about games before, well the iPad has a pretty good chance to appealing to people who never cared about having a computer before just because of how simple and easy the email and web browsing will be on it. In other words it might be a computer to finally get your grandma.

The other market are those would would buy a kindle. I wouldn't buy an eBook reader myself but if I did then I'd definitely rather have an iPad than a kindle. The kindle seems to be pretty successful so it could end up taking a lot of that market away, and if it does that means a lot of new revenue from eBook purchases.

Common sentiments throughout the thread. I would add that the bigger screen is not something to be casually tossed aside. A bigger screen for this Os opens up opportunities.
 
I'm sure that this has been posted before but I find it very interesting and very strange.
Seems that something will come at that new SDK in March. Probably Apple's hiding Verizon or something bigger. I don't know. It's weird.

Boy Genius Report claims to have received information from a source regarding iPhone OS 4.0, which is rumored to be introduced at next week's media event in San Francisco. According to the source, iPhone OS 4.0 will be limited to the iPhone 3G and 3GS (presumably including at least more recent iPod touch models and omitting the original iPhone) and will incorporate solutions for multitasking by running applications in the background and a revamped user interface for easier navigation.

  • There will be multi-touch gestures OS-wide. (Would make sense for that as the rumored OS for the iTablet is close if not the same as the iPhone)
  • "A few new ways" to run applications in the background -- multitasking.
  • Many graphical and UI changes to make navigating through the OS easier and more efficient. We haven't had this broken down, but we can only hope for improved notifications, a refreshed homescreen, etc.
  • The update will supposedly be available for only the iPhone 3G and 3GS, but will "put them ahead in the smartphone market because it will make them more like full-fledged computers" more than any other phone to date. Everyone is "really excited".

Source:
MacRumors via BGR
 
Vennt said:
Well, as I said above, the Tegra 2 SoC is using a dual-core A9 Cortex, with nVidia GPU and logic, whereas the A4 is using a single-core A9 Cortex with ARM Mali GPU & Logic. So you don't need benchmarks to know which is going to be faster.
the mali GPU part was pulled out of thin air by BSN. i really, really would not count too much on that.
 
Buckethead said:
I'm sure that this has been posted before but I find it very interesting and very strange.
Seems that something will come at that new SDK in March. Probably Apple's hiding Verizon or something bigger. I don't know. It's weird.



Source:
MacRumors via BGR
A lot of the rumors and speculation never came to fruition. What makes this an exception? iPhone is 4.0 wasn't even spoken of at the media event sk this discredits this info already.
 
So since the 3.2 was touted to run on the iPad, which ships at the end of March, I doubt we'll see 4.0 until the end of Summer. The next iPhone revision may have 4.0 or it may launch with 3.2 (or say 3.3).

If it gets pushed much later in the year, 4.0 could just premiere at the annual iPod refresh event in September, showing 4.0 running on iPhone, iPad and new iPods.

Edit: FWIW, WWDC is at the end of June.
 
Man I've been looking up on the other tablets and man I'm really starting to get fond of these things. I found them all to be impressive though none of them had a GUI as good as Apple's.

I can't wait to see what these things are capable of a few years down the line.
 
LiveFromKyoto said:
It seems pretty clear that portable media server wasn't really one of the main functions they had in mind when they built this thing. The storage isn't really there, especially for 1080p media - that probably played a part in their decision.

Yeah, I can live with the lack of 1080p support. I'm still left wondering why they didn't include 720p output though. Crap, the Zune HD can do it.



mrkgoo said:
I'm not sure he means aspect ratio, capability to display, or capability to output (to another display).

I was referring to the first and last.


mrkgoo said:
Just checked teh dimensions of the actual device: 1.27:1. (4:3 = 1.33), and the screen looks more or less similar to the bezel.

Yeah, iPhone 3:2 (which was cool as that's the aspect ratio for DSLR photos), which is 1.5:1. But at least that is MORE wide screen than a TV. The iPad is literally 4:3.

Yeah. For movie playing, I think I'd find it a bit less distracting if the bezel wasn't already fairly substantial.
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
I don't know TV tech, but is this the same sort of situation as when you buy a 1024x768 16:9 widescreen plasma TV? iPad looks pretty wide to me, even if it's using a 4:3 resolution.

1024x768 does actually fit within the HD spec. It uses XGA res (1024x768) with non square pixels to display a 16x9 image.

I'm not sure whether the iPad uses non square pixels, but it's not a typical 4:3 aspect ratio. Besides, it's already been discussed that a 16:9 device would have been silly in portrait mode.
 
Vennt said:
Not wanting the device because it doesn't have an OS that suits you is one thing, arguing that features people may want in the future are unlikely to be added because it doesn't have an OS that could support such features is overstepping the mark.

And as for "stepping back" - Maybe you should consider why you remain in a thread arguing about a product you have no interest in. Introspection goes both ways.


That's not what warranted the snippy comments-- and I am very interested, just not in buying one.

Seriously, I'm an Apple fan, thisn't some random hate, but interest in what seems like a misstep by a company I like. People's reactions pro and con interest me a lot. Seeing people attacked does not.
 
Flying_Phoenix said:
I can't wait to see what these things are capable of a few years down the line.
Same, I think tablets will play a large role in the future, especially as the specs get more and more impressive. I'd like to buy one now just to enjoy the ride, but I think it's smarter to wait it out.
 
Burger said:
1024x768 does actually fit within the HD spec. It uses XGA res (1024x768) with non square pixels to display a 16x9 image.

I'm not sure whether the iPad uses non square pixels, but it's not a typical 4:3 aspect ratio. Besides, it's already been discussed that a 16:9 device would have been silly in portrait mode.

If you look at the analysis, above, if you assume square pixels, the device pans out to the dimensions that are given.

It's not Widescreen. It would be silly at this stage to not use square pixels, as the iPhone does, and you don't really want to be squishing images/apps back and for tho fir a non-square pixel display.



Why is not a typical 1024x768 4:3 display? 1024x768 is 4:3, the screen is 4:3 , the pixels seem to be square. What makes it not typical?
 
mrkgoo said:
Why is not a typical 1024x768 4:3 display? 1024x768 is 4:3, the screen is 4:3 , the pixels seem to be square. What makes it not typical?

No you are right, it is 4:3, I think the portrait mode was throwing me off. And yeah, it would have been mental for a computing device to not use 1:1 pixel ratios.
 
Burger said:
No you are right, it is 4:3, I think the portrait mode was throwing me off. And yeah, it would have been mental for a computing device to not use 1:1 pixel ratios.

Other than movies, 4:3 is totally fine for this sort of device. My personal preference would perhaps have been 3:2, just to fit SLR photos more natively, but it's not that big a deal. OSX has pretty nice core scaling for displays, so I'm not worried here.
 
Burger said:
1024x768 does actually fit within the HD spec. It uses XGA res (1024x768) with non square pixels to display a 16x9 image.

I'm not sure whether the iPad uses non square pixels, but it's not a typical 4:3 aspect ratio. Besides, it's already been discussed that a 16:9 device would have been silly in portrait mode.

why would 16:9 be silly in portrait mode?
 
Sentry said:
Same, I think tablets will play a large role in the future, especially as the specs get more and more impressive. I'd like to buy one now just to enjoy the ride, but I think it's smarter to wait it out.

Same here.

I'll just wait until Pixel Qi, 1080p output, anti-glare screens, and the GUI are tweaked up.

I'll probably pick a tablet (most likely the iPad thanks to Apples amazing GUI's) up 2 years from now to replace my Macbook Pro while picking up an iMac (please octocore Ivy Bridge!)

That saying I imagine that they'll be room for all forms of computing, but I do think tablets will take a significant way.
 
Burger said:
No you are right, it is 4:3, I think the portrait mode was throwing me off. And yeah, it would have been mental for a computing device to not use 1:1 pixel ratios.

Yeah. It's pretty clearly square pixels. There's no reason for a computing display to use something else.

Considering the iPhone is 3:2, I don't think Apple is terribly worried about having an exact 720p display. Their video output is entirely bitrate based anyway; you'll be able to display scaled 720p HD on the iPad just as you can do 640x480 scaled SD on the iPhone.

The point about landscape keyboards is probably fair, too; I wonder if they went through some 16:9 prototypes at first...
 
gcubed said:
why would 16:9 be silly in portrait mode?


As a pure aspect ratio 16:9 doesn't have many uses outside of video.

Speaking for portrait orientation:

Generally speaking, just be too long. Sure, some apps could use the vertical space for longer page forms, or to add controls and stuff, but most won't benefit from the extra length.

Of course, size is all relative. You have to make assumptions on whether a 16:9 ratio iPad would be larger or smaller than the current (i.e. more space or less space?).

So rather than seeing 16:9 as being "extra space" on the top and bottom, it could just as easily be seen as having "less space" on the sides.


As a pure aesthetic ratio, 1.77 (16:9) is not balanced. Neither is 1.333 (4:3). The preferred ratio would actually be 1.41, the square root of 2. With this ratio, if you split a a screen in half on the long axis, the resulting two halves are the exact same ratio, just turned around. That way you can have apps that when rotated into landscape have two portrait screens, side by side of the exact same aspect ratio.

I think about this stuff a lot for no reason, as it doesn't really mean anything in practical terms (you can always work around aspect ratios by introducing borders and gaps).
 
Zaraki_Kenpachi said:
Because it would really skinny and make it much harder to use the keyboard in portrait if it was 16:9.

Not to mention it would be silly in landscape too, maybe even a bigger issue. A default qwerty keyboard with square keys will have a characteristic aspect ratio. To keep this on a 16:9 display would mean you take up over two thirds of the bottom of the screen, and leave a sliver of a display to type in. The 3:2 aspect ratio of the iPhone is already bad enough for this, let alone a 16:9 one.

Of course, you can always have the key board smaller on the screen, but I think they really wanted to gas big as they could for the land scape keyboard.
 
gcubed said:
why would 16:9 be silly in portrait mode?

It would work well for video in landscape mode, obviously, but for websites (and other apps) in portrait mode it would be far too narrow and in landscape mode it wouldn't be deep enough.

It wouldn't make sense to develop the display solely around the idea of watching widescreen video, considering the 1000 other ways the device would be used.

Solution ? Compromise.
 
My guesses:

1. The device felt more balanced and weighted in your hand as 4:3. (say when you're holding vertically while on the couch). Damn you gravity!
2. Keyboard issues brought up above me.
3. iBooks/iWork or other applications wouldn't feel right in such a wide mode. A piece of paper is 8.5 x 11.
4. iPhone apps wouldn't scale as well.

Here's the HP slate, which is 16:9.

2010-01-06hpslategal-5.jpg
 
giga said:
My guesses:

1. The device felt more balanced and weighted in your hand as 4:3. (say when you're holding vertically while on the couch). Damn you gravity!
2. Keyboard issues brought up above me.
3. iBooks/iWork or other applications wouldn't feel right in such a wide mode. A piece of paper is 8.5 x 11.
4. iPhone apps wouldn't scale as well.

Here's the HP slate, which is 16:9.

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/01/2010-01-06hpslategal-5.jpg[IMG][/QUOTE]
Good points, plus I think it looks sort of weird vertically if it were to be 16:9, and since that's sort of the 'default' view it doesn't have much sense.
 
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Orange is 4:3, and green is 16:9 (keeping a somewhat similar size).

Going from memory, the bottom shows the keyboards, and how they would presumably be on 16:9.

Of course, you could scale the key board in the landscape 16:9 to be the same size as the 4:3 (which they said was 'nearly full size'), and you'd get a bit more typing room and it wouldn't look as silly.
 
mrkgoo said:
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Orange is 4:3, and green is 16:9 (keeping a somewhat similar size).

Going from memory, the bottom shows the keyboards, and how they would presumably be on 16:9.

Of course, you could scale the key board in the landscape 16:9 to be the same size as the 4:3 (which they said was 'nearly full size'), and you'd get a bit more typing room and it wouldn't look as silly.

Apple should have just given us 16:10 so we can have the best of both worlds.
 
Many cell phones seem to manage working in portrait mode with 848x480 or 800x480 resolutions.

Droid, Nexus One, Touch Pro 2, Diamond 2, X10, HD2, and others.
 
tokkun said:
Many cell phones seem to manage working in portrait mode with 848x480 or 800x480 resolutions.

Droid, Nexus One, Touch Pro 2, Diamond 2, X10, HD2, and others.


They're cellphones. Just because something works in one form factor doesn't mean it translates to all form factors. Cellphones a re small hand held devices - a lot of the content is condensed to a list system, which works well for long forms and stuff.

The Tablet is designed to work nearly equally well in both orientations.
 
Flying_Phoenix said:
Apple should have just given us 16:10 so we can have the best of both worlds.

I think 16:10 is still too unwieldily in portrait mode. I think the "widest" they could go would be what they did with the iPhones ratio, 1.5:1. But I think I prefer 4:3 even to that, it looks like it works better with a device that large.
 
the diagrams were good, thanks... i love and often use 16:9 in portrait mode for surfing webpages, and especially news sites or sites with a lot of text/images so i dont buy that it wont work for anything but video, but i do see that it would probably be harder to scale iphone apps for ipad use, which is basically one of the advantages of the ipad
 
Weight distribution was almost certainly a factor. A 16:9 10" display might be top heavy while trying to type in portrait mode.
 
Tobor said:
Weight distribution was almost certainly a factor. A 16:9 10" display might be top heavy while trying to type in portrait mode.

personally i think it looks more "usable" the then HP Slate as far as screen real estate
 
gcubed said:
the diagrams were good, thanks... i love and often use 16:9 in portrait mode for surfing webpages, and especially news sites or sites with a lot of text/images so i dont buy that it wont work for anything but video, but i do see that it would probably be harder to scale iphone apps for ipad use, which is basically one of the advantages of the ipad

I wouldn't say it wouldn't work for anything else. As I said, they're aspect ratios. Inherently, it doesn't mean you get more or less, it depends on the size.

I believe they sacrificed the landscape a bit so the portrait made more sense. The only thing that real suffers from that sacrifice are wide screen videos which just have to scale down more to fit the 4:3, but I think everything else is ok with the 4:3 in either orientation - it's a more versatile aspect ratio for a device that is supposed to have no 'main' orientation (although I think the portrait is default).
 
The only good thing about the iPad now is its potential. Seriously, they could make this thing SO amazing.

Anyways, this is how I would change things on the iPad. I'm trying to be realistic here based on Apple's recent design decisions (with the exception of #1, which is just my personal wish). Keeping consistent with the market they're trying to reach, and what they're trying to achieve with the device.

1. The aluminum. Not realistically going to change, as Apple (like any other company) needs to stick with a design language. Seeing as they just adopted the unibody language from the Air, this is unsurprisingly incorporated into the iPad's case design. Im not a big fan. I think the black/aluminum combo looks off..always have. I think up until the most recent iMac refresh, that the iMac looked horrid. Now, it looks less so, but mainly thanks to a thinner "chin."

Anyway, I would change the iPad's back casing to a material more like the Zune HD's case. Aluminum and black, and bring back the Apple logo that lights up. They can even keep the unibody.

2. Camera. This is one of the features I was most excited about and made the most sense. Front and back camera. Back for taking photos and front for video chat. I can understand why they didnt do it because of data usage concerns, but they can easily disable video chatting over 3G, and only enable it if there is a Wifi connection.

This would also give them a chance to bring some consistency in regards to the chat app. Instead of "messaging" or "SMS" as it is on the iPhone OS, they could just use iChat consistently across their lineup.

Also, they could bring Photobooth in and have the same feature set as it is on the desktop version.

3. The OS/multi-tasking. Its good, and certainly not surprising. The OS when it was first announced was good and is still good by todays standards. When it comes to multitasking, I can understand Apple's concerns with multitasking in terms of performance. Yes, I know, they have a custom built 1ghz processor. But because of that processor is why everything is going so fast and snappy. I think they can include multitasking, limit the amount of apps opened at once, and still find a great balance for performance.

And I think they can achieve this multitasking the "Apple way." That is, minimalist and simple to understand via visua/audio cues. Apple's motto for the iPad is obviously "just do it." You dont think about it, you want the computer to do something, the computer has to show that "something" as just that. You touch it, it does.

So in regards to multi-tasking, they can keep the icons the same way, while putting a glowing "outline" (for visual effect, make it pulsate! :lol ) for apps that are currently on. Now, say you want to close it. Simply hold on to that one app and a field similar to the copy/paste field will pop up giving the option to close the app or close the field. Having a 3-4 app limit (not including standard background processes like iPod, notifications) will help keep performance in line.

When it comes to an app that really requires the horsepower, simply pop up a notification asking the user to close all their apps before opening this video game. Or, better yet, have that notification give the option to close all apps or cancel.

4. Packed in apps: The main thing that Apple could've done to help create a mental "gap" for this product (instead of it just being a bigger iPhone in everyone's mind) is the included apps. Have iLife on there like its full fledged PC cousins. iPhoto, iChat, Garageband, Photobooth..etc.

The photo app could've been replaced by iPhoto..which includes the same (modified and optimized for touch) editing options as well as managing options. If simplicity is what they were worried about; Apple could've kept the interface now but add an "Advanced" tab for the iPhoto management and editing features.

This will go a long way in showing this product as a singular product not dependent on another product. Currently, it requires you to plug this into a PC to sync all photo management changes. Having the ability to affect the things in the iPad within the OS itself would've showed this product as more then "just" a larger iPhone.

The ability to edit songs via Garageband will give it a legs up with the audiophile crowd. Especially those who use Macs for DJing and mixing. They plug their stuff in and record, they mix and edit their songs..etc etc. Optimize it for touch, and you have a real winner here for people to actually use this thing. If they're worried about competing with their own App store, well..truth is there will always be something better out there. People can choose to use Garageband or their own software, given its available on the app store.

Photobooth for all those snazzy photo effects and video effects. This will actually go a long way to helping the iPad be a "fun" toy as well as productive.


5. iTunes. Purchase some damn shareware companies and use their amazing software. They bought the company that made that awesome (now default) iTunes visualizer. Now they should spend that money on actually buying some companies that might make iTunes better for the iPad.

Apple doesnt know this, but having the iTunes software on the iPad actually contradicts a lot of the design decisions they made with the product. Its not a bad thing, its a good thing actually! Reality is, the whole unit other then the iPod app screams "larger iPhone" so people expect to see just a larger "iPod" interface. Instead, they'll see an iTunes interface.

Again, it was a good decision. Fact is, all that awesome album art wont look as good on a bigger screen (although, I know, that the option to have the iPod interface is still there). Plus, just for the sake of usability, having the iTunes software in there is great and really helps move it away from the larger iPhone thing I keep talking about.

What they need to do is get a software like GimmeSomeTunes and integrate it with iTunes. That way, while they're surfing the web or doing whatever, when a new song pops up a snazzy little notification pops up with the thumbnail of the album art and general song information.


gimmesometune.png


Isn't that snazzy?

6. The "default" orientation of the device based on the Home screens position. To move further away from the "larger iPhone" thing, they should have moved the home screen button away from the "vertical" orientation to the "horizontal" orientation. Creating a mental perception that the "default" orientaion is more like a touch "screen" and not a touch "phone," a perception the iPhone helped developed.

"Why would anyone want to orient the screen vertically" you ask? For books, for certain tasks or apps they want to see more of vertically than horizontally..etc.
 
JayDub said:
The photo app could've been replaced by iPhoto..which includes the same (modified and optimized for touch) editing options as well as managing options. If simplicity is what they were worried about; Apple could've kept the interface now but add an "Advanced" tab for the iPhoto management and editing features.

What they need to do is get a software like GimmeSomeTunes and integrate it with iTunes. That way, while they're surfing the web or doing whatever, when a new song pops up a snazzy little notification pops up with the thumbnail of the album art and general song information.

gimmesometune.png


Isn't that snazzy?
Definitely agree with the iPhoto thing, with the tablet we need to have a default simple image editing app. As for the music notifications however, can't you just double tap the home button?
 
Here's the way I see Apple's vision for this 'simple computer'.


We've been through this before it came out.

Your desktop computer is a file based computer.

On your desktop, you put your files into folders, directories within folders, directories. If you want to watch a movie, or edit a document, or open a photo, you find the file and double-click and the computer chooses the application and opens it.

This is how the operating system is organised. But is that how we actually use them? To be honest, I very seldomly go browsing through my folders. If I want to play song, I don't go looking for the file. I open iTunes and get iTunes to find it. How often do you just open Word, and click 'open recent' to get to that document you were last working on? Sure, you go looking for PDFs to view, but that's because there isn't a default application to organise those for you (actually, I have an app for that). That it's it's exactly the opposite of what the OS is designed for. You choose the app, the computer finds the file.

If this is how we use a computer, why not design one around that?

The iPad is an application based computer. It throws the applications you use the most on the home screen, and that's what you see. That's how you navigate. By what you want to do.

Of course there's still a time and place for the file-based computer. I'm not saying that the iPad style is better. But it is for some things, namely general usage and media consumption. The iPhone OS is perfect for such a device. And a bigger screen opens the doors to making it possible.

It makes every bit of sense to release a 'bigger iPod touch'.
 
Am I the only one wondering what the 4.0 update could bring for the iPad?

It's like... the device will be out end of March, and just 3 months or so later, there should already be a pretty extensive OS update (if past iPhone OS updates are anything to go by).

That is, of course, assuming Apple lumps iPad and iPhone updates together. Which, seeing as they're both iPhone OS would be logical.
 
Sentry said:
Definitely agree with the iPhoto thing, with the tablet we need to have a default simple image editing app. As for the music notifications however, can't you just double tap the home button?

iPhoto for the iPad would be cool. I wouldn't need all the tools, but a pared down version of iPhoto, mostly for the management side of things.

Thing is, as a consumption device, my photos are already edited before they go on to the iPad. If it were an editing utility for iPhoto, it won't handle my 120GB of photos :lol.

iTunes notifications on the iPhone was gimped a bit in 3.0. Prior, double-clicking would open up the minelayer anywhere, but now it only opens the minelayer when you are already playing media. The notification box that pops up NEEDS a time line, so I know how much I've got to go.

And the iPad better not have the little blue, white outlined box for that. That made sense for a little screen, but it should be a little more fitting for the iPad. I think I will be disappointed here, however.
 
Just as we'd sort of got some decent single profiles in handbrake to cover most bases well in a single encode, along comes another :)

Alhtough tbh I'd probably be happy sticking with the standard encode, especially if it's going to be synced to the ipad. Storage is a little low for lots of high bitrate 720p videos. And if its a 1.85:1 or wider, it'll be way less than 720p on the pad anyway. 1024x553 or even less.
 
cjelly said:
Am I the only one wondering what the 4.0 update could bring for the iPad?

It's like... the device will be out end of March, and just 3 months or so later, there should already be a pretty extensive OS update (if past iPhone OS updates are anything to go by).

That is, of course, assuming Apple lumps iPad and iPhone updates together. Which, seeing as they're both iPhone OS would be logical.

I think you are. I don't think anyone else has speculated. :p
 
cjelly said:
Am I the only one wondering what the 4.0 update could bring for the iPad?

It's like... the device will be out end of March, and just 3 months or so later, there should already be a pretty extensive OS update (if past iPhone OS updates are anything to go by).

That is, of course, assuming Apple lumps iPad and iPhone updates together. Which, seeing as they're both iPhone OS would be logical.
I thought the iPad was 'based' on the iPhone OS, not that it was actually running it.. if so, that's pretty damn weird, will cause quite the confusion with software updates.

mrkgoo said:
iTunes notifications on the iPhone was gimped a bit in 3.0. Prior, double-clicking would open up the minelayer anywhere, but now it only opens the minelayer when you are already playing media. The notification box that pops up NEEDS a time line, so I know how much I've got to go.

And the iPad better not have the little blue, white outlined box for that. That made sense for a little screen, but it should be a little more fitting for the iPad. I think I will be disappointed here, however.
Now that we have more screen realestate, I guess it would make sense to have a nicer/full fledged mini menu popup.
 
mrkgoo said:
iPhoto for the iPad would be cool. I wouldn't need all the tools, but a pared down version of iPhoto, mostly for the management side of things.

Thing is, as a consumption device, my photos are already edited before they go on to the iPad. If it were an editing utility for iPhoto, it won't handle my 120GB of photos :lol.

iTunes notifications on the iPhone was gimped a bit in 3.0. Prior, double-clicking would open up the minelayer anywhere, but now it only opens the minelayer when you are already playing media. The notification box that pops up NEEDS a time line, so I know how much I've got to go.

And the iPad better not have the little blue, white outlined box for that. That made sense for a little screen, but it should be a little more fitting for the iPad. I think I will be disappointed here, however.


Sentry said:
Definitely agree with the iPhoto thing, with the tablet we need to have a default simple image editing app. As for the music notifications however, can't you just double tap the home button?

mrkgoo: Agreed with the color of the notification box. That thing needs to Applefied.
Sentry: Yes, you can. And like mrkgoo said, it would be nice to have a timestamp of the song. But, in regards to how it would work from what I was describing:

You're on the iPad, browsing, email..whatever. Muse is playing and it ends. The next song comes up and thats it. There is no purely visual cue to tell you what song is playing next. Not sure if you ever used Gimmesometune, but it basically fades in with that exact notification pictured, and then fades out after a couple of seconds. Obviously you would know what song came up next, its your music..but its a nice little visual touch.

mrkgoo said:
Here's the way I see Apple's vision for this 'simple computer'.


We've been through this before it came out.

Your desktop computer is a file based computer.

On your desktop, you put your files into folders, directories within folders, directories. If you want to watch a movie, or edit a document, or open a photo, you find the file and double-click and the computer chooses the application and opens it.

This is how the operating system is organised. But is that how we actually use them? To be honest, I very seldomly go browsing through my folders. If I want to play song, I don't go looking for the file. I open iTunes and get iTunes to find it. How often do you just open Word, and click 'open recent' to get to that document you were last working on? Sure, you go looking for PDFs to view, but that's because there isn't a default application to organise those for you (actually, I have an app for that). That it's it's exactly the opposite of what the OS is designed for. You choose the app, the computer finds the file.

If this is how we use a computer, why not design one around that?

The iPad is an application based computer. It throws the applications you use the most on the home screen, and that's what you see. That's how you navigate. By what you want to do.

Of course there's still a time and place for the file-based computer. I'm not saying that the iPad style is better. But it is for some things, namely general usage and media consumption. The iPhone OS is perfect for such a device. And a bigger screen opens the doors to making it possible.

It makes every bit of sense to release a 'bigger iPod touch'.

You're absolutely right. The iPhone OS is perfect for the iPad. Wasn't surprised at all. However, the execution is missing just that much polish. iPhone OS + improvements that I mentioned = great tablet, defined device with a clear focus on what its trying to do. Potential potential potential.
 
Sentry said:
I thought the iPad was 'based' on the iPhone OS, not that it was actually running it.. if so, that's pretty damn weird, will cause quite the confusion with software updates.
Well.. the iPads on the floor last Wednesday were running iPhone OS 3.2. Apple said that release is just for iPads.

Makes no sense to just have the iPad as a dot release if they don't intend combining the updates with the iPhone at some point in the future.
 
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