PetriP-TNT
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I agree and hope that Flash will die soon but I don't think that iPad is going to have any influence on that.
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SuperPac
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LovingSteam said:
Likely day one of the 3G model's availability as long as I don't have to stand in line (very long) to get one. I won't get the Wifi-only model though. If it involves standing in line or not being able to reserve one, I'll wait a week or two.
I'm gonna go with the 32GB 3G. Don't need any more than that. Could probably get by with the 16GB 3G.
LiveFromKyoto
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LovingSteam said:
Yeah, if I do get one the 32 GB wifi model seems like the sweet spot. 3G would be nice, but I'm not looking to add another data plan either. Especially if the usual ridiculousness applies and companies want me to sign 3 year plans or whatever. I don't stay on one side of the Pacific long enough for that.
ClovingWestbrook
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SuperPac said:Likely day one of the 3G model's availability as long as I don't have to stand in line (very long) to get one. I won't get the Wifi-only model though. If it involves standing in line or not being able to reserve one, I'll wait a week or two.
I really am curious to see how successful this will be in the first few months compared to the iPhone. I am actually quite optimistic and think it will do very well.
ClovingWestbrook
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LiveFromKyoto said:
Jobs confirmed there will be no contract for 3G so its just month to month. Still not something I need.
LovingSteam said:
I'm torn. I could see using the 3G when I travel, so it would be nice to buy a month here or there when I need it. Will I do that enough to justify the $130 over the life of the device?
As for size, I'm leaning towards 32. That's been more than enough for my iPhone so far.
Tobor said:
yeah, the price increase makes no sense to me at all. There is simply no way that it costs anywhere near that much for the 3g. I'm not sure why it isn't standard in all the SKU's.
Work something out with ATT to get a kickback on a portion of the monthly fees it generates.
LiveFromKyoto said:
I would buy the 3G if I could. Not that I'd likely get a plan, but I'd like the option to.
Time is the most pressing issue, but I'm not sure I'd see the need to bring this everywhere I go. That's what the iPhone is for.
Out of curiosity, do you think it's likely the other carriers are trying to get microGSM sims so they can support data plans for the iPad? Maybe they will not bother as they can't provide the same service for the same price, but if they can, that would be great. Some competition in this arena would be awesome.
This Flash conversation is so hilarious to me... every day that goes by, Flash becomes more and more of a tech dinosaur. Since Safari implemented a way for Flash to crash without bringing down my whole browser, Safari has NEVER crashed while I use it. Flash, though? Folds like a lawnchair twice a week. Why should we support a proprietary standard when it can't meet simple usability standards like being resource-friendly and not crash-happy? Really, it's time to let the tech go and move on to something else as quickly as we can.
Now, back to what we're ACTUALLY discussing in this thread, I would like to see the option for me to just "family plan" the pre-existing data plan I have for my iPhone. If Rogers won't let me share the data plan I'm already over-paying them for (I have the 6GB plan and barely use 1G a month), then Rogers can go to hell and I will unfortunately skip this device. Something tells me that they'll have something worked out so they can do this and add another device to tie users to their service.
I see the appeal to the iPad when they said in the keynote that experiencing the internet in a tactile way ("internet in your hands") is the best way to experience it. I mean, smartphones have already shown us how natural it feels to carry the internet around with you at all times, so increasing the screen size to remove the one and only limitation that smartphone internet users have to the amazing tactile experience is a great idea.
For those who still have netbooks or laptops or whatever, no, this device probably makes no sense if you make heavy use of that. But for me, I feel like owning a laptop is a waste of power, since all I do is consume entertainment and perform basic functions on it, and 95% of this entertainment and basic function is accessible on my iPhone already in a more compressed and distilled way. So I was actually going to sell my laptop, get a cheap desktop computer to act as my "home base" for all my content and things that can only be done by a full computer, then just have an iPad and an iPhone for the things I do on a computer 95% of the time anyways.
So yeah, there IS room for this device, but it all depends on how you evaluate your use to see if it fits you, which most people couldn't be bothered to do.
Facebook, IM, internet, email and budgeting is the majority of my computer use, which is all fulfilled by the App Store and the included software, while also fulfilling a large amount of less-common secondary uses, as well. So if I sell my laptop, get a Mac mini and still have cash left to buy an iPad, I've lost nothing in doing so.
Just my two cents, though.
Now, back to what we're ACTUALLY discussing in this thread, I would like to see the option for me to just "family plan" the pre-existing data plan I have for my iPhone. If Rogers won't let me share the data plan I'm already over-paying them for (I have the 6GB plan and barely use 1G a month), then Rogers can go to hell and I will unfortunately skip this device. Something tells me that they'll have something worked out so they can do this and add another device to tie users to their service.
I see the appeal to the iPad when they said in the keynote that experiencing the internet in a tactile way ("internet in your hands") is the best way to experience it. I mean, smartphones have already shown us how natural it feels to carry the internet around with you at all times, so increasing the screen size to remove the one and only limitation that smartphone internet users have to the amazing tactile experience is a great idea.
For those who still have netbooks or laptops or whatever, no, this device probably makes no sense if you make heavy use of that. But for me, I feel like owning a laptop is a waste of power, since all I do is consume entertainment and perform basic functions on it, and 95% of this entertainment and basic function is accessible on my iPhone already in a more compressed and distilled way. So I was actually going to sell my laptop, get a cheap desktop computer to act as my "home base" for all my content and things that can only be done by a full computer, then just have an iPad and an iPhone for the things I do on a computer 95% of the time anyways.
So yeah, there IS room for this device, but it all depends on how you evaluate your use to see if it fits you, which most people couldn't be bothered to do.
Facebook, IM, internet, email and budgeting is the majority of my computer use, which is all fulfilled by the App Store and the included software, while also fulfilling a large amount of less-common secondary uses, as well. So if I sell my laptop, get a Mac mini and still have cash left to buy an iPad, I've lost nothing in doing so.
Just my two cents, though.
LiveFromKyoto
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LovingSteam said:
Really? Actually, in that case I might go for it. A fully portable web enabled device (which is larger than a phone) would actually be pretty useful for me at times.
StoOgE said:
Industry standard. Dell charges $125 for netbooks. It's obviously a fee to the carriers that causes the hike.
On Dell's site, you can get a rebate to offset the $125, but...you guessed it...2 year contract. /barfs
I'd rather pay the $130 outright and not sign another contract.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Dell also charges $125 to put 3G in their notebooks.StoOgE said:
I don't understand it either.
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Vennt
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The furthest mine would get from my router would be the bedroom, so a 16Gb non-3G model for me.
Unlikely to get one day one, I'll be looking to get a tablet of some sort at the beginning of April, so will look at the options there, that's provided I can resist the gadget lust I'll get when I see one in the Apple stores
Unlikely to get one day one, I'll be looking to get a tablet of some sort at the beginning of April, so will look at the options there, that's provided I can resist the gadget lust I'll get when I see one in the Apple stores
ClovingWestbrook
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:lol Yup.Vennt said:The furthest mine would get from my router would be the bedroom, so a 16Gb non-3G model for me.
Unlikely to get one day one, I'll be looking to get a tablet of some sort at the beginning of April, so will look at the options there, that's provided I can resist the gadget lust I'll get when I see one in the Apple stores
Pristine_Condition
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Mecha_Infantry
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I guess the reason it's so expensive is all the licensing and FCC stuff they have to go through? Just a guess
And yea, it's a month-month rolling contract. In the UK I'm sure that won't be the case!
And yea, it's a month-month rolling contract. In the UK I'm sure that won't be the case!
StoOgE said:
The pricing structure of the product line is set up not according to cost of manufacture, but just simply what they are charging for functionality based on what Apple thinks the customer base will pay. They're creating tiers based on capability, not hardware. Companies tend to think like "We think people will pay $130 for the ability to use internet on the go without wifi", not "We think people will pay $130 for a 3G (and GPS) antenna and sim slot." Pretty much only tech geeks think like that.
Think about a swiss army knife. It probably costs 10c to add a bottle opener to a particular model (dunno, just pulling numbers out), but if the manufacturer thinks it's a functionality people pay $3 for, they will make one like that. It's not price gouging.] (edit: well, maybe it is).
Also, based on what they predict will be the volume sales for each model, they will do stuff like charge a little more for a different model, so they can charge a little less for a lesser model. Spread out the costs to the entire line. Whether they charge more or less for what they think will be the most popular model, I don't know.
The only thing is whether you think it's justified to pay that amount extra for your usage.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
I just use my smartphone as an internet tether so I've never run into it.. but I just cannot imagine it costs anywhere near that much to put a 3g receiver into a product.
Why all of these companies aren't working out revenue sharing agreements and bundling them standard is beyond me. It could be a very lucrative business model. What is better.. 120 bucks now, or 5 dollars a month for 3 years?
Shogmaster
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LovingSteam said:
If Steve allowed Apple to be anything close to being a reasonable company and not let their customers be ripped off at every opportunity, they should allow you to tether your iPad to your iPhone for 3G via Bluetooth. If they were reasonable that is...
ClovingWestbrook
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Shogmaster said:
I agree and I am sure they would allow it but AT&T is another story.
StoOgE said:
Like I said, $130 upfront, or subsidized with a 2 year contract. Those are the options. If Apple had announced another 2 year contract with AT&T, the howls of derision around the internet would have made the Flash debate look like a party.
Shogmaster said:
You know very well that's not their call to make. When AT&T announces a tethering plan, Apple will activate it.
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If you think AT&T wears the pants in that relationship, I have a bridge to sell you... :lolTobor said:
Tobor said:
Yup. My main criteria for deciding whether I was going to get a tablet were based on being unlocked, contract free, and timing. The face that it's a product that has a non-3G option instantly alleviated the first concerns. It means they see it as a product that is not defined solely by mobile internet.
I would love tethering. Actually, all the hooks for an iPhone to a MAc tethering are there, it's up to the carriers I think. In fact, APPS can be written that enable tethering.
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Vennt
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Shogmaster said:
Of course it may have absolutely nothing to do with Apple and/or their apparent lack of reasonableness, and everything to do with the 3G carrier, seeing as I remember perfectly well being able to tether my Laptop to use the internet via 3G on my iPhone when on O2, and send/receive SMS's, another charge levelled at Apple where the blame belonged to the network provider.
But you continue to tilt at windmills Shog, see where it gets you.
Ahh yeah, here we go, proof of Shogs charge of Apple unreasonableness when it comes to tethering:
Shogmaster
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Yo dude, that shit is getting old. This ain't your private little dictatorship of Apple worship or get banned. It's a perfectly reasonable point.Vennt said:
16 or 32GB wifi only. Like Vennt it'll be a coffee table device, maybe taking it instead of the MBP to my parents so I can still browse the net.
probably no music on it, maybe no videos (depending how well air video works on it).
And as this is the first gen, it'll hopefully evolve a lot in the next couple of years, so I'll probably rebuy then anyway
If you're in the UK and are thinking of the 3G version, I would fully expect the additional cost of the 3G to be covered by subsidy if you take a data contract - 'free' netbooks are a popular offer these days. (of course they get their money back with more expensive data tariffs)
probably no music on it, maybe no videos (depending how well air video works on it).
And as this is the first gen, it'll hopefully evolve a lot in the next couple of years, so I'll probably rebuy then anyway
If you're in the UK and are thinking of the 3G version, I would fully expect the additional cost of the 3G to be covered by subsidy if you take a data contract - 'free' netbooks are a popular offer these days. (of course they get their money back with more expensive data tariffs)
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Vennt
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*Shrugs* - It's not about trolling, I've said no charges of Apple fanboy or Apple hater are to be levelled in the thread, and I mean it. "Apple worship" crossed that line.
They are definitely subsidizing the $499 16GB model with the more expensive ones... I think Apple is actually losing money on the 16GB, which may be a first for them. I guess that price point was a real important headline.Shogmaster said:
They are making up the loss on the $499 model in a number of ways. First is the heavy 3G surcharge. Second is the lockout on Flash for the short term, which will force people to go through the App Store for games and iTunes for movies, since Flash games and streaming video will not give customers an easy, free source of iPad entertainment. Third is the lack of any real ports on the iPad, which will force customers to buy an overpriced proprietary cable for something as basic as a USB connection.
Once the web switches over to HTML5, Apple will have introduced enough economies of scale that locking people into iTunes and the App store will no longer be necessary. They may even relent on the Flash lockout in a year or two. They'll probably stick to their usual progression on pricing and introduce more features/value for each price tier rather than actually dropping the price.
It's a very well thought out plan, but not one that appeals to me. I'd rather pay more for a fuller feature set, more ports (like USB), and the ability to watch Hulu, Netflix, and other streaming video sites.
Didn't help that he was blatantly wrong, either.Vennt said:
I'm kinda curious what comic publishers think of this device and how Apple will accomodate them with the iBookstore, since the epub format they're using isn't exactly suited for static-format content. The Comics app is already on its way for iPad according to the developer, but putting comics in the same space as other print media on this device would be great.
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Vennt
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StoOgE said:
Yeah, it's economies of scale, allowing users of most mobiles to tether isn't the same as letting the iPhone userbase tether, it really has got that big that it's effect on the networks is phenomenal.
Terrell said:
Marvel is acting cautious at the moment, but they'll play nice in the end. They've just been purchased by Disney, and Disney's biggest shareholder is...Steve Jobs.
The rest of the industry is very enthused:
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/comics-industry-reaction-iPad-100127.html
Of course, if I owned a comic book store, I'd be freaking out right now.
I'm probably going to just get the WiFi only one (probably 32gb).
3G would be nice (especially since it doesn't require a contract) but it's not worth an additional $130 to me. I don't really see myself carrying an iPad around with me outside of the house too much, I've got an iPhone for that.
3G would be nice (especially since it doesn't require a contract) but it's not worth an additional $130 to me. I don't really see myself carrying an iPad around with me outside of the house too much, I've got an iPhone for that.
Teddman said:
I doubt they're losing money, but I guess that's always hard to judge when you take in R&D into account. They definitely won't be losing moony based off hardware manufacture, though. But you may be right in that their margins may not be as high as their other products - this device is based around getting more "proprietary" content that they can get revenue from, at least more so than their other devices. Well, mostly the Appstore. The iBooks store is an unknown quantity at this stage as we don't know what DRM if any it's using.
I'm aware the iPhone and iPod touch is pretty much the same device, but as important as the appstore is to those, I think it's even more important to the iPad.
Vennt said:
This is true. ATT can't handle the iPhone. I think that has been clear for a while. I consider myself an unwilling victim of that little bugger. I bought into ATT and had the iPhone show up and destroy this network.
My coverage and dropped calls have gone through the roof over the last 2 years.
If Apple really wanted what was best of their customers they would go multi-network. There probably isn't a single network in the US that can handle the iPhone.
Flying_Phoenix
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:lol
That said. I don't understand his avatar. Couldn't you just buy a stylus to use for the iPad? Or does it only respond to fingers for some strange reason?
I was listening to the Engadget podcast and they were speaking about website traffic on the day of the announcement. That it was just unspeakable amounts. They compared, or rather, said it blew away traffic on TMZ on the day MJ died. I don't know if that's amazing or not, but if it is, it's amazing concerning the level of hype/interest/expectation of this device. Granted, they're the go to for most liveblogging for these events, so even industry tune in to their content.
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Vennt
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StoOgE said:
They've pretty much done that now in the UK, hopefully they'll do the same in the US sooner or later. Hell you can even get an iPhone on the Tesco Network! (Large supermarket chain with fingers in lots of pies).
Kung Fu Jedi
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LovingSteam said:
Getting one day 1 here. Going with the 64GB/non-3G version. I'm going to plan on tethering it to my iPhone, as it seems more logical to pay for the tethering plan that can work with the Tablet, my MacBook, and PSPGo.
On a side note, the Apple Online Store is down.
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