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[matrix-cat]

The worst thing here is that it seems like, even with all the Challenge levels that are going to be part of the Season Pass, Arkham Knight is still going to end up with fewer plain old Combat/Predator Challenge levels than all the other Arkham games came with as standard.

Well, not the worst thing, but one of the more significant bad things in a vast sea of shittiness.

 

[Weltall Zero]

I'm sure others will say this, but the only way to stop this happening is to stop buying season passes. You are handing over money in advance for goods which may be terrible.

It's a bad practice, and industry will only stop screwing people over when they stop buying them.

Honestly, this is why I'm having such a hard time feeling any kind of sympathy for people burned on season passes. It's not only their own fault, they're making the situation worse for everyone.

This is also the reason I've entirely skipped Arkham Knight until such a time that I don't feel like I'm being robbed at a highway, a couple years from now.

 

[Falchion]

I'll get this when it's like $10 just to he able to play as Nightwing and Batgirl for a bit. I agree that it's been terrible value for the early adopters so far though.

 

[Spring-Loaded]

I still keep asking the same question of why do people buy a season pass when you could just wait, see/read about the content and see if it's worth it to buy the season pass or individual DLC's. I never once bought a season pass.

Can't speak for anyone else, but I was getting this game and Witcher 3 (and eventually MGSV, but only because of how broken AK was) with my graphics card. It was the only game I was actively looking forward to for the past year or so.

Since I was definitely going to play the game to completion as it's had the best/only decent Batman games in existence, I went ahead and bought the season pass for half-price from Nuuvem once Rocksteady/WB released (a general description of) what the pass was going to consist of. I knew the DLC would largely consist of piecemeal content like with past games, but I still would've been willing to put down $20~ if only to see how bad the DLC was and to give others ample warning — if it were decent or on the level of Origins' Cold, Cold Heart DLC, I would've been perfectly fine spending that much.

The reason why I won't be buying any more WB-published games: I couldn't predict that WB would allow its biggest title in years to release in such a terrible state on PC. I only based my expectations the past few PC Arkham releases which were fine outside of some DX11 problems. I'd heard of Mortal Kombat PC sucking, but never figured that'd have any bearing on Arkham Knight's release (not sure if it did).

In the end, I spent $23~ on Arkham Knight in total, and my only disappointment comes from the state of the PC release, along with the complete lack of DLC. I would've been fine spending $60 on the game itself, and I definitely would've been fine only spending what I did pay, if only the PC port wasn't a hackjob. Like I said, I had an idea of the content I was supposed to bet and based my purchase off of that — it's what I was willing to pay to see all the content the game had to offer. However, I had no idea WB would bungle the PC port on such a base level. Because of that, I regret that $23 purchase, if only because I could've gotten it for even cheaper and not given that much support to a developer/publisher combo I had some trust in.

 

[FireBeaver]

And that's why I'm waiting for the inevitable GOTY edition.

 

[Zaheer]

I loved Arkham City, and I was thinking about shelling out the $90 for the game and season pass. Definitely glad I decided to wait. The content so far doesn't even seem to be worth $20, and they've got three months worth of content left. I'm hoping the GOTYE will at least drop in February.

Any new info on the Season of Infamy?

 

[Arttemis]

And that's why I'm waiting for the inevitable GOTY edition.

Same.

Has there even been any DLC that expands the campaign in any way, like additional side quests?

 

[Dysun]

It's a pretty shameful effort all around.
Doubly so if you bought the game on PC

 

[Spring-Loaded]

Same.

Has there even been any DLC that expands the campaign in any way, like additional side quests?

Nope, it's all be self-contained, unless you count Cold, Cold, Heart, which takes place in a portion of the main map in Origins. That DLC was exactly what I was hoping for with this series — hopefully it's not the lone outlier.

 

[FHIZ]

Bought it just because I'm a huge Batman fan and just got a new job around the same time so I had money and felt like being dumb. Holy god, is it easily up there contending for worst season pass of all time. Batmobile shit and 15 minute story packs. Lord. My blind fandom of Batman isn't enough to justify this shit.

 

[SomTervo]

I'm glad I held off, even though I wanted to support WB and Rocksteady by buying it.

However, it might happen that the Season of Infamy makes up for all of it. I hope Rocksteady go a bit experimental with that.

IIRC Rocksteady are developing it, and what they were saying about it sounded insanely promising. Sounded like a bunch of smaller campaigns all taking place at once in the world, like better Side Quest campaigns added in.

A lot of potential.

I've sold the game already, though.

 

[kodecraft]

WB Montreal (Origins) has been doing most of the DLC, not Rocksteady.

Source? My understanding all DLC has been Rocksteady's baby. WB Montreal are working on Suicide Squad dude

 

[HYDE]

I'm sure others will say this, but the only way to stop this happening is to stop buying season passes. You are handing over money in advance for goods which may be terrible.

It's a bad practice, and industry will only stop screwing people over when they stop buying them.

Very well said, even if it's annoying for those who participate in this greedy/sad industry trend.

 

[VincentMatts]

Why would it? Not like they advertised the Season Pass with "100 hours of content" or anything.

Cause i expect it to have more than 10-20 minute missions? They created a open world and dont use it for any the dlc's, how fucking dense is that? Instead of just having batman go meet the character needed for the DLC within the open world, then just start using that character at that point for the dlc mission, they have you access them from the main fucking menu. This dlc is pure garbage and feels like nothing more than a cheap, badly put together money grab.

 

[Scientist Supreme!]

I used to agree with people to stop preordering and buying season pass but thats not the problem. The problem is buying without knowing exact what's in it or preordering without seeing the gameplay first. Those are the problem.

 

[ArtHands]

And that's why I'm waiting for the inevitable GOTY edition.

Same...there were too many red lights and warnings before release. Besides they always re-release a goty version with a cheaper price tag and lesser bugs, so i see no reason to buy it so early.

 

[Cleve]

I just hope this season pass being shit (like every other set of batman dlc other than cold cold heart) serves as a reminder that no one should purchase this stuff before all the content is at least broken down and listed.

$40 is a lot to ask for what they're offering, and despite what marketing claims I don't think anyone views the shitty skins as valuable content, particularly when they are released well after people are done with the game.

Live and learn, move on, and stop buying in to the hype.

 

[ZeroX03]

Source? My understanding all DLC has been Rocksteady's baby. WB Montreal are working on Suicide Squad dude

Isn't Montreal credited in the trailers for Quinn and Red Hood? We know for a fact that they did A Matter of Family. The Batmobile stuff I have no idea. Heck Montreal was credited in the main game, they did heaps of patch up work on Knight.

Also Suicide Squad has never been confirmed as WB Montreal's joint, although I'm sure it is.

 

[DesuNe]

This is the exact same problem with preordering anything. Don't preorder unless you know exactly what you're getting into.

You're basically giving the publishers license to give you anything after running away with your money.

More specifically with DLC, it's pretty rare that we even get a good DLC so that's any even bigger risk.

 

[gdt]

I loved the shit out of Arkham Knight.....but I bought and played it on PC (where I strangely had zero issues aside from texture pop sometimes) so I haven't gotten any of the DLC.

Not that it's all that substantial anyway. And I got it all for cheap cause it's PC.

 

[VincentMatts]

This is the exact same problem with preordering anything. Don't preorder unless you know exactly what you're getting into.

You're basically giving the publishers license to give you anything after running away with your money.

More specifically with DLC, it's pretty rare that we even get a good DLC so that's any even bigger risk.

No its not the same thing cause normally, when i pre-order a game like Halo5 for example to which i know what to expect with all the videos and coverage, i have a good idea what im getting into. Hell, even the main game of Arkam Knight i knew id get a good game since City and Asylum were both great. How can a company do a full game so well and DLC so bad? Maybe because the DLC wasnt made by them at all? If this is the case and the DLC isnt made by them, then we should fucking know about it.

If Montreal did do this DLC and i would have known about it, i never would have bought it to begin with.

 

[Doug Heffernan]

I for one am glad that the DLC is terrible and non essential, saves me $40.

 

[DannyDanger]

Blame it on yourself...

Ppl pre-purchase things these days literally for no reason. Just wait

 

[Garlador]

The thing that makes it worse is this is Rocksteady's "last" Batman game, and they've made some FANTASTIC Batman moments....

... But this is the "epilogue" to their development, this is the last impression.

And so far, it's pretty weak and disappointing.

 

[j-wood]

Remember how a ton of people were like "Don't buy this and support this, it's a terrible idea"

And then people were like "Nu Uh! It's batman!" and bought it anyways? No sympathy.

 

[Chû Totoro]

Don't buy Season Pass! Don't preorder!

I guess OP learned the lesson :/

 

[repeater]

Are there good season passes?

I can only think of the Hyrule Warriors Seasonn Pass. That one was absolute insane for what you got at that price.

It wasn't billed as a "Season pass", but Mario Kart 8's 2 DLC packs bundled for 11.99 was INCREDIBLE value for money. DLC done right.

EDIT: Unsurprisingly, some people beat me to this.

 

[Mr. Nice_Guy]

I assumed it would be bad before it came out, just like AC's was. I don't trust WB or Rocksteady with DLC, which is why in waiting for the GOTY edition for this game, even though I know the base game has tons of content and is a great experience overall.

I just couldn't bring myself to play into their greed this time around.

Edit: I'm sorry to hear it's THIS bad though.

 

[Morts]

They actually released a 10-20 minute long story DLC? What the hell do you even do in it?

 

[VincentMatts]

Remember how a ton of people were like "Don't buy this and support this, it's a terrible idea"

And then people were like "Nu Uh! It's batman!" and bought it anyways? No sympathy.

You know what though, it should be advertised (just as the main game is) who is developing the DLC. Its fucking sneaky as hell to sell season passes as "more content from Rocksteady" and having another dev do it.

They actually released a 10-20 minute long story DLC? What the hell do you even do in it?

its basically 2 rooms then a boss fight.

 

[Sayter]

I bought the 1990 Batmobile DLC. Then I found out I couldn't even use it in the main game. It can only be used in a certain mode of the game.

 

[Stone Ocean]

And that's why I'm waiting for the inevitable GOTY edition.

I don't even know if I care enough about the content to wait that long anymore, it all sounds as shitty as Harley's Revenge. It's more likely I'll just grab the base game for dirt cheap once the GOTY version gets announced than actually get that at full price.

 

[10k]

I can't even play the base game on my PC and I ordered the season pass. Robin is my favourite character so I'm hoping for a great dlc mission like Harley Quinn's revenge.

 

[VincentMatts]

I can't even play the base game on my PC and I ordered the season pass. Robin is my favourite character so I'm hoping for a great dlc mission like Harley Quinn's revenge.

Ive played all the DLC and it isnt great at all. Youre going to be disappointed. There was nothing good about any of whats being released so far.

 

[fertygo]

I don't understand, it open world game right.. can they at least pad it with fetch side mission for these extra content ala asscreed, not saying its would make it good but yeah... I mean they already made these extra playable character afterall.

 

[VincentMatts]

I don't understand, it open world game right.. can they at least pad it with fetch side mission for these extra content ala asscreed, not saying its would make it good but yeah... I mean they already made these extra playable character afterall.

Because its easier to outsource the work this way. Have them create standalone missions that you then just easily cram in the main menu. Lazy and it shows in the final product.

 

[Morts]

its basically 2 rooms then a boss fight.

Haha. Video games.

But yeah, stop buying stuff before you know what it is. Still, that sucks if they implied the DLC was developed by Rocksteady when it wasn't.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

anyone who bought this before knowing what they were getting deserved what they got.

 

[Omega]

Have you never played an Arkham game before?

Anyone who bought the season pass, let alone the season pass at $40 deserves to get fucked. The only DLC I haven't played was Cold, Cold Heart (apparently it's good, but I doubt it) but everything else is pure trash.

This was never going to be worth it.

 

[Pilgrimzero]

I'm a PC player and haven't even been allowed to touch the DLC yet. That I paid for in advance.

 

[Garlador]

I'm out. No more Season Passes for me.

And it wasn't this game that did it. It was actually another WB game, Mortal Kombat X.

All the DLC is not even covered by the Season Pass in that game, and when I contacted WB, they outright told me that it wasn't actually a Season Pass (even though it says it clearly on the pass I bought from Gamestop).

Never buy any Season Pass unless the game's content is finished and there's not GOTY edition.

 

[Savinowned]

This is the reason why you have to wait to buy DLC. This is especially true if there is no info on the content.

I even find myself struggling not to consider the Season Pass for Fallout 4 because I feel like I can trust Bethesda to release enough content to cover my $30, but it isn't true.

 

[E the Shaggy]

This latest Nightwing DLC is ten minutes long??

For fuck's sake

 

[witness]

Most disappointing game of the year for me, this year's Destiny for me if you will, and the most disappointing DLC. Glad I didn't buy the season pass. Really saddening that Rocksteady is putting their Batman franchise to bed like this. Hoping that the big remaining DLC can end this whole thing on the right note.

 

[Yaboosh]

Buying a season pass is an even worse idea than preordering a game. I cant bring myself to feel bad for those who feel burned by it.

 

[Lashley]

Never understood why people preorder season passes anyway

 

[Allnamestakenlol]

I, too, balked at the price, and now I'm glad I did. Yeesh.

 

[Garlador]

Buying a season pass is an even worse idea than preordering a game. I cant bring myself to feel bad for those who feel burned by it.

You can pre-order games AND pre-order season passes now.

It's absolutely ridiculous.

This is no reason, EVER, to pre-order a season pass.

 

[VincentMatts]

You can pre-order games AND pre-order season passes now.

It's absolutely ridiculous.

This is no reason, EVER, to pre-order a season pass.

I think it depends on the developer and the style of game. Often times, especially in shooters, if you dont buy the dlc you basically get cut out of half the community.

 

[Garlador]

I think it depends on the developer and the style of game. Often times, especially in shooters, if you dont buy the dlc you basically get cut out of half the community.

Understandable, but you don't need to PRE-ORDER that content. It's not going to be limited. They won't run out. It'll be there on launch day as well, and, if it turns out to be absolutely horrible and all your friends hate it, then you can safely skip it.

There's just no reason to slap down money for a map pack that's coming out 6 months in the future. Who even knows if your buddies will still be into the game 6 months later? ("Evolve" might be a good example of that...)