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Vennt
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I sooooo wanted the Notion Ink Adam to be a contender, but they killed it for me with only having WiFi 802.11 b/g... 
That means no streamed iPlayer, no streamed HD content from my desktop or the WWW and that's a damned shame. I tried making do with 802.11 b/g at first with my Touch, and it was intolerable so I got an 802.11n router, and can stream all over the house without hiccups or hardly any buffering.
Not putting 802.11n in at minimum is criminal.
That means no streamed iPlayer, no streamed HD content from my desktop or the WWW and that's a damned shame. I tried making do with 802.11 b/g at first with my Touch, and it was intolerable so I got an 802.11n router, and can stream all over the house without hiccups or hardly any buffering.
Not putting 802.11n in at minimum is criminal.
I'm hoping that Giant Bomb will eventually offer an option. With Gametrailers, all you have to do is go to the video page, click on download, and then click the QT link. Takes maybe an extra second.Gowans007 said:
It seems like as soon as the iPad was announced and Adobe started their big campaign, everyone started saying this. I agree with Terrell; the impression I get now is that 75% of the internet does nothing but watch videos on Giant Bomb and play flash games. I think the last time I played a Flash game was just before WoW was released.
PhoncipleBone
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looking at the specs on the ADAM, isnt the resolution of the screen lower than the iPad? I cant remember the exact resolution.
I really want an iPad at launch, but after dropping tons of money on a new (comfy) mattress today, I think I will have to wait for second gen now.
I really want an iPad at launch, but after dropping tons of money on a new (comfy) mattress today, I think I will have to wait for second gen now.
Um, I was clearly talking about the rumoured hulu app.Jill Sandwich said:
Of couse if an app allows for it, you can save and transfer the files. Plenty of iPhone apps already do this. You can't just save anything off the net. Hulu does it's best to prevent people from saving streams from thier site, and apple does it's best to make iTunes the only way to transfer video to it.
The Adam looks like such a dream, the ability to have a nice colored screen as well as an e-ink type display, along with a front/back camera, multitouch, etc.
However the software just sucks from what i've seen. It's a bit sluggish, just doesn't feel smooth and intuitive as something like an iPad. Wish we could just merge the two. :lol
However the software just sucks from what i've seen. It's a bit sluggish, just doesn't feel smooth and intuitive as something like an iPad. Wish we could just merge the two. :lol
Hard to tell, because whenever the point is raised that particular sites use flash heavily, the typical rejoinder without any caveat whatsoever is, "there is/will be/could be an app for that".Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
Sure, non-Flash, non-App solutions exist, but that wasn't the scenario I was addressing, was I?
Marty Chinn
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One problem is with the lack of flash is a lack of access to random restaurant sites you might want to look at. I find flash to be extremely common for a lot of restaurant websites and it was never more evident when simply looking up restaurants for Valentine's day and then going to their website to view what their menu looks like. For one reason or another, restaurants use flash and not being able to have access to flash in a case like this is a serious annoyance.
Another example is mrkgoo recommended me a camera bag for my new camera so I went to check out the company's site that makes the bag to see what type of other bags they make and that site was using flash for their interface of browsing their product line. As we all know mrkgoo is a huge Apple and iPad supporter but even in that case of simply recommending me something, the lack of flash would have hit a barrier.
I just see it as silly trying to defend the lack of flash rather than just admitting it's a weak point. Political stance aside, it's just a plane usability issue when you lack flash. Creating a ton of apps is even a more silly excuse rather than to admit it's a weakness. There will always be a bunch of cases where the lack of flash will be a problem when browsing. And let's face it, it's quite possible that the sites that are browsed by the crowd that some of you think this device is aimed at will likely hit those types of sites that use flash. Sites like looking up a local restaurant only to not be able to do so.
Another example is mrkgoo recommended me a camera bag for my new camera so I went to check out the company's site that makes the bag to see what type of other bags they make and that site was using flash for their interface of browsing their product line. As we all know mrkgoo is a huge Apple and iPad supporter but even in that case of simply recommending me something, the lack of flash would have hit a barrier.
I just see it as silly trying to defend the lack of flash rather than just admitting it's a weak point. Political stance aside, it's just a plane usability issue when you lack flash. Creating a ton of apps is even a more silly excuse rather than to admit it's a weakness. There will always be a bunch of cases where the lack of flash will be a problem when browsing. And let's face it, it's quite possible that the sites that are browsed by the crowd that some of you think this device is aimed at will likely hit those types of sites that use flash. Sites like looking up a local restaurant only to not be able to do so.
Even without the presence of "an app for that", the Flash problem is solved by bookmarking it, syncing back to your desktop and viewing it on your computer. As I said earlier, the content won't vanish in between that time, and I can't imagine anything that's so absolutely dire that you can't wait til you get back to a desktop to see it. If someone can name such a circumstance, I'd like to hear it.kaching said:
I really don't get why people are still in this thread arguing about the lack of Flash 93 pages later. Flash is not going to magically appear, and Apple has made a design decision that Flash a) eats too much battery, b) performs poorly on anything that's not a Windows desktop/laptop, and c) is a security risk.
If your life is so Flash dependent that you can't possibly live without it, I recommend a netbook.
If your life is so Flash dependent that you can't possibly live without it, I recommend a netbook.
Exactly.Tobor said:
There's really no point in arguing this. Flash is essential to the internet right now. Apple not including it, is because Steve Jobs is an arrogant stubborn asshole. How dare he call Adobe lazy when Adobe is in more houses than Windows and Mac (not combined). He needs to get over himself.
No Flash in the iPad is nothing but arrogance.
No Flash in the iPad is nothing but arrogance.
Nazgul_Hunter
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QuadCore said:
let me put it this way
There's really no point in arguing this. IE6 is essential to the internet right now. Google not including it, is because they're an arrogant stubborn asshole. How dare he call Microsoft lazy when IE6 is in more houses than anything (not combined). They need to get over himself.
No Google apps / youtube on the IE6 is nothing but arrogance.
Nazgul_Hunter said:
First,
http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php
Second, the remaining IE6 is in very few houses. The majority of IE6 users are corporate users who are stuck using IE6 because they have internal web apps built around it. Not Google's audience for GMail and Picasa.
Third, when did Google call Microsoft lazy? This whole comparison doesn't make any sense.
DeathbyVolcano
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QuadCore said:
I think a lot of people are irked that Flash isn't included, but to say they don't have a REASON for it is fucking pathetic. Read up, junior.
DeathbyVolcano
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QuadCore said:
In this case, it does.
Nothing, you are 100% right. But there is a reason...QuadCore said:
Apple wants 100% of the iPad's entertainment options (and money) to go through iTunes and the App Store. Flash support would open it up to a plethora of streaming video sites, games, and a heavy load on AT&T's frail 3G network. None of which is part of Jobs' game plan.
I never said there wasn't a workaround. You're completely missing the point of my post.Terrell said:
Well, hopefully whatever a better solution is than Flash. Because I sure don't think the better solution is spamming my homescreens with apps that all basically do the same thing, just for different content providers. If only someone would come up with a single browser app for this sort of thing...Tobor said:
But now I just saw Gruber reporting that Adobe is using their vote on the HTML 5 spec to try and block it, no doubt somewhat influenced by the unnecessary amount of shit-kicking they're taking in public over Flash. One more wrench in the gears to HTML5 as salvation from all this.
Trailblaster
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Teddman said:
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Watch this post get ignored.
Uncensored YouTube access via the YouTube app, which is about 75%+ of an internet user's Flash exposure, says hi and you're wrong.Teddman said:
And it couldn't have anything to do with Flash being piss-poor on anything other than a Wintel box. When Jobs only has the Mac version of Flash to look at, it's not a surprise for him to say that he doesn't want it on iPhone OS. If Adobe wants it there, perhaps they need to stop spouting words and start giving Apple reasons to feel confident in Flash on non-Windows platforms.
kaching said:I never said there wasn't a workaround. You're completely missing the point of my post.
Well, hopefully whatever a better solution is than Flash. Because I sure don't think the better solution is spamming my homescreens with apps that all basically do the same thing, just for different content providers. If only someone would come up with a single browser app for this sort of thing...
But now I just saw Gruber reporting that Adobe is using their vote on the HTML 5 spec to try and block it, no doubt somewhat influenced by the unnecessary amount of shit-kicking they're taking in public over Flash. One more wrench in the gears to HTML5 as salvation from all this.
From Apple's perspective, that solution is in place. The future of Apple platforms is apps and HTML5, and they already have a large enough user base of non-Flash devices to cause a shift in web development.
I understand that you don't like apps as a replacement, but the public doesn't seem to have a problem with it. Quite the opposite.
Burger
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I was reading Charlie Brooker's column on the Guardian, and I'm not sure if its been posted or not, but this bit really got me, and summed up everything I think about the 'boohoo it hasn't got a camera' people.
Read the rest here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/feb/01/ipad-therefore-iwant-why-idunno
Read the rest here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/feb/01/ipad-therefore-iwant-why-idunno
From what I read that sounds like bullshit.. people sort of just expected a camera, thus when it was absent they boohooed. Then there were some people who were actually looking forward to using the camera (video chat etc). Either way it's not a huuuge deal but saying it doesn't mater and shit like that is downright ridiculous.
I bet the same guy (and others like him) will be in praise when the new iPad model comes out with a camera in it..
I bet the same guy (and others like him) will be in praise when the new iPad model comes out with a camera in it..
Why does he pretend yo not know why people wanted a camera. People wanted the camera for vid conferencing. They want that movie future where you can talk and watch each other pick their noses at the same time. Computers can already do it, but in an ipad like device in your hand would be pretty coolBurger said:
Burger
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I guess some people just suffer from camera overload. I have 2 cameras, a video camera, a cellphone with a camera, and 2 computers with cameras.
I think people expected a camera because they expect everything to have a camera, and when surprise surprise, it doesn't have one, it's seen as an instant negative.
In my opinion, the device isn't lacking due to it not having a low res video camera, which was never going to be ideal in the first place. Perhaps they tried it, figured it didn't work very well, and chopped it out.
I think people expected a camera because they expect everything to have a camera, and when surprise surprise, it doesn't have one, it's seen as an instant negative.
In my opinion, the device isn't lacking due to it not having a low res video camera, which was never going to be ideal in the first place. Perhaps they tried it, figured it didn't work very well, and chopped it out.
The camera will be in the 2nd gen version of the iPad, the glaring omission is obviously so that Apple can keep the price tag low on the initial hardware--as well as broaden the market and make early adopters buy it a second time when it pops up in a 2011 revision.
It's just the standard Apple exploitation of a new mobile device market through planned "obsolescence"--as they just did with the iPhone (3G, 3GS, etc.)
It's just the standard Apple exploitation of a new mobile device market through planned "obsolescence"--as they just did with the iPhone (3G, 3GS, etc.)
Mecha_Infantry
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sankao said:
It supports bluetooth keyboards, no idea about anything else
My heart is set in stone to get this baby...again..till I go cold on it
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Apple Truthers.Teddman said:
Yeah, of all the things I dislike of the iPad, the lack of a camera isn't one of them. In reality, I'm not a fan of wireless video calling yet, I know it'll come eventually but right now I don't feel it's an issue worth getting bent up over, who really wants to use that on some 50k 3G network or heavily trafficked free wifi connection, it'd probably only be usable at home with your own connection.Burger said:
But a few years from now video calling from mobile platforms will be important, the lack of the camera hurts the iPads long term relevancy
, not for me though as I could not care less about people seeing me when I chat,
Future said:
The article says exactly why you wouldn't want a camera for vid conferencing in the very next paragraph. It would be too uncomfortable for your arms to hold an iPad up for any significant length of time and bad for your back and neck to have to look at your lap/knees.
That's the problem really. It has to be held somewhere. If you're going to dock it and use it on your desk, you might as well use your computer.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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"Keep it simple" in the way you're considering it would have kept us on IE6 for longer.kaching said:
Keeping it simple in the ideological way Apple and others see it is to remove plugins and have the web be only the web. Use the web standard ways of displaying videos, vector graphics, sound, and animation. It's an incredibly simple thing to do that is only complicated by a plugin existing that has become a crutch. Think RealPlayer.
Ninja Scooter
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Casual buyer hears buys Mac/Iphone/Ipad
Tries to run Flash website
Said Flash site crashes and/or causes Mac/Iphone/Ipad to freeze up because Flash runs like shit on Macs.
Consumer doesn't know what flash is, or how a plugin works, all they are going to do is assume Apple products are crap because it can't run a simple flash game
Tries to run Flash website
Said Flash site crashes and/or causes Mac/Iphone/Ipad to freeze up because Flash runs like shit on Macs.
Consumer doesn't know what flash is, or how a plugin works, all they are going to do is assume Apple products are crap because it can't run a simple flash game
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