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A quicky; I think it's still under NDA but I've heard talks that the 3.2 iPAD SDK support pages mention specifically that 1280x720 output is indeed supported.
 
JayDub said:
The ability to edit songs via Garageband will give it a legs up with the audiophile crowd. Especially those who use Macs for DJing and mixing.
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Garageband's not a bad program at all, pretty flexible, but neither of those crowds really use it. Too limited for the audiophiles, doesn't really have much to offer DJs. It's good to start out on, good for rough recording, good for podcasts.

For DJs you could make a much better touch-focused app (though most digital DJs want to have something with a backup hard drive in case things go wrong, tough to do that here).

But the audiophile crowd likely won't be satisfied with anything on the iPad, it's too far behind the curve technologically right now. Digital music production these days is highly resource intensive.
 
JayDub said:
mrkgoo: Agreed with the color of the notification box. That thing needs to Applefied.
Sentry: Yes, you can. And like mrkgoo said, it would be nice to have a timestamp of the song. But, in regards to how it would work from what I was describing:

You're on the iPad, browsing, email..whatever. Muse is playing and it ends. The next song comes up and thats it. There is no purely visual cue to tell you what song is playing next. Not sure if you ever used Gimmesometune, but it basically fades in with that exact notification pictured, and then fades out after a couple of seconds. Obviously you would know what song came up next, its your music..but its a nice little visual touch.
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Hmm. I wouldn't like that. Or at least have the option to turn it off.

I don't mind going to click something to see.
 
mrkgoo said:
Hmm. I wouldn't like that. Or at least have the option to turn it off.

I don't mind going to click something to see.
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I'd rather it just also give the name if you hit home twice than a notification popup like that. That would get really annoying really fast.
 
Pristine_Condition said:
It's funny to see how Mark Cuban has changed in the last year and a half. The guy was not a fan of Apple for YEARS, being a pretty outspoken critic about most things Apple, but buying an iPod Touch basically changed his mind on everything.
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That's how it always happens. :lol
 
Something that Iw as just thinking about...

The appstore has just been created again. Afresh.

The pricing structure, the marketplace is all reset to zero in some ways. The audience is going to be fundamentally different to the iPod Touch/iPhone crowd. You'll have less cheapskates for one. Maybe. Maybe not. We can't really say.

This may be the best answer to the problem of the Appstore where everyone is rushing to 99c just to get noticed. I remember people feeling around for what is an appropriate price for certain apps. Games that cost 99c now would've been released at $5 or $10 a the start.

The iPad is starting that again. People will wonder what a high-res game is going to cost. What an app with more power features is going to cost. It may balance out to be no different, but it may not. It's like starting over that process all over again.
 
blu said:
well, isn't that what i said? no operating system's scheduler does process prioritization, not on a macro level anyway. everything a scheduler does is make sure that the computational resources processes are given correspond to some pre-established picture of priorities, that's all. as such, the question of background/foreground/only-on-weekends/etc is not the scheduler's business. but that does not mean the question does not stand as such - it clearly does in a work-oriented environment.


how many priorities a process/thread can have with a preemptive scheduler does not really solve the fundamental problem of meta-prioritization. the latter concerns the problem of particular work done per unit of time.


whether the ipad, per se, requires a paradigm shift or not is one thing. but whenever the question of workload efficiency stands, the paradigm gets a shift away from dumb multitasking. there's a reason why many real-time, workload-oriented environments are cooperative-multitasking; with cooperative multitasking the question of work done per unit of time is inherently connected to activity-oriented scheduling - that's what cooperation is. preemptive environments try to mimic activity-oriented scheduling, and often fail. at the end of the day closed, cooperative ecosystems are the most work-efficient thing people have invented so far. this is one of the reason why outer-space exploration robots run cooperative-multitasking RT OSes and not embedded linux, solaris, or any other unix flavor ; )


nobody knows anything yet. the only educated guess one can make at this point is that the A4 is probably an A9 derivative design, largely a responsibility of PA semi.
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Modern UNIX schedulers absolutely can and do handle "activity" or "workload" oriented environments. Your mythical "dumb multitasking" does not exist, and has not existed for decades. The whole point of all of the advanced priority levels in UNIX is that they are specifically designed for what you are trying to argue in your "activity" model. This is basis for how i/o systems work in UNIX.

I can be as granular as I want in UNIX. I can have attributes defined in kernel or user space for priority control as well. I can define which users, groups, processes or threads have the authority to escalate or decrease priority. I can define scenarios that can context switch to RT at any time. I can define certain i/o subsystems to have whatever priority or scheduling they need, in both kernel and user space.

As far as true real time OS use in aerospace, that has nothing to do with what this device does. Real RT OSes were/are used mainly for atomicity of time, memory limitations and legacy systems/code.

The argument to use cooperative multitasking is not only a chronological step backwards, but also a technical step backwards. Like I mentioned before, I believe Apple is doing this by design. I would imagine for consistency with the iphone OS and respect for memory limitations.
 
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mrkgoo said:
Something that Iw as just thinking about...

The appstore has just been created again. Afresh.

The pricing structure, the marketplace is all reset to zero in some ways. The audience is going to be fundamentally different to the iPod Touch/iPhone crowd. You'll have less cheapskates for one. Maybe. Maybe not. We can't really say.

This may be the best answer to the problem of the Appstore where everyone is rushing to 99c just to get noticed. I remember people feeling around for what is an appropriate price for certain apps. Games that cost 99c now would've been released at $5 or $10 a the start.

The iPad is starting that again. People will wonder what a high-res game is going to cost. What an app with more power features is going to cost. It may balance out to be no different, but it may not. It's like starting over that process all over again.
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I don't see how that is a good thing at all.
 
titiklabingapat said:
I don't see how that is a good thing at all.
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It's a great thing IMO. I think there are far too many novelty 99c apps on the App Store and I would really like to see more "serious" apps made for the iPad.

Apple making the iWork suite for the iPad should hopefully create a market for that kind of stuff.
 
Scalemail Ted said:
I just realized that apple is making the XO-3!

http://gizmodo.com/5432351/olpc-xo+3-an-impossible-75-fantasy-tablet-i-want-to-believe-in


On a more serious note:

Is there any possibility that a stylus can be developed in unison with the touchscreen to support proper handwriting recognition?
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You just need a capacitive pen which you can already buy.
Sean said:
It's a great thing IMO. I think there are far too many novelty 99c apps on the App Store and I would really like to see more "serious" apps made for the iPad.

Apple making the iWork suite for the iPad should hopefully create a market for that kind of stuff.
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There have already been people making them for the iphone but they've just sucked horribly which is what turns people off of stuff like that.
Aurora said:
It's an iPod Touch with a bigger screen. Hooray.
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You're trolling. Hooray.
 
Zaraki_Kenpachi said:
You just need a capacitive pen which you can already buy.
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Holy shit...

If that's it... then I'm ready for it, I want one! It'll be able to do what I want which is to act as a digital notepad.

Does apple have anything similar to OneNote?
 
mrkgoo said:
Something that Iw as just thinking about...

The appstore has just been created again. Afresh.

The pricing structure, the marketplace is all reset to zero in some ways. The audience is going to be fundamentally different to the iPod Touch/iPhone crowd. You'll have less cheapskates for one. Maybe. Maybe not. We can't really say.

This may be the best answer to the problem of the Appstore where everyone is rushing to 99c just to get noticed. I remember people feeling around for what is an appropriate price for certain apps. Games that cost 99c now would've been released at $5 or $10 a the start.

The iPad is starting that again. People will wonder what a high-res game is going to cost. What an app with more power features is going to cost. It may balance out to be no different, but it may not. It's like starting over that process all over again.
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Apple also just created a market-based positive feedback loop. iPad users will demand that iPhone/iPod Touch developers create more feature rich versions of their iPhone/iPod Touch apps for their iPads. iPhone/iPod Touch users get jealous that they can't use the "best" versions of their favorite apps (often times the app-makers won't even charge extra), so they get sucked into buying an iPad.
 
titiklabingapat said:
I don't see how that is a good thing at all.
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What is not a good thing? I'm just saying the starting the App Store from scratch. Like a new beginning. It can go in different directions or it can go in the same direction we don't know. People have knowledge of at least what to expect this time around.

Are you saying that you'd rather it not start again? You like the current appstore that much?

Or are you saying you hate the current appstore and you don't even want it to happen? YOu want no apps?

Or you just want an open market? And multitasking? And Flash?
 
Update: I feel I need to set something straight to stop the rampant misrepresentation of this post. Firstly, this is not the official Flash blog of Adobe. I am one of hundreds of employees that blog. Secondly, regarding the screenshot of the adult website, that was added by me in an attempt to be humorous. Not surprisingly Adobe did not find this humorous at all and that is why I removed it. So there is no official Adobe movement to “play the porn card” like some “news” outlets are reporting. It is only an individual employee who overlooked the fact that some people are offended by the idea of adult content on the web. As for the main idea of this post, Adobe believes that something that ignores a huge part of the web cannot be the ultimate browsing experience. Personally I love Apple products, especially my iPhone, and that is why I’m so passionate about all this.
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Haha, ouch, would love to have been a fly on the wall at that meeting at Adobe, because you just know from that update that he got his ass reamed big time for that blog post.
 
Scalemail Ted said:
Holy shit...

If that's it... then I'm ready for it, I want one! It'll be able to do what I want which is to act as a digital notepad.

Does apple have anything similar to OneNote?
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giga said:
RE: My post on desktop class applications which will separate this from an oversized iPhone/Touch: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=19521790&postcount=2118

It begins. OmniGroup bringing five of their OS X apps to the iPad: http://blog.omnigroup.com/2010/01/29/ipad-or-bust/

OmniGraffle, OmniOutliner, OmniPlan, OmniFocus, and OmniGraphSketcher. :D
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Scalemail Ted said:
Holy shit...

If that's it... then I'm ready for it, I want one! It'll be able to do what I want which is to act as a digital notepad.

Does apple have anything similar to OneNote?
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Apple themselves doesn't, no. But a third party probably will put something similar out near release. Or at least you would think so since it'd be easy money.
 
Zaraki_Kenpachi said:
You're trolling. Hooray.
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What can I do with an iPad that I can't with my iPod Touch? As far as I saw from the conference, they both have exactly the same features.

I'm just trying to see how the hype is justified.
 
Aurora said:
What can I do with an iPad that I can't with my iPod Touch? As far as I saw from the conference, they both have exactly the same features.

I'm just trying to see how the hype is justified.
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It's a more capable, larger screen device. If you cannot see what is more capable on a larger screen, then there is no hope for you. You simply have no imagination.

For one, it's so much faster and responsive. I keep hearing that that it is really slick.

iBooks and the ibook store.

iWork. You can't tell me this brought to an iPod touch is the same thing.

Gestures will be much more competent on a larger device.

Apps going to a bigger screen (and the chip to be able to power them) means apps move from being fun little toys to being able to do more.
 
It's funny how they left the compass in the Wifi version. I find there's little use for it outside of being big compass. REally, what can you do with that compass when you don't have 3G and GPS?
 
Luckydude23 said:
You know, I can't imagine myself carrying around one of these. The design itself looks kinda...big?
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I don't think it's inhibitively large, but I probably won't carry one around either. I'll carry it if there's a need to bring just like all my other gadgets, bar my phone, which I pretty much bring everywhere.
 
I've seen contrary things posted in this thread and also elsewhere so just to clear it up:

  • The SDK event is in March
  • The iPhone is updated in June
  • SDK was only 1.1.5 version before being updated to 2.X
  • SDK was only 2.2.1 before before being updated to 3.X
  • Currently the SDK OS is 3.2
 
mrkgoo said:
It's a more capable, larger screen device. If you cannot see what is more capable on a larger screen, then there is no hope for you. You simply have no imagination.

For one, it's so much faster and responsive. I keep hearing that that it is really slick.

iBooks and the ibook store.

iWork. You can't tell me this brought to an iPod touch is the same thing.

Gestures will be much more competent on a larger device.

Apps going to a bigger screen (and the chip to be able to power them) means apps move from being fun little toys to being able to do more.
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I accept all these points, but it just amounts to them taking the iPod Touch and making it bigger. To be fair, I think the iPod Touch/iPhone was the single greatest gadget of the 00s so I guess this is the natural step up, just not as revolutionary as everyone seems to be making out.
 
mrkgoo said:
It's funny how they left the compass in the Wifi version. I find there's little use for it outside of being big compass. REally, what can you do with that compass when you don't have 3G and GPS?
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you can get approximate location from wifi? And with a compass you can get those cool augmented reality apps, overlaying information on the camera ima........oh wait.
 
Buckethead said:
I've seen contrary things posted in this thread and also elsewhere so just to clear it up:

  • The SDK event is in March
  • The iPhone is updated in June
  • SDK was only 1.1.5 version before being updated to 2.X
  • SDK was only 2.2.1 before before being updated to 3.X
  • Currently the SDK OS is 3.2
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good timing for an iPad which comes out at the end of march.
 
Zaraki_Kenpachi said:
There have already been people making them for the iphone but they've just sucked horribly which is what turns people off of stuff like that.
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I should've been more clear, by "serious" apps I didn't mean just Office-style productivity apps (although those fall under that category). I'm just talking about apps with real effort put into them like Beejive IM or Things or Tweetie for example. Apps that actually have a purpose and ones that you'd use daily and put on the first page of your homescreen etc.

I'm hoping that iPad will allow more of those types of apps to be made and be successful.
 
I think I might actually end up getting one. I realised yesterday morning that browsing the web and writing notes on my ipod touch is incredibly frustrating and carrying around a heavy laptop (which I mainly use for writing and web browsing) isn't a great experience (especially when it keeps on cracking - thanks Apple!).

I'll probably end up getting the wifi only model and use the iphone as a portable internet browsing device and camera (which I can wirelessly sync to the ipad).

I've also discovered a brilliant £11.99 app called Storyboard Composer which will allow me to do some pretty cool work on my short film scripts if it's blown up on the iPad screen.
 
Yeah, I think the app store will be key to the iPad.

I wonder how difficult it is to make your own apps. What kind of language are the apps developed in?
 
Sean said:
I should've been more clear, by "serious" apps I didn't mean just Office-style productivity apps (although those fall under that category). I'm just talking about apps with real effort put into them like Beejive IM or Things or Tweetie for example. Apps that actually have a purpose and ones that you'd use daily and put on the first page of your homescreen etc.

I'm hoping that iPad will allow more of those types of apps to be made and be successful.
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I don't think anything has to change for them to be successful. Most of those are good and people are buying them, it's just that there are a lot shitty half done apps too.
 
I was thinking about the relationship between the iPhone/iPod Touch and the iPad, and the fact that in all likelihood, the A4 is based on Cortex A9, which is quite a jump up from Cortex A8 in the iPhone 3GS (higher clock, higher IPC, OOOe and possibly dual core for A9).

I don't the apps that are written for the iPad are something that can even be ported later for the iPhone/iPod Touch, especially if the A4 is a dual core A9 implementation. I mean, dual core A9 should even out muscle single core single threaded Atom @ 1.6GHz!

So when does Apple start separating the App store based on device power? Or do they force all app vendors to write scalable apps? Come March, there will be 3 power levels represented in their iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad platform (ARM11 + MBX, Cortex A8 + SGX, single or dual core Cortex A9 + ???).
 
Shogmaster said:
I was thinking about the relationship between the iPhone/iPod Touch and the iPad, and the fact that in all likelihood, the A4 is based on Cortex A9, which is quite a jump up from Cortex A8 in the iPhone 3GS (higher clock, higher IPC, OOOe and possibly dual core for A9).

I don't the apps that are written for the iPad are something that can even be ported later for the iPhone/iPod Touch, especially if the A4 is a dual core A9 implementation. I mean, dual core A9 should even out muscle single core single threaded Atom @ 1.6GHz!

So when does Apple start separating the App store based on device power? Or do they force all app vendors to write scalable apps? Come March, there will be 3 power levels represented in their iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad platform (ARM11 + MBX, Cortex A8 + SGX, single or dual core Cortex A9 + ???).
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We're already past that point. You can write a 3GS only app right now. There are already a few on the app store. The Unreal Engine Demo that Epic has been showing off is 3GS only as well.
 
Shogmaster said:
I was thinking about the relationship between the iPhone/iPod Touch and the iPad, and the fact that in all likelihood, the A4 is based on Cortex A9, which is quite a jump up from Cortex A8 in the iPhone 3GS (higher clock, higher IPC, OOOe and possibly dual core for A9).

I don't the apps that are written for the iPad are something that can even be ported later for the iPhone/iPod Touch, especially if the A4 is a dual core A9 implementation. I mean, dual core A9 should even out muscle single core single threaded Atom @ 1.6GHz!

So when does Apple start separating the App store based on device power? Or do they force all app vendors to write scalable apps? Come March, there will be 3 power levels represented in their iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad platform (ARM11 + MBX, Cortex A8 + SGX, single or dual core Cortex A9 + ???).
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iPad apps will be in a separate category from the others in the App Store. Scott Forstall said something like that in the keynote.

Bitmap Frogs said:
Adobe is pissed =(

The blacked out iPad was displaying Bang Bros with glorious blue bricks instead of porn, FYI.

http://theflashblog.com/images/ipud.jpg
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/kigiphoto/4314276957/
 
The VP of iPhone software looks really bizarre in that video. It's like he stuck his finger in an electric socket. Why don't they tell him to blink?
 
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