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Arms Review Thread
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Da-Kid
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Also the one saying it lacks complexity are probably playing the game like idiots. Trailers, Directs, etc emphasized the complexity of the game. More so than I even thought they would. And its not even factoring the strategic use of different arms with character abilities with combinations.
xxbrothawizxx63
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In my opinion, that should be irrelevant for current reviews. I don't even think they should mention it. They are reviewing the game as it will launch. Consumers shouldn't have to buy a promise. I think the model really just gives Nintendo the flexibility to launch their games whenever they feel like it (and have a constant marketing push) to pad the release schedule.
Imagine Nintendo adopted this model with Mario Odyssey. I can't believe anyone would be defending it then (Who am I kidding? People are defending the mobile app to this very day and swear it is somehow more convenient than traditional options LOL).
It's a frustrating model. Nintendo is aware the game is somewhat light on content. That's why the DLC is free (new IP has something to do with it too). With Mario Kart and Zelda, Nintendo was sure they had already developed content complete titles and felt confident charging for more. I'd rather be completely satisfied with a game up front and choose to invest further because of that satisfaction. The Splatoon model just makes me feel like we're always waiting for the game to be finished.
Zen_Arcade
Banned
My entire point is that them releasing something every week was irrelevent to the long term sales. There is zero proof of that, and considering that there are plenty of games with active online userbases who DON'T use this method, there is pretty much zero reason to assume it was a contributing factor. The game sold well because it was pretty much universally praised. Other online games sell just as well, if not more, even with them not holding content back from launch as free DLC. If Splatoon launched with all of it's DLC day one, the reception of Splatoon would have ben exactly the same, if not better.
More like Sports Champions - fun in short bursts.
I enjoyed the game a lot more in handheld mode than I did with motion controls and ended up really liking it, still reviews are about what I expected. A really good game but not quite the "nailed it on the 1st attempt" game that Splatoon was.
Will probably get it, but perhaps not day 1.
Will probably get it, but perhaps not day 1.
Yes, let's put more stock into the PR of Nintendo than the people who actually played the game.
Game will probably outsell Street Fighter and Pokken unless Pokken gets new content aswell ofcourse. But i doubt it they never added the characters from the arcade to the Wii U game.
Just like Splatoon the free content gives it legs i can seee it sell 2-3m copies or so in the long run.
Just like Splatoon the free content gives it legs i can seee it sell 2-3m copies or so in the long run.
OrbitalBeard
Member
Yes, let's put more stock into the PR of Nintendo than the people who actually played the game.
Well, most of us have played it.
It will outsell Street Fighter V and Tekken 7. It will probably outsell Pokken Tournament, unless the DX version really takes off (which is certainly possible).
Basically, if you aren't Smash Bros. or a NetherRealm game, ARMS is coming for ya'.
They probably just want enough content to justify $60. Seems reasonable enough. Not to mention that counting modes is a disingenuous way of quantifying said content.
Yes, let's put more stock into the PR of Nintendo than the people who actually played the game.
a lot of us have played it tho
SkeptiMism
Member
From Gamespot's review:
Not to say there isn't a learning curve as obviously there is, and there's plenty to learn after getting the hang of the basics, but just saying the barrier to entry really didn't seem that bad.
This is such a strange note to make in my opinion. I suck at fighters and never understood the meta game. But in Arms it was very quick to get the hang of it in a basic level. Of course, the test punches were against other noobs so that helped too, but it being 3d and there being quite a lot of range also were major factors in it I think, besides other things.
Not to say there isn't a learning curve as obviously there is, and there's plenty to learn after getting the hang of the basics, but just saying the barrier to entry really didn't seem that bad.
Yes, let's put more stock into the PR of Nintendo than the people who actually played the game.
thats why you are a idiot /s
And most of "us" also tell is complex enough? Didnt read that part of unison gaf
I played the test punch too and it simply not indepth enough to hook me like other fighting games.
Aruarian Reflection
Chauffeur de la gdlk
Scores are about what I was expecting after playing the test punch, and perhaps slightly higher than it deserves due to the Nintendo bump. I got all I needed from the game already thanks to the test punch. I do applaud Nintendo for the new IP though and hope to see more
SpacePirate Ridley
Member
As someone who played test punch and loved it this is my main complaint, not something that is going to deter me from buying the game, but something thats its a pity the game doesnt have.
It should have had and story mode, or characters stories implemented in arcade mode, becuase these characters really need it.
At least give them actual lines in their languages, becuase they mostly say gibberish. Mechanica saying in brazilian with subtitles (Ive read many people saying she is supposed to be speakign in brazillian portuguese) how much of a fan of ribbon girl is after beating her with different variations would have made a huge difference into the game's world building for example.
Master Mummy's bio says he wants to help his family, and Min Min help the family restaurant. Dont tell me that in a fucking website, show it to me in story mode cutscenes and funny quotes.
I want to see kid kobra using a fucking selfie stick if he likes them so much. Its not rocket science, overwatch does this with its characters, and didnt have a story mode either when released.
Heck splatoon did the right thing giving all the story and characterization power to Callie and marie, and they even added a small story mode.
Ours:
https://www.gamereactor.es/analisis/406313/Arms/
Gamereactor Spain - 7/10
Mate loved mechanics and motion controls, would've loved more variety in terms of content and arms, more than 1v1 doesn't work that good.
https://www.gamereactor.es/analisis/406313/Arms/
Gamereactor Spain - 7/10
Mate loved mechanics and motion controls, would've loved more variety in terms of content and arms, more than 1v1 doesn't work that good.
I expected it to be a little divisive when it was announced it would use the Splatoon model, with content slowly rolling out. Still, a lot of positive reviews. Hopefully the continuous support translates into sales. Not sure if I'll get it myself, but I did start to really warm up to it during the testpunch and I love the characters.
I sincerely doubt this game will have the longevity of Splatoon. It just seems to lack the depth. But i'm curious how the online community will be.
Game had what, 6 testpunches? That's more than enough to judge the game for its gameplayYes, let's put more stock into the PR of Nintendo than the people who actually played the game.
yeah I agree with this. doesn't mean it won't be fun though.
OrbitalBeard
Member
Seemed pretty complex to me.
And I was responding to a user who implied many of us hadn't played it and were simply going by PR. Well, that's not true.
Not as complex as some other fighting games doesn't automatically mean it lacks complexity.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Thought this would be a mid 70s game after the testpunch. Wasn't too far off. Hope people enjoy it but I could bored with it pretty quickly.
TheMoon
Member
you can always check game sizes on nintendo of europe's game page and/or the Japanese pages.
Yes, let's put more stock into the PR of Nintendo than the people who actually played the game.
We've all played this enough to not need to rely on PR and know this for ourselves.
Seemed pretty complex to me.
Nice job not quoting the rest, and good for you being the majority of gaf i guess *shrug*
There's multiple reviews, even ones with high praise for the game, that noted a steep learning curve. I actually agree that this is one of the most difficult games Nintendo has made in recent history. Even past the basic triangle, there's the movement system, charged punches, different arm trajectory and control methods, block parry, how a lot of character unique abilities are not that easy to capitalize on, etc. that's not obvious with plenty of mechanics being hidden in the help menu.
Hades Hotgun
Banned
Everyone on Earth could have played it and that still wouldn't have any relevance to the argument that Nintendo PR claiming it is complex means that people who don't agree are idiots.
thats now how you build a proper strawman tho! /s
OrbitalBeard
Member
The second half of your comment simply stated you didn't feel the game was as complex as some other fighters. Uh, great. It doesn't change anything I said.
Mind pointing me in the direction of UnisonGAF though? I'd like to check it out.
Well yeah, I wouldn't call them idiots.
2.2 GB
ofc it changes all, you pretend like the overwhelming majority of people who played agrees game is complex enough which is simply a fantasy fact
I agree, I'm shit at these type of games which is why I never bother with them, but ARMS has been accessible in a way where I've been able to not only jump in, but could actually see myself doing okay once I end up fighting skilled opponents. Haven't really felt this way since well, Smash lol
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Deleted member 752119
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My take as well. But to be fair fighting games in general, and especially ones lacking robust single player content, just aren't my cup of tea anymore.
Yes, agreed. I would say that rather than try to contradict reviews by pointing at game trailers.
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Mediking
Member
Free updates will keep the dedicated happy and entice those who are just curious to begin with.
But all in all... it all goes back to justifying whether a game is $60 or not.
OrbitalBeard
Member
I have done no such thing. I've simply stated that many of us have played the game and thus are able to form our own opinion of it. I visited the Testpunch thread regularly and saw the wide variance of thought.
I'd say the only fact I can gleam from this discussion is that you're a bit rustled. Calm down.
The proof is in the absurdly long media creates legs and social media trends. Splatoon was able to get a headline to remind people of the game every single week for the entire summer. That is what built the core userbase of the game.
The process also allows each piece of content to be drawn out and focused on. You would never see as much fascination with the Rapid Blaster as you would with the L-3 Nozzlenose, for one reason alone: the Nozzlenose came by itself, the Rapid Blaster was part of the game at launch and hidden away.
dreamlongdead
Member
I'm really interested to see how ARMS develops over time. This game is positioned as an evergreen, and it could get a holiday boost.
Definitely not a system seller on its own, but it seems like a solid game.
Definitely not a system seller on its own, but it seems like a solid game.