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Technosteve said:
print wants the same price for the digital as the print edition get the fuck out of here. The only edition i used to buy was the sunday 5 dollars edition, and that was only because it was a family habit. How about 10 dollars for just weekend edition and i use google reader to read the rest of week.
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This is sort of what I kept saying before the iPad was out and this thread was all about what newspapers and magazines will be like. It's just the Internet, and they're going to get suckers to pay for it.

Some were disappointed that Apple didn't seem to give a shit at the presentation, but I think they did the right thing by ignoring it. In the end, this will be a great comic/graphic novel reader, but magazines are fucked no matter what they try.
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
This is sort of what I kept saying before the iPad was out and this thread was all about what newspapers and magazines will be like. It's just the Internet, and they're going to get suckers to pay for it.

Some were disappointed that Apple didn't seem to give a shit at the presentation, but I think they did the right thing by ignoring it. In the end, this will be a great comic/graphic novel reader, but magazines are fucked no matter what they try.
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Indeed. And now that it looks like a lot of them are going to be built on Adobe AIR, they're probably going to be inferior to just using an RSS reader.

I'm sure designers hate to hear it, but seeing a well-laid-out magazine or newspaper doesn't change the content. At best it doesn't obscure or distract from it. Nothing will tear me away from Google Reader. It's like an IV of knowledge.
 
krypt0nian said:
Now THIS is what I was looking for in the iPad. <claps>
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Apparently, you're not the only one, as I've seen similar responses to it today from others saying that this is the experience they hope to get in a new evolution of magazines on tablet devices, including the iPad, the Slate, and so on.

The demo is built on Air obviously, so I'm assuming it'll be fairly easy to convert it for a variety of platforms.

Personally, I'm not a huge fan of Wired. It's not bad, but I'd love to see a version of National Geographic that takes advantage of the iPad. :D
 
Kung Fu Jedi said:
Apparently, you're not the only one, as I've seen similar responses to it today from others saying that this is the experience they hope to get in a new evolution of magazines on tablet devices, including the iPad, the Slate, and so on.

The demo is built on Air obviously, so I'm assuming it'll be fairly easy to convert it for a variety of platforms.

Personally, I'm not a huge fan of Wired. It's not bad, but I'd love to see a version of National Geographic that takes advantage of the iPad. :D
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Honestly if it was available to preview at the time of the iPad reveal, they should have broken arms to get that on stage.
 
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I saw the 1Password thing earlier too and thought the interface looked really great. Probably not an app that I'd purchase, but we're really getting a sense of the design elements and things of what apps are going to look like on the iPad. I'm really liking what I see.
 
giga said:
1Password

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Nice...

I loves me some 1Password
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Kung Fu Jedi said:
I saw the 1Password thing earlier too and thought the interface looked really great. Probably not an app that I'd purchase, but we're really getting a sense of the design elements and things of what apps are going to look like on the iPad. I'm really liking what I see.
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My thoughts exactly. This is pretty impressive looking stuff and it's only the beginning. I can't wait to see Tweetie, Facebook, Beejive, Foursquare, Words With Friends, Weatherbug and some of the banking apps make the switch to iPad.
 
Flo_Evans said:
So you want flash on the iPad? ;)
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That doesn't have to be done in Flash, and it wasn't. It's more about the interface and experience, as krypt0nian has already said.

And I'm with him. What ever gets us the great experience. Why does it always have to come back to a Flash vs. No Flash argument?
 
Kung Fu Jedi said:
That doesn't have to be done in Flash, and it wasn't. It's more about the interface and experience, as krypt0nian has already said.

And I'm with him. What ever gets us the great experience. Why does it always have to come back to a Flash vs. No Flash argument?
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WTF do you think adobe AIR is?

I'll give you a hint, its pretty much a webkit browser + flash packaged to run as an executable.
 
I don't want google reader for magazines - too basic. good for news articles, but for magazines I want somethign a bit more 'produced'

I also don't want Zinio/flash based e-zines. They tend to be a literal implementation of print on a computer, and just dont' work, with basic zooming controls etc. Might as well have a big pdf.

I'd like something like a cross between an e-zine, and the iphone web browser (double tap to zoom an article to full screen). Simple to browse the overall layout of the magazine, quick to zoom into an article of interest and view it efficiently.

Add in things like search, so eg I can search across my entire subscription of photography magazines for articles on flashes, and hyperlinks for product reviews etc taking me to more information.

Nothing outrageous I don't think, and that'd do me.



edit: that wired AIR app is pretty much what I want. Much better than the pdf approach of current e-zines, adding some fun stuff (switching pictures inline on the 'page'). I'd be fine having a separate app per magazine, not per issue though - I'd want to search/browse through a collection.

Good that its coming to normal computers too, alhtough I can see the benefit of interacting via touch
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
Absolutely THE killer app for the iPad (although, yeah, it'll be available on tons of other tablet platforms).

Can't wait for this. The best designed magazine on earth just got best...ier?
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Hehe I came here looking for your post after I saw this on your Twitter.
 
DeathbyVolcano said:
oh my god that 1password app looks like sex
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Indeed, and do want. Raises the question of redundancy and offering packages or discounts for people who already have the iPhone apps, in general. And sadly it will likely work like the iPhone app, needing to copy each entry and swap back and forth. 1Password OS X feels magical (Ive would be proud). CMD-\, bam, shit is filled in. So awesome.
 
Flo_Evans said:
WTF do you think adobe AIR is?

I'll give you a hint, its pretty much a webkit browser + flash packaged to run as an executable.
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Okay. Thanks for the hint. Guess what. I don't care what it is. If it works and delivers cool content. Then great. I'm not one of the people in here going on about Flash, either for or against.


On another note, here's a look at the Safari browser on the iPad, caught on video. Looks like some nice enhancements to take advantage of the iPad itself.

http://gizmodo.com/5474181/look-its...eed&utm_campaign=Feed:+gizmodo/full+(Gizmodo)
 
Kung Fu Jedi said:
Okay. Thanks for the hint. Guess what. I don't care what it is. If it works and delivers cool content. Then great. I'm not one of the people in here going on about Flash, either for or against.


On another note, here's a look at the Safari browser on the iPad, caught on video. Looks like some nice enhancements to take advantage of the iPad itself.

http://gizmodo.com/5474181/look-its...eed&utm_campaign=Feed:+gizmodo/full+(Gizmodo)
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That "replace" spell check function looks nice. I also like the new tabs. Very cool stuff.
 
Tobor said:
That "replace" spell check function looks nice. I also like the new tabs. Very cool stuff.
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Yep, and I like that we're actually having some things to look at and discuss other than why it does, or doesn't have a camera, the virtues, or lack there of, of flash, and the various other things we've beaten to death.

iPad Safari looks very functional and fits with the style of the device very well. I'm getting more and more excited about the device the more of these previews that we get.
 
Kung Fu Jedi said:
Yep, and I like that we're actually having some things to look at and discuss other than why it does, or doesn't have a camera, the virtues, or lack there of, of flash, and the various other things we've beaten to death.

iPad Safari looks very functional and fits with the style of the device very well. I'm getting more and more excited about the device the more of these previews that we get.
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The tabs in that video look like they don't reload every time you go to them like on the iPhone. Kind of like actual tabs. I like that.
 
Dupy said:
The tabs in that video look like they don't reload every time you go to them like on the iPhone. Kind of like actual tabs. I like that.
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Well, considering that the iPad is the halfway point between the iPhone and a Mac, it's natural to assume they would change up the OS and built-in apps to better reflect that by offering a middle ground between iPhone OS and Mac OS X.
 
http://gizmodo.com/5474391/apple-might-have-more-control-over-ebook-prices-after-all-read-cheaper-ebooks

More details coming out about Apple's deals with book publishers, and it looks like Apple might have more leverage over prices than expected. The NYT says that "Apple inserted provisions requiring publishers to discount e-book prices on best sellers."

Three people "with knowledge of the discussions" told the Times that Apple's provisions allow it to discount books that hit the bestseller list—maybe down to $9.99, after all—with $12.99-$14.99 as simply a ceiling, that way Apple can compete with bookstores and Amazon's Kindle that push bestsellers at a cut rate. And if publishers sell a hardcover at a discount, Apple wants to be able to cut the price on their ebook counterpart as well, even if it doesn't go all bestseller.
 
HP looking to undercat iPad retail price with Slate

Is it just me, or does anyone else think that it doesn't matter in the slightest what the price of the competition is?

The HP Slate could be $300 w/3G and I doubt it'd sell anywhere near iPad levels...because who even knows that an HP Slate exists? What's exciting about an HP Slate that makes you jump for joy?

It's not like people are going to think to themselves:

"I want a tablet computer without a keyboard...let me check out the options and see which one I like the best."​
I'm pretty sure this type of device isn't something that is driven by consumer demand at all. These devices are being put on the market to try and create a market.

Apple's device already has the press. Apple's device already has the content delivery ecosystem. Apple's device is giving you something that isn't the same as just another computer platform.

Why would someone want a tablet that just runs Windows (which wasn't made for touch) when they can have a device that caters the entire experience for the device it's on?

...I'm trying to be reasonable and put myself in Joe Consumer's shoes...but I don't see any kind of majority getting excited about a keyboardless tablet device that isn't an iPad unless they just want to get something that isn't an iPad.

Not trolling, just trying to understand.
 
LovingSteam said:
http://gizmodo.com/5474391/apple-might-have-more-control-over-ebook-prices-after-all-read-cheaper-ebooks

More details coming out about Apple's deals with book publishers, and it looks like Apple might have more leverage over prices than expected. The NYT says that "Apple inserted provisions requiring publishers to discount e-book prices on best sellers."

Three people "with knowledge of the discussions" told the Times that Apple's provisions allow it to discount books that hit the bestseller list—maybe down to $9.99, after all—with $12.99-$14.99 as simply a ceiling, that way Apple can compete with bookstores and Amazon's Kindle that push bestsellers at a cut rate. And if publishers sell a hardcover at a discount, Apple wants to be able to cut the price on their ebook counterpart as well, even if it doesn't go all bestseller.
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So publishers used the iPad 12.99-14.99 price point to strong arm Amazon into going to an agency model and now Apple gets to undercut those prices while Amazon is stuck? That sounds shady as hell. I can't expect Amazon will stand for that.
 
scorcho said:
you're right. the competition should simply lay down and die.

APPLE 4EVAR!
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Ask some random person on the street if they know what the HP Slate is. Ask that same random person on the street if they know what an Apple iPad is. Do you really think they're going to have any kind of strong emotional response to the HP Slate? No one even knows if they want it or not...because they have no idea it exists.

If anything, the iPad's existence is going to jump the sales of competing products as it brings attention to the form factor.

I just don't get how a new platform becomes a mainstream hit unless people know about it...not to mention that the iPad is going to hit the market first in a big way (press).

No one's saying that competition shouldn't exist, I'm just saying that if the competition wants to be taken seriously, they need to do something to put themselves out there as a competitor. I certainly don't have the impression that any Joe Consumer thinks the iPad has any kind of competitor in the market or knows others are coming.

Edit: For what it's worth, I'm not saying the iPad is going to be a huge hit...I'm just saying it's the only device in this category that even has a chance right now.
 
again, not getting your point - so no other company should hope to compete with Apple in X market because they get so much more free press / attention than anyone else?
 
The Slate isn't finalized with respect to specs, price, or launch date yet, why would people expect the public to know about it?
 
scorcho said:
again, not getting your point - so no other company should hope to compete with Apple in X market because they get so much more free press / attention than anyone else?
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He seems to be operating under the assumption that HP plans to just stick it on store shelves at some point with no advertising or buildup other than a price tag.
 
scorcho said:
again, not getting your point - so no other company should hope to compete with Apple in X market because they get so much more free press / attention than anyone else?
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Get rid of your "RubxQub is a fanboy" mentality, man. It's really getting in the way of this conversation (and in other Apple related threads).

I'm saying no other company has anywhere close to the mindshare in this form factor...so if they are really serious about jumping into this category, they're going to have to do something more than they already are.

I'm not saying they shouldn't exist or not try, I'm just saying that they're sending these devices to die unless they actually try promoting the damn things as a stand-alone consumer electronic device, not just some computer that doesn't have a keyboard.
numble said:
The Slate isn't finalized with respect to specs, price, or launch date yet, why would people expect the public to know about it?
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Seth C said:
He seems to be operating under the assumption that HP plans to just stick it on store shelves at some point with no advertising or buildup other than a price tag.
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How many people know what an HP Touchsmart PC is versus an iMac, then? Which do you think sells better?

Apple does a great job firmly planting themselves in the market and putting their weight behind their products (AppleTV/Cube be damned)...other computer manufacturers don't.

No one gets excited/knows when Toshiba launches a new Satellite laptop series.
No one gets excited/knows when Dell launches a Inspiron Notebook.
No one gets excited/knows when Sony launches a new Vaio.

These things just become another product in a sea of similar products.
 
dynamitejim said:
So publishers used the iPad 12.99-14.99 price point to strong arm Amazon into going to an agency model and now Apple gets to undercut those prices while Amazon is stuck? That sounds shady as hell. I can't expect Amazon will stand for that.
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I'm guessing that

- Amazon can also do this
- Apple has the choice to cut prices, taking the cut out of their 30%, allowing the publisher to still make the same money on the sales? So like a standard wholesale model?

Don't really understand, but it does smack of manipulating business deals to screw over or at least neutralise Amazon
 
mrklaw said:
I'm guessing that

- Amazon can also do this
- Apple has the choice to cut prices, taking the cut out of their 30%, allowing the publisher to still make the same money on the sales? So like a standard wholesale model?

Don't really understand, but it does smack of manipulating business deals to screw over or at least neutralise Amazon
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I thought #2 was what they were doing originally though? But the publishers said they didn't like it because it devalued the product or some nonsense.
 
The HP Slate is the equivalent of releasing a new smartphone with Windows Mobile 6.5. It might sell ok, but it's not going to blow any doors down.

Now if it was running the new Windows Phone 7 software(which incidentally looks great for tablets), then we'd have some real competition.
 
It's funny but the thing I still want to do most on the iPad is play Plants vs Zombies. I've played the Mac version to death, and recently picked up the iPhone version out now. Haven't played that one much but having a portable PvZ on the iPad will waste so much of my time when I'm away.
 
Anyone else want to see a fun little physics simulator type of game on this? I'm imagining playing Phun or something like that on this, it could be a blast and a real test of horsepower.
 
Tobor said:
The HP Slate is the equivalent of releasing a new smartphone with Windows Mobile 6.5. It might sell ok, but it's not going to blow any doors down.

Now if it was running the new Windows Phone 7 software(which incidentally looks great for tablets), then we'd have some real competition.
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Also, we're something like 40 days from the launch of the iPad. The price is known, the carriers for 3G are known, the App Store is a behemoth and is already in place. Not that the HP Slate doesn't have a chance at all but it's going to be an uphill battle at about an 85-degree incline.
 
Tobor said:
The HP Slate is the equivalent of releasing a new smartphone with Windows Mobile 6.5. It might sell ok, but it's not going to blow any doors down.

Now if it was running the new Windows Phone 7 software(which incidentally looks great for tablets), then we'd have some real competition.
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Exactly...but the device would sell despite the hardware. The real selling point would be Windows Phone 7, not so much the handset hardware (unless someone put some muscle behind it). "Just another Windows Phone 7 device".

MS is at least trying to stir up some anticipation for it's new platform, but you hardly see handsets marketed and promoted in such an aggressive way.

Palm was serious about the Pre.
Apple was serious about the iPhone.
Verizon was serious with the Droid.
Google was kinda serious with the Nexus One.

That's the type of stuff I'm talking about. Really going out of your way to make people know about your product and want them. I'm just not seeing the same type of push for any competing products out there.
 
http://www.macrumors.com/2010/02/18/steve-jobs-wall-street-journal-visit-reportedly-included-arguments-against-flash/

Jobs was brazen in his dismissal of Flash, people familiar with the meeting tell us. He repeated what he said at an Apple Town Hall recently, that Flash crashes Macs and is buggy.

But he also called Flash a "CPU hog," a source of "security holes" and, in perhaps the most grevious insult an famous innovator can utter, a dying technology. Jobs said of Flash, "We don't spend a lot of energy on old technology."

http://www.macrumors.com/2010/02/18/apple-increases-iphones-cellular-download-cap-to-20-mb-in-advance-of-ipad-launch/

MacRumors has received reports from several readers noting that the download cap for iPhone applications installed via 3G has been increased to 20 MB, a change that also appears to apply to iTunes Store content.

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Well, I'm going to give the iPad a chance to hit a totally untapped market. I was just atlking with my mother, who is 71, who was having a few issues with her computer. She's had it for about 5 years, so I suggested she might want to start looking into upgrading it - she really just surfs the internet, email, loads on some photos, etc.

Her response: "Well, why don't I just get an iPad?"

I was floored.
 
Mr. Dobalina said:
Well, I'm going to give the HP Slate a chance to hit a totally untapped market. I was just atlking with my mother, who is 71, who was having a few issues with her computer. She's had it for about 5 years, so I suggested she might want to start looking into upgrading it - she really just surfs the internet, email, loads on some photos, etc.

Her response: "Well, why don't I just get an HP Slate?"

I was floored.
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Fixed for a perfect world.
 
mrklaw said:
ffs.

why do you need DRM on books? what do other stores use currently, is DRM widespread?
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IIRC, the Adobe DRM is pretty common for ePUB. Meaning, you can use the content on most eBooks. As I've been stating since the conference, Apple has decided to use their own, meaning it's content will not play on other eBooks.

And does this mean that apple might prevent you from viewing books bought from other services on the ipad? This is more of a concern to me than fairplay within the ibook store, as I'd want to borrow epub books from the local library
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That would be my question. I would hope not, but I suspect Adobe would have commented on whether or not Apple was supporting playback of their DRM :\ Now ePub's that aren't using DRM, I would assume they'll play just fine.
 
I've never heard of the HP Slate since I'm not a big tech guy anymore but are there really people saying it's better in this thread? Go make your own thread if you really want to talk about it being better. :lol
 
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