Blu_LED said:Exactly. I find it funny that Locoroco is $22.99 on PSN, but Locoroco 2 retails in stores for $19.99. It makes absolutely no sense.
Tiktaalik said:That's a bit of a contrived scenario don't you think? If a family is poor enough to not have internet how on earth is the kid getting a PSP and games? More and more this scenario just seems unbelievably unlikely.
Due to their limited use, memory sticks are still mildly expensive, but mass market media such as flash drives are getting unbelievably cheap, I bought an 8 gig one yesterday for C$20. If the PSP switched to using memory sticks much more heavily, they'd become much more mass market and drop in price even further.
nib95 said:Similarly, GT5P was on PSN for £24.99 for the longest time, whereas you could purchase it from numerous retail stores from release for just £19.99. £5 more for no physical copy, no nice art, case, booklet, HD video content on the disk etc...
And the other "crazie" thing about not being served by a human or helping out the retail channel.
[Nintex] said:The part of digital distribution that worries me the most is the fact that I might not be able to play those games in the future. I still play some NES games from time to time, that stuff is over 15 years old now. How do I know that the servers to download those games will still be online in 15 years?
When the system breaks or your account is damaged everything is gone. You could argue that if a CD/DVD/Cartridge breaks you have the same problem, but that would just be a single game or a system that could be easily replaced. Both are connected when it comes to DLC, so when your system breaks your games are gone too. Maybe not today or tommorow but in four to five years I doubt that these companies would bother to replace your downloads, let alone 15 years.
mrklaw said:One billion app store downloads. In ten months. On a userbase probably smaller than the current PSP installed base.
Suggests DD is a workable solution.
rainking187 said:And how many of those apps were priced at $30-$40 like PSP games?
rainking187 said:And how many of those apps were priced at $30-$40 like PSP games?
shattyboombatty said:That's quite an assumption you're making don't you think? Not having the internet is not the same as not being able to afford it. Plus what if a random poor kid gets a gift from someone not as poor?
Also, just because someone has a wireless network set up, doesn't mean they automatically want to give their kid full access so they can log in and get into the store. Even if they did, that's still an added process to go through to play the game you just bought. Same with getting onto a pc, and using the store interface there.
Yes, memory sticks are relatively cheap, but they're not free.
My point is that if you get a box that just has a coupon in it, it's a little misleading that you'll automatically be able to play when you get home and open it.
nib95 said:"crazie"
rainking187 said:And how many of those apps were priced at $30-$40 like PSP games?
Tiktaalik said:That situation is not really any different than if someone gave you an SNES game when you had a Genesis.
YagizY said:The biggest gap in reasoning for NeoGaf and the claim that the new PSP will have no UMD drive is that I think people are forgetting about the current PSP library. What happens to all the old games? Do you guys think that Sony will come out with the PSP-4000 and it only have the ability to play games on the PSN service? Does everyone wait while Sony attempts to put all the old PSP games onto PSN (you'll be waiting a long time if their rate of PS1 games on PSN is any indication)?
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seriously.panda21 said:well this thread is certainly bringing out the crazies
Sho_Nuff82 said:Notice what's missing?Hint: Control + F "PSP"
Sony doesn't give a fuck about the current PSP library, because PSP users (outside of Japan) aren't buying games. That's why the re-launch is corresponding to a re-launch of sorts of Western 3rd party support.
YagizY said:If you think that DD is going to push games into that list you are crazy.
I rip my CDs and listen to MP3s like everyone else, but I have complete control of my MP3s. I can put them on any number of devices or computers or web services, I can burn them to disc for archiving or whatever I want. How could I do any of those things if I purchase a DD version of Patapon 2? And what if in 30 years I want to show my grandkids how awesome the game was but the PSN has turned into the next Sega Channel?Tobor said:So you listen to music on cds? And refuse to use Netflix or Redbox? Or do you just go to the movies, since that would technically be the most humans employed per viewing?
YagizY said:If you think that DD is going to push games into that list you are crazy.
kenta said:I rip my CDs and listen to MP3s like everyone else, but I have complete control of my MP3s. I can put them on any number of devices or computers or web services, I can burn them to disc for archiving or whatever I want. How could I do any of those things if I purchase a DD version of Patapon 2? And what if in 30 years I want to show my grandkids how awesome the game was but the PSN has turned into the next Sega Channel?
YagizY said:If you think that DD is going to push games into that list you are crazy.
So that's it? I win? Thought you guys would have put up more of a fight considering how the thread's goingTobor said:Your grand kids don't want to see your shitty old games, don't worry about it.
you can, just back it up on your comp/burn it on a disk/upload it to what ever site you want. DD is more secure then a disc, I'm sure you scratching or losing your disc is much more likely then sony shutting down psnkenta said:I rip my CDs and listen to MP3s like everyone else, but I have complete control of my MP3s. I can put them on any number of devices or computers or web services, I can burn them to disc for archiving or whatever I want. How could I do any of those things if I purchase a DD version of Patapon 2? And what if in 30 years I want to show my grandkids how awesome the game was but the PSN has turned into the next Sega Channel?
Tobor said:So you listen to music on cds? And refuse to use Netflix or Redbox? Or do you just go to the movies, since that would technically be the most humans employed per viewing?
kenta said:So that's it? I win? Thought you guys would have put up more of a fight considering how the thread's going
Guled said:I'm guessing that next gen, the psp2 will be DD only, and the PS4,720,DS2 will have DD of games day one as retail.
So, in order to combat piracy, Sony is going to have me digitally download an ISO which I can then distribute freely? You're saying they're just saving pirates time by ripping the ISO for them?Guled said:you can, just back it up on your comp/burn it on a disk/upload it to what ever site you want. DD is more secure then a disc, I'm sure you scratching or losing your disc is much more likely then sony shutting down psn
you can only play them on the system your account is activated on. In the second situation your sol, but if sony were to shut down psn, why not just get a bigger harddrive for your ps3 and download your games on it before it goes down. Its not like they take up a ton of space. A digital copy of a game is much more secure then a physical copy. I'm sure there is a much greater chance of your disc breaking then PSN becoming the new Sega channelkenta said:So, in order to combat piracy, Sony is going to have me digitally download an ISO which I can then distribute freely? You're saying they're just saving pirates time by ripping the ISO for them?
But let's say you're right, if Sony has me just download a simple ISO onto my PSP and I can get it off by just plugging my PSP into my PC, then that works for the PSP method. But what about the DD games I bought on my PS3? Same situation, how do I have control of them? In another 5 years I will have needed to delete some older PSN games from my PS3 to make room for new ones, but in 30 years if I'm feeling nostalgic and want to play Wipeout HD and PSN is the new Sega Channel, what do I do?
kenta said:but in 30 years if I'm feeling nostalgic and want to play Wipeout HD and PSN is the new Sega Channel, what do I do?
nib95 said:I'd always want hard copies of my games. Not only is it good for the re-sale market, but sharing, lending, gifts wise, convienience outside of personal use and all the rest. It's just easier and imo safer. Gives companies less chances to screw us around. It also gives me more control over my own content.
Tobor said:But yeah, basically that's it. We are entering an age of universal information and access.
To your first response: Again, that means nothing if the PSN is non-existent in 30 years. Can't activate my account on the PSP, can't play the game even if I have it backed upGuled said:you can only play them on the system your account is activated on. In the secound situation your sol, but if sony were to shut down psn, why not just get a bigger harddrive for your ps3 and download your games on it before it goes down. Its not like they take up a ton of space
You're talking about hardware, that debate is nothing new to people who own Atari 2600s and NESes and heck, even original PlayStations. Being inconvenienced into buying a working system off of eBay is one thing, being 100% categorically unable to play games with no alternate course of action because a service shut down is something differentpanda21 said:how about playing 360 games in 30 years time? think microsoft will fix your RROD then?
Tiktaalik said:That situation is not really any different than if someone gave you an SNES game when you had a Genesis.
Kids who don't have credit cards?Ether_Snake said:Wait why would you buy the voucher?
1) if you keep your old games, surly you still keep around your own consoleskenta said:To your first response: Again, that means nothing if the PSN is non-existent in 30 years. Can't activate my account on the PSP, can't play the game even if I have it backed up
To your second response: You're saying the burden is now on ME to buy a bigger hard drive at comparatively exponential price and archive this stuff on my own? As opposed to letting me purchase a physical copy of the game in the first place?
You're talking about hardware, that debate is nothing new to people who own Atari 2600s and NESes and heck, even original PlayStations. Being inconvenienced into buying a working system off of eBay is one thing, being 100% categorically unable to play games with no alternate course of action because a service shut down is something different
1. You're assuming things. I just found a stash of old NES games in my attic a couple months ago but there was no sign of the actual NES. My mom must have done something with it over the years, or heck maybe I lent it to a friend when I was well into the SNES era and never got it back, who knows. There are millions of variables that could cause someone to keep games around without a console, or keep consoles around without the games.Guled said:1) if you keep your old games, surly you still keep around your own consoles
2) a harddrive is not that much, it will be even less expensive in the future if this were to happen. Plus keeping physical copies have a cost (cd cleaner, shelves)
if you have the console you will still be able to play the games 30 years from now.
Musashi Wins! said:This is a given, it's going to happen sooner rather than later with the big 3.
What bothers me is this:
1) I don't think we're going to save any money. I see no evidence that now or in the long run we're going to see significantly reduced prices because the "middleman" has been cut out.
2) I like being able to resell items I don't like or am not using any longer. That's gone. That changes ownership significantly, and it is like renting.
3) I don't trust the big 3 (as opposed to the Steam situation where the Windows architecture stays similar) to keep my purchases available or playable to me in the future. The 360 has spotty to crap back library compatibility, the PS3 has taken a dump on arguably the best back catalog of all time, Nintendo just looks for ways to sell me the same games again and again.
4) Outside of Microsoft, I see no real mandate to offer us demos before making digital purchases.
I'm not trying to be debbie downer either, I like the convenience, I hate GameStop, etc. But it's going to change a lot of gaming ownership issues for the worse.
Update: Sony has just confirmed the story with a statement to Ars Technica. The statement reads:
"We're considering a digital only format for the Patapon 2 release as a one time test case as we continue to explore consumer preferences for digital content," Patrick Seybold, Senior Director of Corporate Communications at SCEA said. "The downloadable game will be available on May 5th at both retail and via the PlayStation Store. We remain focused on providing superior games and entertainment experiences in both the UMD and digital formats and are working closely with our partners to deliver the best PSP line up in our history."
I guess it's time to raise a stink large enough for them to recant and issue a UMD versionMirageDwarf said:
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