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[mollipen]

THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE PAY? HOLY FUCKING CHRIST.

http://slickdeals.net/permadeal/893...6x768-led-2gb-geforce-gt-650m-6cell-windows-8

Yeah I'll take 720p with these specs at half the price Alex.

So... don't buy it? Why does it bother you that other people have other wants and/or needs, and put importance on different things that you do? That's why there are cheap computers, and expensive computers—the wide array of options offer choice, and people have the ability to pick what's best for them.

For example, I paid $17,000 for the Nissan Cube that I own. I bought it because it does what I need, it is comfortable to me, and it's ridiculously cute. Some people think that is way too much money to pay for a car, so they buy something cheaper that gets them around just as well. Other people pay way, way more for their car, because they want the style, power, reliability, or other such conveniences that come from such cars.

And yet, most of the time, humanity gets along just fine not making fun of one another for making the choices in cars that we make, because we understand that it's all a question of personal preference.

 

[giga]

Christ dude, that's a refurb.

An Apple refurb is no different from a brand new model.

 

[Xeke]

The hell do cars have anything to do with laptops? I support Macs at work, I didn't know they cost that fucking much. I would NOT pay that much for those specs. Those specs are far outdone by the cost. Apple tax is still more than $300 too high at $1500.



Christ dude, that's a refurb.

If you can find me an aluminum build laptop, with that resolution and the glory that is the Mac Trackpad for a better price let me know. I'll even disregard the fact that whatever you find wont run OSX and will have a fraction of the resale value years from now. I'll also leave out the service that comes with a Mac via the Apple Store. But if you can also find a laptop where I can get water damage repaired overnight that will be a plus.

 

[Fantasmo]

So... don't buy it? Why does it bother you that other people have other wants and/or needs, and put importance on different things that you do? That's why there are cheap computers, and expensive computers—the wide array of options offer choice, and people have the ability to pick what's best for them.

For example, I paid $17,000 for the Nissan Cube that I own. I bought it because it does what I need, it is comfortable to me, and it's ridiculously cute. Some people think that is way too much money to pay for a car, so they buy something cheaper that gets them around just as well. Other people pay way, way more for their car, because they want the style, power, reliability, or other such conveniences that come from such cars.

And yet, most of the time, humanity gets along just fine not making fun of one another for making the choices in cars that we make, because we understand that it's all a question of personal preference.

Because the specifications of Apple laptops are not in line with the cost of the laptop. Like not in the same hemisphere. What is going on here, why is someone else talking about cars?

 

[Lord Error]

God DAMMIT why can't I play games on this thing at a solid framerate. The hardware is more than enough.

What are you trying to play? I've been really happy with games on it, especially under windows, and of course as long as you don't expect high end games to work in native screen res.

 

[Fantasmo]

If you can find me an aluminum build laptop, with that resolution and the glory that is the Mac Trackpad for a better price let me know. I'll even disregard the fact that whatever you find wont run OSX and will have a fraction of the resale value years from now. I'll also leave out the service that comes with a Mac via the Apple Store. But if you can also find a laptop where I can get water damage repaired overnight that will be a plus.

I use a mouse where available and prefer the nub if there is no mouse. Why are we talking about an insurance policy? I try not to water damage my electronics. Where's my option to lose all the insurance policy? Do I have that option? Would it cost $300 less? Maybe then I'd buy one.

 

[f0lken]

$1700 is too much for me as well, I agree. But you can get the 256GB model for $1400 now, I think that's far more reasonable for a 227ppi IPS display.

For an HD 4000 at that resolution I would still not buy it, is not because of the price but because it lacks the GPU of the 15" inch model, the 13" Air is IMO the better choice.

 

[Xeke]

I use a mouse where available and prefer the nub if there is no mouse. Why are we talking about an insurance policy? I try not to water damage my electronics. Where's my option to lose all the Apple service? Do I have that option? Would it cost $300 less? Maybe then I'd buy one.

I'm not talking about insurance. I didn't buy it. I damaged my laptop and it wouldn't turn on. Dropped it off at the Apple Store and for $185 total parts and service they replaced the entire bottom case and my macbook was ready for pickup 12 hours after I dropped it off.

 

[Fantasmo]

I'm not talking about insurance. I didn't buy it. I damaged my laptop and it wouldn't turn on. Dropped it off at the Apple Store and for $185 total parts and service they replaced the entire bottom case and my macbook was ready for pickup 12 hours after I dropped it off.

Apple computers are often a gen behind in specs and a gen forward in price.
Still, I'll give you that. You can get repairs quickly at any mall and that certainly is worth something. Probably double good for parents too.

 

[Xeke]

Apple computers are often a gen behind in specs and a gen forward in price.
Still, I'll give you that. You can get repairs quickly at any mall and that certainly is worth something. Probably double good for parents too.

And surely you can see how that service would be important to many of us. You can also argue specs all you want but I've yet to encounter another laptop with the build quality of a Macbook.

 

[Mineshaft_Gap]

I just bought a sexy as fuck Asus 14" for $640. i7, 8gb ram, 1TB HDD.

Maybe no retina display but I can do without for almost $1000 less.

 

[mr2xxx]

Apple computers are often a gen behind in specs and a gen forward in price.
Still, I'll give you that. You can get repairs quickly at any mall and that certainly is worth something. Probably double good for parents too.

So ivy bridge is last gen now? Please show us these Haswell CPUs in those other laptops.

 

[coldfoot]

Will wait for Haswell before I even consider a 13" retina model. HD4000 is not enough for 2560x1600.

My 13" Air with its low power CPU and slow clocked HD4000 has no trouble at all powering my 2560x1440 external monitor. I do not play or do anything with 3D graphics on it.

 

[MThanded]

THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE PAY? HOLY FUCKING CHRIST.

http://slickdeals.net/permadeal/893...6x768-led-2gb-geforce-gt-650m-6cell-windows-8

Yeah I'll take 720p with these specs at half the price Alex.

eh ok

 

[teh_pwn]

In a cave apparently.

I remember reading gaf years ago when you posted how awesome a shopped GPU was. Don't be afraid of PC hardware because of that. The internet was different back then, shops were harder to spot.

Anyway turbo boost is pretty awesome for people that don't overclock. Basically the fewer cores you use the more it auto overclocks a bit, and it parks the active CPU core around to dissipate heat.

Though Intel really should just have a better stock cooling solution and sell their CPUs at 1 GHz faster than they are now. But they're aiming for ARM right now...AMD's CPUs are so far behind Intel doesn't care.

 

[Fantasmo]

So ivy bridge is last gen now? Please show us these Haswell CPUs in those other laptops.

My post that you quoted already answered your question. The post above your post does also. If the 13" in the OP was $1200 I wouldn't comment. It was $1700 until now. That's outrageous.

Apple trackpads make it unnecessary to carry a mouse. You have to carry one with pretty much every PC laptop trackpad because they're garbage.

I work with Macs regularly. I don't use trackpads if I can avoid it. I've never liked trackpads. Apple has done nothing to change that.

 

[coldfoot]

I use a mouse where available and prefer the nub if there is no mouse.

Apple trackpads make it unnecessary to carry a mouse. You have to carry one with pretty much every PC laptop trackpad because they're garbage.

 

[Lunchbox]

youre losing money if youre not buying them at this price

 

[mr2xxx]

My post that you quoted already answered your question. The post above your post does also. If the 13" in the OP was $1200 I wouldn't comment. It was $1700 until now. That's outrageous.



I work with them daily. I don't like trackpads at all. Sorry.

No you mentioned Apple having last gen specs which is completely false on your part.

 

[Wubby]

Ugh... Wife just bought a 15" retina to replace her 10 year old Toshiba last weekend. I figured there wouldn't be an update till the new processors were out this summer. At least the store gave her $300 off the cost.

 

[Fantasmo]

No you mentioned Apple having last gen specs which is completely false on your part.

Intel HD 4000? Come on man.

 

[giga]

My laptop from 2009 has an Intel HD 4000. So, 3 gens ago, is that right?

No, it doesn't. Unless you're Paul Otellini.

Oh you changed your post. Nice try.

 

[xxracerxx]

Stealth edits all up in this place.

Also I mention cars because sometimes you take into account the build quality and other things and end up paying slightly more for something that feels better.

 

[twofold]

Reading this thread is giving me a headache. Irrational Apple haters are far more obnoxious than Apple fanboys. Eurgh.

 

[Mairu]

Some people get so angry about how other people decide to spend their money

 

[nhlducks35]

Intel HD 4000? Come on man.

Um, pretty sure that came out in 2012

 

[Fantasmo]

No, it doesn't. Unless you're Paul Otellini.

Oh you changed your post. Nice try.

Okay I was wrong. Let's talk turkey. What's an HD Intel 4000? It's a 6800 Ultra in terms of performance. That's what? 2004 capability? MBP retina 13" until what, yesterday was $1700. My original comment was on $1700.

Okay let's go to cars since everyone wants to talk about cars!!!

Here's a car: Shidoshi said his car was $17000 right? Ten 13" Apple laptops cost as much as his car. That's fucked but apparently not to most people. Yeah I think I can honestly admit without any shame, without feeling a shred of guilt over everybody's reaction to me, that ten apple laptops at OP 13" spec costing as much as his brand new car is completely out of control, giga! No shame here.

And surprise, my eyes are still in sticker shock when I look at $1500 for those exact specs. I do not think anything about those specs is worth near that. Xeke brought up ONE good point. Repair service is a drive to the mall away. But that's all I can respond to without feeling a little ill.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

I just bought a sexy as fuck Asus 14" for $640. i7, 8gb ram, 1TB HDD.

Maybe no retina display but I can do without for almost $1000 less.

A shitty slow-ass laptop HDD, no doubt.

No thanks. Once you go SSD, you never go back.

 

[buhdeh]

Hmm I just got an MBA for 1099, wonder if I should replace it with the 1359 MBR.

 

[buhdeh]

A shitty slow-ass laptop HDD, no doubt.

No thanks. Once you go SSD, you never go back.

An SSD would be like an $80 5 minute upgrade dude.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

Hmm I just got an MBA for 1099, wonder if I should replace it with the 1359 MBR.

All signs point to the 13" retina not being a good choice. HD4000 just isn't good enough for that resolution.

It should be fine once the Haswell models come in, though.

An SSD would be like an $80 5 minute upgrade dude.

More like $100+ for a 128GB, but prices are fluctuating a lot. My point was that his 1TB HDD is actually a downside for anyone who has used an SSD, unless his priority is to store a shit ton of data on his laptop.

 

[Baconsammy]

But why? If it was otherwise the same but 17" would it be more worth the money? That's absurd.

No, absurd would be saying a 13 inch screen is the same as a 17.

 

[giga]

Okay I was wrong. Let's talk turkey. What's an HD Intel 4000? It's a 6800 Ultra in terms of performance. That's what? 2004 capability? MBP retina 13" until what, yesterday was $1700. My original comment was on $1700.

Shidoshi said his car was $17000 right? Ten 13" Apple laptops cost as much as his car. That's fucked but apparently not to most people. Yeah I think I can honestly admit without any shame that ten apple laptops at that spec costing as much as his brand new car is completely out of control, giga!

I'm not following this discussion about cars. I'm saying that the HD 4000 is very common for thin and light notebooks made in 2012.

 

[Timedog]

Wow, awesome! Now it's ONLY 1700 US Dollars for a 13 inch laptop. Great deal!!!

 

[Fantasmo]

fyi I edit my posts. It's what I do. I don't ninja, I'm completing a thought. If you want to jump the gun before I finish my thought by all means go ahead.

 

[xxracerxx]

fyi I edit my posts. It's what I do. I don't ninja, I'm completing a thought. If you want to jump the gun before I finish my thought by all means go ahead.

Isn't it more jumping the gun by submitting your reply before you actually have thought the whole thing through?

 

[The Albatross]

Okay I was wrong. Let's talk turkey. What's an HD Intel 4000? It's a 6800 Ultra in terms of performance. That's what? 2004 capability? MBP retina 13" until what, yesterday was $1700. My original comment was on $1700.

Shidoshi said his car was $17000 right? Ten 13" Apple laptops cost as much as his car. That's fucked but apparently not to most people. Yeah I think I can honestly admit without any shame that ten apple laptops at that spec costing as much as his brand new car is completely out of control, giga!

I think that people are guffawing at you because you posted some piece of shit spec-monster computer that's $750 and then suggested that Apple should be competing with price on that. Then made excuses ("I'd carry a backpack and an extra battery") when looking at the 5+ pounds and 3 hour battery life. Even if I were only shopping PCs, I would avoid that computer like the plague.

Apple computers are higher priced than PCs, but to be honest, if you want a well speced good ultrabook with similar performance, you're going to be paying $1200+. If I were shopping for a PC laptop, I'd go for the Lenovo Carbon X1. The price on a similarly specced computer is $1350. Which isn't that far off from the price on the MacBook Pro.

For what it's worth, too, I don't have a Mac (well, I have a super old 17" MBP that I don't use), but I'm considering buying one. The 15" is just too far out of my price range. The 13" is getting to the right price for me, but I don't like what I've heard about jank on those models from so many outlets.

Isn't it more jumping the gun by submitting your reply before you actually have thought the whole thing through?

shhhh

 

[mr2xxx]

Intel HD 4000? Come on man.

Apparently you have no idea what last gen is. You have an issue with Intels on chip graphics, not the fact it is last gen. If you want a discrete card you can go 15" or higher.

 

[coldfoot]

A low voltage HD4000 like in the Air is enough to comfortably drive a 2560x1440 display, so the higher clocked version in the Pro should easily be able to drive a 2560x1600 display. I don't see what the fuss is all about.

 

[LyleLanley]

fyi I edit my posts. It's what I do. I don't ninja, I'm completing a thought. If you want to jump the gun before I finish my thought by all means go ahead.

Jump the gun by replying to a post? What the hell is even going on in this thread anymore?

 

[Deleted member 17706]

Apple computers are higher priced than PCs, but to be honest, if you want a well speced good ultrabook with similar performance, you're going to be paying $1200+. If I were shopping for a PC laptop, I'd go for the Lenovo Carbon X1. The price on a similarly specced computer is $1350. Which isn't that far off from the price on the MacBook Pro.

And yet you still wouldn't find a comparable track pad or an OS that actually takes advantage of such track pad.

Someday Microsoft and Windows OEMs will get their shit in order. Maybe...

Jump the gun by replying to a post? What the hell is even going on in this thread anymore?

Perhaps he thinks forums are like chat rooms?

 

[Fantasmo]

Isn't it more jumping the gun by submitting your reply before you actually have thought the whole thing through?

So what's the problem now racer? I can't say something, realize I've missed something and drop it in rather than clog up the thread with 99 posts per page? Or would you rather have me do that? Because I prefer to edit.


EDIT: I don't know you tell me Lyle? I responded to racer but you feel the need to ask the same question. Or should this have been another separate post? Or if you don't know what's going on, why did you ask? What is going on in this thread Lyle?

Edit EDIt edIT:

Perhaps he thinks forums are like chat rooms?

Perhaps!
Edit: Maybe!
Edit meltdown I can't control myself: Sure why not.

 

[Guess Who]

Ugh... Wife just bought a 15" retina to replace her 10 year old Toshiba last weekend. I figured there wouldn't be an update till the new processors were out this summer. At least the store gave her $300 off the cost.

You can return it within 14 days and get a new model.

 

[twofold]

A low voltage HD4000 like in the Air is enough to comfortably drive a 2560x1440 display, so the higher clocked version in the Pro should easily be able to drive a 2560x1600 display. I don't see what the fuss is all about.

For some reason, OSX seems to hitch when it's running in 'retina'/HiDPI mode. The web browser doesn't scroll as smoothly, animations appear jerky, and performance isn't as smooth as it should be. From what I understand, Apple has released some updates that reduce the issues, but they're still there, unfortunately. Everyone is hoping that Haswell will resolve this issue once and for all.

 

[Thug Waffle]

Because the specifications of Apple laptops are not in line with the cost of the laptop. Like not in the same hemisphere. What is going on here, why is someone else talking about cars?

Apple fanboys ignore that argument altogether. "I want a Porsche, etc., etc."

I truly like many of Apple's products, but Hell will freeze over the day their laptops aren't overpriced. The Mac OS isn't really the Godsend everyone makes it out to be either. Lots of people have way too much loyalty to brands these days to even concede the most minor arguments against them.

The Retina Macbooks are nice, though.

 

[numble]

I am still on a pretty reliable 2008 pre-unibody Core 2 Duo, waiting for Haswell.

 

[coldfoot]

For some reason, OSX seems to hitch when it's running in 'retina'/HiDPI mode. The web browser doesn't scroll as smoothly, animations appear jerky, and performance isn't as smooth as it should be. From what I understand, Apple has released some updates that reduce the issues, but they're still there, unfortunately. Everyone is hoping that Haswell will resolve this issue once and for all.

Sounds like a software issue more than a hardware issue to me. OS X is surprisingly unpolished at some things. Maybe 10.9 will be better.

 

[Stat Flow]

I will wait for the Haswell machines to finally jump into the Mac world. Don't know whether it'll be a 13" Air or 13" rMBP

 

[LyleLanley]

Apple fanboys ignore that argument altogether. "I want a Porsche, etc., etc."

I truly like many of Apple's products, but Hell will freeze over the day their laptops aren't overpriced. The Mac OS isn't really the Godsend everyone makes it out to be either. Lots of people have way too much loyalty to brands these days to even concede the most minor arguments against them.

The Retina Macbooks are nice, though.

Lots of us in here understand that Macs are overpriced when compared to similar products, it's just not as huge of a deal to us at it seems to be to others. How often does the average person buy a computer? To people like me paying a couple hundred more to get the computer I want isn't that big of a deal, it's not like I'm getting a new one every year.

 

[Fantasmo]

Apple fanboys ignore that argument altogether. "I want a Porsche, etc., etc."

I truly like many of Apple's products, but Hell will freeze over the day their laptops aren't overpriced. The Mac OS isn't really the Godsend everyone makes it out to be either. Lots of people have way too much loyalty to brands these days to even concede the most minor arguments against them.

The Retina Macbooks are nice, though.

I have an iPad2. It's nice tech but I got it free from work. I don't think it was worth the cost when it first came out but they're somewhat fairly priced with the retinas out now. Still high for current tech though.